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Yamato Damashii	Posted - 2005.11.12 08:19:00 - [1] So it is Nabt Issue Raven vs. Gurista Rattlesnake Which is the better ship overall? Pro's and con's of each of these versions of standard Raven? Thanks in advance, Yamato Damashii
Meridius	Posted - 2005.11.12 08:25:00 - [2] I'd put my money on a Grizzly Bear tbh. Maybe Godzilla but high signature radius 4tl. ________________________________________________________
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.12 08:33:00 - [3] Edited by: SengH on 12/11/2005 08:33:27 Nah mines on the loch ness monster. Or was it the yeti... i forgot... Edit: On topic post... id go with the rattlesnake cus of the extra mids and highs.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.11.12 08:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Meridius I'd put my money on a Grizzly Bear tbh. Maybe Godzilla but high signature radius 4tl. Mothra is a lot better than Godzilla, she can fly and like do sonic screams that knock you on your ass and stuff. ------ If Captain James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock embracing one another, in a bath tube, nude, in space, is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Yamatodamashii	Posted - 2005.11.12 08:40:00 - [5] lol at the replys :)
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2005.11.12 09:36:00 - [6] Rattlesnake ******* owns that sissy navy crap. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.11.12 09:53:00 - [7] CNR is better, by the way, wts CNR. ------ If Captain James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock embracing one another, in a bath tube, nude, in space, is wrong, I don't want to be right.
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.11.12 10:02:00 - [8] IIRC, CNR has a bit more shield HP and an extra launcher slot rattlesnake has a 6th low slot and a lot more shield/armor HP so IMO, if you want a tank, go for the snake, if you want a gank, go for the CNR snake would be my choice for PvE (wouldn't fly something worth that much into PvP)
Corvus Crax	Posted - 2005.11.12 12:12:00 - [9] Originally by: HippoKing IIRC, CNR has a bit more shield HP and an extra launcher slot rattlesnake has a 6th low slot and a lot more shield/armor HP so IMO, if you want a tank, go for the snake, if you want a gank, go for the CNR snake would be my choice for PvE (wouldn't fly something worth that much into PvP) I couldn't agree more with this. and you sig is about as good as they get too ;)
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.11.12 12:13:00 - [10] 'Snake just for simple badassery. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Khristopher	Posted - 2005.11.12 13:22:00 - [11] The name's Pliskin
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.11.12 13:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Corvus Crax Originally by: HippoKing IIRC, CNR has a bit more shield HP and an extra launcher slot rattlesnake has a 6th low slot and a lot more shield/armor HP so IMO, if you want a tank, go for the snake, if you want a gank, go for the CNR snake would be my choice for PvE (wouldn't fly something worth that much into PvP) I couldn't agree more with this. and you sig is about as good as they get too ;) thanks
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.11.12 14:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Khristopher The name's Pliskin /punches in the World Code. -Wrayeth
Officer Dibble	Posted - 2005.11.12 14:56:00 - [14] Edited by: Officer Dibble on 12/11/2005 14:56:58 Easy one as I flown both .... in PvP Close range ..... fairly even as the Rattlesnake has the extra low and its "sometimes a pain" to fit the extra siege on the CNR ... Med - Far .......... easy one ...... Rattlesnake the 50% missile velocity and the 6 x Tech 2 Damage Mods makes a whole lot of pain ...... Plus the 10,000 shields base (after skills) on the Rattlesnake is ... oh so nice.
Krulla	Posted - 2005.11.12 15:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Khristopher The name's Pliskin Call me snake... Respect the Domi. Or else.
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2005.11.12 17:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Officer Dibble Edited by: Officer Dibble on 12/11/2005 14:56:58 Easy one as I flown both .... in PvP Close range ..... fairly even as the Rattlesnake has the extra low and its "sometimes a pain" to fit the extra siege on the CNR ... Med - Far .......... easy one ...... Rattlesnake the 50% missile velocity and the 6 x Tech 2 Damage Mods makes a whole lot of pain ...... Plus the 10,000 shields base (after skills) on the Rattlesnake is ... oh so nice. 6 tech 2 BCU and Tech 2 Siege? Kind of tank can you fit with that? --------------------------------------------- Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!! [TheKiller8 - Uh what? - Flash Video]
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.11.12 18:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Originally by: Officer Dibble Edited by: Officer Dibble on 12/11/2005 14:56:58 Easy one as I flown both .... in PvP Close range ..... fairly even as the Rattlesnake has the extra low and its "sometimes a pain" to fit the extra siege on the CNR ... Med - Far .......... easy one ...... Rattlesnake the 50% missile velocity and the 6 x Tech 2 Damage Mods makes a whole lot of pain ...... Plus the 10,000 shields base (after skills) on the Rattlesnake is ... oh so nice. 6 tech 2 BCU and Tech 2 Siege? Kind of tank can you fit with that? I'm guessing the object is to kill them before they splatter you. It's actually pretty easy if they are a tank ship. Harry Voyager
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.11.12 18:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Officer Dibble 6 x Tech 2 Damage Mods makes a whole lot of pain ...... Where do you get your T2 BCUs? --- Ortu Konsinni Diplomatic delegate French Force Alliance -- l'alliance des francophones Web site : http://destabiliser.com/ffa/
Megadon	Posted - 2005.11.12 18:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Ortu Konsinni Originally by: Officer Dibble 6 x Tech 2 Damage Mods makes a whole lot of pain ...... Where do you get your T2 BCUs? They're all over escrow...
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.11.12 18:38:00 - [20] Really? I must've missed the announcement in patch notes. Has it been long? Or is it something that shouldn't be out but is anyway? --- Ortu Konsinni Diplomatic delegate French Force Alliance -- l'alliance des francophones Web site : http://destabiliser.com/ffa/
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.11.12 18:42:00 - [21] This may be biased because i own rattlesnake, although it is gathering dust in Jita as nobody wants to buy that shiny piece of equipment with the ship itself, but my isk is on rattlesnake: Reasons: Hi-end siege launchers use ****load of cpu(i think estamel's siege needs 108 before skills(t1 80) ), dread gurista siege 88. So that low slot comes handy to fit cpu(18.6%). Med slots are for tanking, lows dmg mods(officer ofc.), and 2 officer pdu, hi slots 6 uber launchers, 2x heavy nosfs(yes, those launchers use little PG). Try fitting 7 of those uber launchers on CN raven(CN has a bit more base cpu, but still far too little), but you will miserably fail i think :), or maybe use 2 lows for cpu, and with 3 lows... you wont either have too much dmg mods or too much cap. Also rattlesnake has a bit more shield. If you would like to use cruise launchers, then CN might be as good as rattlesnake, but then again i don't see a reason to use cruise launcher, if i have ~6s rof on sieges. Also i don't have slightest reason to use ship for pvp, so no need for cruises.... and since i don't use ship for pvp, i have no use at all, because for carebear whoring HACs are far superior to battleships(well vindicator is nice with mwd as you can pick up loot fast, but... HAC is still cheaper and as good)... Be back in a year or so :/
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.11.12 19:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Ortu Konsinni Really? I must've missed the announcement in patch notes. Has it been long? Or is it something that shouldn't be out but is anyway? there has never been an announcement in the patch notes but a while ago oveur said "we will start dropping these" in the dev blog the first BPO dropped a little after a month after that
slapp	Posted - 2005.11.12 19:05:00 - [23] Originally by: LUKEC ... I thought you had already quit ------------------------------------------------------ CAREBEAR, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in [b]CCP[/b
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.11.12 19:22:00 - [24] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ortu Konsinni Really? I must've missed the announcement in patch notes. Has it been long? Or is it something that shouldn't be out but is anyway? there has never been an announcement in the patch notes but a while ago oveur said "we will start dropping these" in the dev blog the first BPO dropped a little after a month after that Oh, okay, cool, good news, thanks. Will go check up on prices. --- Ortu Konsinni Diplomatic delegate French Force Alliance -- l'alliance des francophones Web site : http://destabiliser.com/ffa/
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.11.12 20:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 12/11/2005 20:08:36 Doesn't Rattlesnake get one bonus to two weapon systems each? CNR gets two bonuses, both for missiles; that alone lets it outclass the Rattler. Plus the Rattlesnake has a lazy texture job. CN Raven looks so hardcore in black and yellow. Reminds me of Lego Blacktron.
Sphalerite	Posted - 2005.11.12 20:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 12/11/2005 20:08:36 Doesn't Rattlesnake get one bonus to two weapon systems each? CNR gets two bonuses, both for missiles; that alone lets it outclass the Rattler. Plus the Rattlesnake has a lazy texture job. CN Raven looks so hardcore in black and yellow. Reminds me of Lego Blacktron. Rattlesnake gets 2 missile bonuses and a worthless 10% range to hybrids bonus. "Some rise by sin, and some by virtue fall"
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.11.12 20:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 12/11/2005 20:08:36 Doesn't Rattlesnake get one bonus to two weapon systems each? CNR gets two bonuses, both for missiles; that alone lets it outclass the Rattler. Actually the Rattlesnake gets 50% missile velocity as its "special ability" (regardless of your skills), which equates to what the Navy Raven gets with one of its bonuses if you have Cald BS 5. Then the Rattlesnake gets the same ROF bonus as the CNR from your Cald BS skill, plus the 10% optimal to large hybrids from your Gall BS skill, as the other poster said above. --- Ortu Konsinni Diplomatic delegate French Force Alliance -- l'alliance des francophones Web site : http://destabiliser.com/ffa/
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.11.12 20:44:00 - [28] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 12/11/2005 20:46:34 Damn, I guess it is better. Guess I'll have to take solace in my CNR's awesome 27 base sensor strength.
Kiehla	Posted - 2005.11.12 22:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 12/11/2005 20:08:36 Doesn't Rattlesnake get one bonus to two weapon systems each? CNR gets two bonuses, both for missiles; that alone lets it outclass the Rattler. Plus the Rattlesnake has a lazy texture job. CN Raven looks so hardcore in black and yellow. Reminds me of Lego Blacktron. lol, Lego Blacktron 4tw. :-)
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.11.12 23:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Damn, I guess it is better. Guess I'll have to take solace in my CNR's awesome 27 base sensor strength. 25 on the rattlesnake

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