To be fair, it seems that CCP has simply decided that drones are not a primary weapon system for any race now. Every race has one primary and one secondary weapon system in The New EvE. And the primary weapon for Gallente is now hybrids, not drones. Maybe this is because they think every race's tactics should be centered on using some sort of direct shooty thing. Or maybe it's because they don't have any idea what to do with drones to make them actually work.

What's the optimal range on your Garde II's?

Bet they are not even close to the 73.7km optimal of my dual fed navy omni linked Garde's

Wouldn't your Garde IIs be 73.7km in the 'geddon as well with dual blah blahs?

Wouldn't your Garde IIs be 73.7km in the 'geddon as well with dual blah blahs?

Amarr Battleship skill bonus per level:
10% bonus to Drone damage and Hit Points
10% bonus to Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range

Gallente Battleship skill bonus per level:
10% bonus to Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
10% bonus to Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed

No

This argument should be about unbonused cruise launchers vs. extra range, tracking and unbonused turrets.

I can get 150km range on T2 Wardens on my non faction fitted Domi, yes no guns but do not need them...I use Sentry Rigs also.

The amount of sentry damage is very extreme.

The good about the new domi - it's a nice drone sniper with impressive range, especially coupled with a micro jump drive. It has great survivability even, I'd imagine, for really new pilots. It doesn't need much concentration to fly adequately and it doesn't cost a huge amount. The fittings are pretty cheap as well and a little bit of blinging out can help quite a bit. It doesn't use ammunition.

The bad - domis are slow, sentry damage is underwhelming, mission completion times are lackluster, sentries are vulnerable to rat target switching and accidentally leaving them in missions. Unless you dual prop (ugh) if you mess up your MJD then you'll be slow boating to the gate/mission completion can.

By its nature as a moderate dps sniper it tends to leave long wreck trails so the missions are often slower to loot/salvage.

Essentially there may be edge cases where a new domi is an acceptable mission boat but the vast majority of the time you'd be better off with something else. It's a shame because I've been itching to try a sentry rattlesnake for a while and could never quite bring myself to splurge the isk. Now I've seen what a sentry dominix, with added sentry range and tracking, flies like I wont be bothering.

Perhaps if there were Augmented Sentries (that weren't terrible like the existing augmented drones) and faction drone damage amplifiers then it might put out enough dps to be worthwhile but as it is I don't think that it does.

I did eft a ridiculous 1800dps blaster/garde navy domi that might be usable in, um, Damsel maybe and there are probably small gang PvP uses for a neut sentry domi with a MJD but those are pretty niche. It's also possible that there's a decent shield rail/sentry domi but I lost interest playing around trying to find one that wasn't bad.

sentries are vulnerable to rat target switching and accidentally leaving them in missions.

It's a shame because I've been itching to try a sentry rattlesnake for a while and could never quite bring myself to splurge the isk. Now I've seen what a sentry dominix, with added sentry range and tracking, flies like I wont be bothering.

1. Do you even have T2 sentry's?
2. See point 1
3. You must be new if leaving drones is a habit
4. Mine moves at a more than reasonable pace with an AB fitted

1. Such as? were talking actual **** hot damage projection here not stupid EFT numbers.
2. Again domi wins in damage projection, thanks to it's range and tracking bonus

Because blasters are good for mission running.

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I was going to upload a video until i realised who of sane mind wants to watch a pve vid, Then you went and compared it to a Tengu aswell.

@ all lvl 5 a Tengu with a T2 fit will see around 640 dps at 70 ish km IF it can apply it's damage (Scourge Fury)
470 dps @ 94km with T1 ammo, again IF it can apply it's damage.
Then you have the fact it is pigeon holed into using kinetic missiles.
Then is the fact that you have to juggle TP's IF you fit them.

An all lvl 5 T2 fit domi 3 damage mods and 2 omni links will insta pop frigates out to 70km with Garde II's
Garde alone will net you 750 dps and only struggle to hit frigs at extremely short range.

Warden II's will net you 560 dps out to max lock range (they get 171km optimal)
Curator is 610dps out to 120km
Bouncer is 650 dps out to 135km

^^those are drone only dps figures

Then we can factor in 5x w/e turret you feel like fitting to the ship i use 1 drone link.

So please come again at how the tengu is superior.

Tengu is faster and more agile, they are the only positives it has v's the domi i can think of.

EDIT

Most cruisers are gone in 2 volleys (again drones only) Did your 1st missile volley even arrive yet?

Yes I have T2 sentries. I know you're desperate to be right but... you're really grasping at straws here. Leaving drones isn't a habit but... sometimes things happen. You disconnect when your drones are too far to auto-dock and they're dead by the time you get back into the mission. It's a weakness of drone boats. I've also been getting intermittent graphics glitches with the drone window which have prevented me from seeing drone health bars in space.

So you're going to make comparisons using your awful internet and computer as a factor ?

Just run mission times against a standard HML tengu (far from the fastest mission boat out there) and the new dominix gets crushed in pretty much every mission.

If you're clearing missions (note clearing not blitzing) faster with a tengu I have serious concerns over your piloting skills.

What are your good bounty ticks at with the sentry domi in level 4 missions? I'm not sure I've seen much above 10mil/tick with the domi, the HML tengu has gotten over 20mil/tick (e.g. World's collide, Dread Pirate) although 17mill is probably more usual in those missions.

If you're measuring your mission profitability using bounty ticks, I hate to be the first to inform you but: you're doing it wrong.

How long does it take you to do a full clear of Angel Extravaganza, including bonus room with the sentry Dominix?

Less than a HML tengu that's for sure.

The good about the new domi - it's a nice drone sniper with impressive range, especially coupled with a micro jump drive. It has great survivability even, I'd imagine, for really new pilots. It doesn't need much concentration to fly adequately and it doesn't cost a huge amount. The fittings are pretty cheap as well and a little bit of blinging out can help quite a bit. It doesn't use ammunition.

The bad - domis are slow, sentry damage is underwhelming, mission completion times are lackluster, sentries are vulnerable to rat target switching and accidentally leaving them in missions. Unless you dual prop (ugh) if you mess up your MJD then you'll be slow boating to the gate/mission completion can.

By its nature as a moderate dps sniper it tends to leave long wreck trails so the missions are often slower to loot/salvage.

The point of using metrics like 'bounty ticks' and 'time for full clear' is that it gives a baseline for comparison especially when you're talking about how a ship applies its damage in missions. If one ship gets a 20 mill isk bounty tick in mission a and another gets 12 in the same mission then it's pretty clear that the first ship gets to apply its dps more effectively. If we go into profitability per mission then we have to account for LP conversion and it's a huge can of worms. If you want to post 'times for fastest blitz of mission x' then that's fine but you'll have to describe how you're blitzing - using the smuggler gate in World's Collide for example?

So post some mission times, then we can compare data and draw useful conclusions.

A shame the new bonuses weren't applied to the Ishtar

Name me any other weapon that is able to put 820dps instantly out to 93.7km with 0.11 tracking. There isn't one.

I use a quad Fed Navy ODL fit with 5 dda's in the lows, a MAR and an EANM. It's an absolutely superb Haven/Sanctum runner against Bloods. A pair of them can warp in at 100 and finish a Haven in 16 minutes.

A shame the new bonuses weren't applied to the Ishtar, which is the real sentry platform. But I'm not complaining.

I'm sure there'll be a fleet doctrine up sometime. Someone's got to be ballsy or crazy enough to make one. With those Gardes foaming at the mouth already, you've got a ton of slots to fill...