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Karash Amerius
Sutoka
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:50:00 -
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You will see a gradual price drop in T2 large rigs mainly due to the fact that demand will lessen from capital pilots. It just takes a bit of time.
Karash Amerius
Operative, Sutoka |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
171
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:44:00 -
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Darco Aldent wrote:Rigs are a permanet investment in ur ship, so to buy a 250 million t2 rigor for a 150m raven is very expensive . So i still ask that prices should be reduce by about 66% so to about 100 million so u can fit them profitable on t1 hulls . thank you
it wasn't phoenix boosting these prices dude. You don't run flare/rigor on phoenix, its a waste of time. Phoenix pilots learn to live with the fact they can't shoot moving targets. Rigs won't fix this...only a ship or cap missile redo will. They know this. They either resign themselves to structure bash detail or x-train to other racial that can at the minimum hit another cap (phoenix has issues hitting other caps).
this price would be due to CNR and now cruise golem. Both of which unless flown badly will make back the ROI on the rig buy decently quick. You need to stop picking fotm rigs if you want cheaper. Here's how invention and building works. If I make fotm rigs I know someone will pay for them. A CNR pilot is looking to make billions from his ride, he will pay more upfront costs to do that. If I make oddball unloved rigs I sell cheaper, they don't exactly fly off the shelf.
Morale of the story....splurge on CNR and your rigs won't be more than the ship. Or pay to pimp your vanilla t1. this isn't a bs only issue. I have run t2 rigged rifters in the past. The rig (s) cost > cost of the hull. I wanted my edge, had the isk to spare....wtf lets do it.
Want your edge on a vanilla t1 frame gonna pay for it the take away.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
1476
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:51:00 -
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you mean flavor of the years
Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
171
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:57:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:you mean flavor of the years
very true lol |
Kasutra
Tailor Company
Hashashin Cartel
205
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:58:00 -
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WTF are people yabbering about wanting CCP to lower prices. CCP doesn't lower prices. You lower prices of things by wanting things less.
Quote:Not just large but T2 rigs dishonor the T2 principle.
T2 equals afforadablity as a reward for extra training. This currently does not apply to rigs.
These are slightly better and insanely more expensive in some cases. Just not worth it in the current form.
Call them faction rigs or something that justifies its cost.
You're confusing the broad benefits of T2 and meta 4 here.
T2 grants greater benefits than T1. This applies to rigs.
T2 is harder to make (read: more expensive) than T1. This applies to rigs.
T2 requires more fitting than T1. This applies to rigs.
T2 requires more skills to use than T1. This applies to rigs.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
10025
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:58:00 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:Not just large but T2 rigs dishonor the T2 principle.
T2 equals afforadablity as a reward for extra training. This currently does not apply to rigs.
These are slightly better and insanely more expensive in some cases. Just not worth it in the current form.
Call them faction rigs or something that justifies its cost.
So for now just dont use T2 rigs kids, hmmkay?!
T2 modules are typically 5-10x the price of T1.
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan
58
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:30:00 -
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I only ever fit T2 large rigs on pirate battleships. |
Battle BV Master
Executor BV
Sovereign Infinity
16
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Battle BV Master wrote:Not just large but T2 rigs dishonor the T2 principle.
T2 equals afforadablity as a reward for extra training. This currently does not apply to rigs.
These are slightly better and insanely more expensive in some cases. Just not worth it in the current form.
Call them faction rigs or something that justifies its cost.
So for now just dont use T2 rigs kids, hmmkay?! T2 modules are typically 5-10x the price of T1.
Really? 3 random examples.
Strip Miner I vs a T2 is only x2 (2,5mil to 5mil)
Tractor beams? T1 is 1,5mil T2 is 2,7 less then x2
Neutron Blaster Cannon I is 1,6mil a T2 is 4.4mil not even x3.
What it comes down to? If the T1 module is already pretty expensive then the increase doesnt reach the x5 let alone x10 mark.
And well most T1 rigs have a high base value, so they should not get the x5 or let alone x10 punishment since other T2 versions of relatively expensive T1 items dont seem to get this either.
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Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:40:00 -
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All i wanted was to rig my t1 battleship with t2 rigs for about the price of the hull , it seemed to me like a fair price . All i can hope is that T2 salvage will be cheaper in future with the new exploration changes . To clarify i tought large t2 rigs are expensive because they were used on capital ships and thats why the high number of t2 salvage involved. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1492
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Posted - 2013.06.12 09:11:00 -
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o.
Thanatoses for sale | is this what a Nyx sitter looks like? |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
407
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:47:00 -
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OP, Perhaps you donGÇÖt know the cost involved in building the T2 variants so here is a simple list for a CCC rig.
T1
Melted Capacitor Console ...qty 23 - 9k isk
Burned Logic Circuit........... qty 86 - 48k isk
Tripped Power Circuit......... qty 75 - 150k isk
.....................................................15.5 mil
T2
R.A.M GÇô Energy tech .....qty 1 - 57k isk
Logic Circuit ................qty 17 - 295k isk
Power Circuit ................qty 15 - 4mil isk
Capacitor Console ..........qty 5 - 11 mil isk
................................................120 mil
None of these cost are set by CCP, they are all market derived by supply and demand, the most important thing to note is that the salvage from missions and ratting are the only components that go into these (No mining involved) so if the cost are to high it is probably because the mission/ratters are not salvaging the components thus creating a supply problem and at the same time creating a demand problem.
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
260
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:19:00 -
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Quote:None of these cost are set by CCP, they are all market derived by supply and demand, the most important thing to note is that the salvage from missions and ratting are the only components that go into these (No mining involved) so if the cost are to high it is probably because the mission/ratters are not salvaging the components thus creating a supply problem and at the same time creating a demand problem.
Inaccurate, CCP does indeed set the cost of Rigs by game mechanics % drop chance of this or that Salvage component. T2 salvage amount was reduced a while back during the kinda nerf to Magno sites. The majority of T2 Large Rigs were around 50-80 mil for YEARS from at least ~2006-2009. I was shocked when I came back to Eve this Feb after a couple year hiatus to find certain (but not all) T2 Rigs at costs of ~280 mil. This is certainly due to a sharp increase in Cap ships over the years since so many players can fly them now but that isn't the sole reason.
However, cost is still irrelevant because if you want a better ship, you will find a way to make the ISK to Rig it with T2.
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bloodknight2
Talledega Knights
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
78
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Posted - 2013.06.13 17:50:00 -
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I don't see the problem with large T2 rigs price. Unless you are fliying a cap, the extra % in armor given by a trimark T2 VS trimark T1 will most likely not save your ass. If you can afford 750m in rigs for a T1 hull...go ahead. If you are flying a bhaalgorn with T1 rigs, yes, you are doing it bad =(
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
818
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:10:00 -
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Effect One wrote:I only ever fit T2 large rigs on pirate battleships.
T3's for specific uses personally and only, otherwise T1 rigs are good enough and cheapo +3 implants are cheaper, add a combat booster and that's it you have the bang for the buck.
When it has to blow up it will blow up, rather have 2 pirate ships T1 rigged than 1pirate ship T2 rigged, but it's a personal choice.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
818
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:14:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:OP, Perhaps you donGÇÖt know the cost involved in building the T2 variants so here is a simple list for a CCC rig.
T1
Melted Capacitor Console ...qty 23 - 9k isk
Burned Logic Circuit........... qty 86 - 48k isk
Tripped Power Circuit......... qty 75 - 150k isk
.....................................................15.5 mil
T2
R.A.M GÇô Energy tech .....qty 1 - 57k isk
Logic Circuit ................qty 17 - 295k isk
Power Circuit ................qty 15 - 4mil isk
Capacitor Console ..........qty 5 - 11 mil isk
................................................120 mil
None of these cost are set by CCP, they are all market derived by supply and demand, the most important thing to note is that the salvage from missions and ratting are the only components that go into these (No mining involved) so if the cost are to high it is probably because the mission/ratters are not salvaging the components thus creating a supply problem and at the same time creating a demand problem.
Players can also fit a salvager on their ship, get T2 salvage components with exploration, buy cheaper T2 rig BPC's and build themselves, it's not free, it will just cost isk to the guys not selling theirs at 100% benefit.
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Darco Aldent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.17 06:35:00 -
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Ty again for listen to my post, i can see now the t2 large rigs are droping in price . From280M when i first wrote to 200M now. Ty |
Airto TLA
Puppeteers of Doom
46
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Posted - 2013.06.18 15:29:00 -
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The price drop may have something to do with new exploration, since they seem to be dropping 0/0 ML/PL blueprint copies and that lowers the need for materials. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2013.06.18 16:21:00 -
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T2 rigs are fine as is. Just like everything in Eve if you want something "maxed" it's going to cost you. It's called diminishing returns. |
Mother Drone
Transcendent Breed
10
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:46:00 -
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Airto TLA wrote:The price drop may have something to do with new exploration, since they seem to be dropping 0/0 ML/PL blueprint copies and that lowers the need for materials.
The Me/PE 0/0 bpcs dropped already before Odyssey.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
177
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:35:00 -
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its summer time, the US younger players are on vacation. Lots of free time and not as greedy as the adults are lol.
Summer is usually a good time to find some deals here and there. When fall hits you get the back to school market change and back to the adutls trying to squeeze out every isk they can. |
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