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Thorleifer
Yeti Cave
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:23:00 -
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So with the changes to ships and new ships what ship is the king of Alpha damage?
What ship is the DPS king over the duration?
I have allways liked typhoon and cane. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:50:00 -
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Macharial.
Vindicator. |
Battle BV Master
Executor BV
Sovereign Infinity
15
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:53:00 -
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Nado
Vindi |
Thorleifer
Yeti Cave
9
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Posted - 2013.06.11 00:30:00 -
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Why do you both like Vindicator?
Can't say I have seen a whole lot of fits for them aside from what battle clinic may have but I don't put a whole lot of stock in those tbh |
Alara IonStorm
5073
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Posted - 2013.06.11 00:40:00 -
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Thorleifer wrote:Why do you both like Vindicator?
I am not currently inside either of their heads but I would imagine...
8 Guns
37.5% Dmg and Tracking Bonus
90% Webs
Faction HP
It has something to do with that. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1138
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Posted - 2013.06.11 00:54:00 -
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Vindicator makes EFT warriors wet...
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2808
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Posted - 2013.06.11 02:59:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Vindicator makes EFT warriors wet...
I can attest to this fact. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.11 03:17:00 -
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Thorleifer wrote:Why do you both like Vindicator?
You asked for the best 2 ships in the alpha and DPS categories.
Those ships are machariel for alpha, vindicator for DPS. (i assumed youre not counting capitals.) |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno
Malefic Motives
229
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Posted - 2013.06.11 03:27:00 -
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But it's really expensive and will go down like any other ship if you bring enough support, unless you're really going for a bling fit a regular Mega or a Hyperion would be more reasonable, I think in terms of T1 subcap ships the Hyperion has the most damage potential and the Nado has the most alpha. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1141
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:21:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:But it's really expensive and will go down like any other ship if you bring enough support, unless you're really going for a bling fit a regular Mega or a Hyperion would be more reasonable, I think in terms of T1 subcap ships the Hyperion has the most damage potential and the Nado has the most alpha.
Nado has rof bonus, not dmg. Mach get 3/4 of a gun more in alpha, and a lot more than that in dps. Hype was newly nerfed in dps, and doesn't come close to vindi to begin with.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:44:00 -
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Navy domi does almost as much DPS as a vindicator if you want something cheap.
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1285
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:55:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Navy domi does almost as much DPS as a vindicator if you want something cheap.
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps with zero context is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name.
Depending on how we break ties I'd think that's the Moa? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Initiative
3738
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Posted - 2013.06.11 04:59:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that the Moros still wins in sustained damage, though the Naglfar probably wins in alpha.
-Liang
Ed: The Ragnarok might actually take the alpha king title? I honestly haven't looked.
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Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno
Malefic Motives
229
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Posted - 2013.06.11 05:05:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:But it's really expensive and will go down like any other ship if you bring enough support, unless you're really going for a bling fit a regular Mega or a Hyperion would be more reasonable, I think in terms of T1 subcap ships the Hyperion has the most damage potential and the Nado has the most alpha. Nado has rof bonus, not dmg. Mach get 3/4 of a gun more in alpha, and a lot more than that in dps. Hype was newly nerfed in dps, and doesn't come close to vindi to begin with.
Yeah I said T1 ships, Nado is tied with Mael for highest alpha, . The Mach/Vindi are definitely the kings if you're including all subcap ships. For dps, the Megathron comes pretty close to the Hyperion and can beat it, but in a reasonable PvP fit the Hyperion would come out on top for T1 ships. Navy Domi is the most dps for faction ships not including pirate factions.
but as Jack said, asking for what does the most alpha/dps without any context isn't very useful information. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1986
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Posted - 2013.06.11 05:37:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:sabre906 wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:But it's really expensive and will go down like any other ship if you bring enough support, unless you're really going for a bling fit a regular Mega or a Hyperion would be more reasonable, I think in terms of T1 subcap ships the Hyperion has the most damage potential and the Nado has the most alpha. Nado has rof bonus, not dmg. Mach get 3/4 of a gun more in alpha, and a lot more than that in dps. Hype was newly nerfed in dps, and doesn't come close to vindi to begin with. Yeah I said T1 ships, Nado is tied with Mael for highest alpha, . The Mach/Vindi are definitely the kings if you're including all subcap ships. For dps, the Megathron comes pretty close to the Hyperion and can beat it, but in a reasonable PvP fit the Hyperion would come out on top for T1 ships. Navy Domi is the most dps for faction ships not including pirate factions. but as Jack said, asking for what does the most alpha/dps without any context isn't very useful information. Liang Nuren wrote:I'm pretty sure that the Moros still wins in sustained damage, though the Naglfar probably wins in alpha.
-Liang
Ed: The Ragnarok might actually take the alpha king title? I honestly haven't looked. Yeah Ragnarok has the most alpha, with meta guns and 3 RF gyros it has 135k alpha vs Nags 109k alpha.
actually, leviathan gets 220k volley odd and phoenix gets 152k with 4 CN BCSs and a T2 damage rig. suck it minmatar. |
Edah Puss
State War Academy
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.06.11 05:50:00 -
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caldari are best dari |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno
Malefic Motives
230
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:15:00 -
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Holy..Didn't expect that the Levi would be the highest alpha, nice to know. 220k alpha is pretty ridiculous, sad that capital torps suck though. |
Thorleifer
Yeti Cave
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:25:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Navy domi does almost as much DPS as a vindicator if you want something cheap.
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps with zero context is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name.
Well I was just curious as I know there is alot more people out there who have messed with fits post patch than I have, so I was curious as to what people have experinced for DPS fits. I have to admit I have not seen a Vindicator fit that was all that so I would be curious to see how they are fitting it for it to be king.
I mean I have a Domi fit that just nos's the crap out of people while drones chew them up but that is not the best fir for Domi either |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:46:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Navy domi does almost as much DPS as a vindicator if you want something cheap.
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps with zero context is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name.
Torp Fleet Typhoon does a little bit more than the Navy Domi. Now if you're talking about practical fits and applied damage, all bets are off. |
Cydelle Abraham
Aurora Armaments
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2013.06.12 09:25:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps with zero context is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name.
Abaddon? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
10048
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Posted - 2013.06.12 09:41:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I'm pretty sure that the Moros still wins in sustained damage, though the Naglfar probably wins in alpha.
-Liang
Ed: The Ragnarok might actually take the alpha king title? I honestly haven't looked.
Well the 3M hp Doomsday does bump the numbers up a bit.
1 Kings 12:11
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Alara IonStorm
5079
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Posted - 2013.06.12 09:42:00 -
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Cydelle Abraham wrote:Jack Miton wrote:
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps with zero context is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name.
Abaddon?
Oracle
Bhaalgorn
Anathema
Drake
Drake Navy Issue
Avatar
Thanatos
Blackbird
Arazu
Reaper
Stabber
Phantasm
Dragoon
Charon
Hoarder
Crane
Guardian
Guardian Vexor
Slasher
Claw
Zealot
Looks like a tie breaker is in order. |
Cydelle Abraham
Aurora Armaments
Initiative Associates
0
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:03:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Cydelle Abraham wrote:Jack Miton wrote:
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps with zero context is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name.
Abaddon? Oracle Bhaalgorn Anathema Drake Drake Navy Issue Avatar Thanatos Blackbird Arazu Reaper Stabber Phantasm Dragoon Charon Hoarder Crane Guardian Guardian Vexor Slasher Claw Zealot Looks like a tie breaker is in order.
Bhaalgorn
Stabber
Blackbird
Oracle
Abaddon
Dragoon
Drake
Drake Navy Issue
Zealot
Thanatos
Crane
Phantasm
Reaper
Hoearder
Guardian
Guardian Vexor
Charon
Slasher
Avatar
Anathema
Claw
Arazu
Not exactly useful, but still possible ;) |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
Amarr 7th Fleet
276
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Posted - 2013.06.12 11:57:00 -
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I'd say you should use either the letter preceeding the 3rd or the first letter in the ship name, but whatever method you use for a tie breaker good job on turning a crappy thread into some useful discussion. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
166
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:29:00 -
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I would say that the fifth letter and then the seventh are more important as tie-breakers, but the question remains whether blank or null characters go at the begining or the end of the list...
And even then we have to define yet another criteria to decide between the Moa and the Claw...
Perhaps ascending numbers of suitcases? |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
109
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:35:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Cydelle Abraham wrote:Jack Miton wrote:
PS: if you keep asking silly questions, youre going to get silly answers. asking which ship does most alpha/dps with zero context is about as useful as asking which ship comes first alphabetically by the 3rd letter in its name.
Abaddon? Oracle Bhaalgorn Anathema Drake Drake Navy Issue Avatar Thanatos Blackbird Arazu Reaper Stabber Phantasm Dragoon Charon Hoarder Crane Guardian Guardian Vexor Slasher Claw Zealot Looks like a tie breaker is in order.
Bhaalgorn goes top for sure, third and fourth letter is an A. Wait, it's the Moa. It has no further letters.
Also, highest sustained damage lies with the Velator. Amongst ALL the rookie ships. |
Stetson Eagle
ROC Academy
The ROC
42
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Posted - 2013.06.12 14:21:00 -
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Someone mentioned citadel torpedo alpha. It might be meaningless because of travel time, but did they not buff the sieged citadel application by a fair margin? |
Haulie Berry
1036
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:34:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:But it's really expensive and will go down like any other ship if you bring enough support, unless you're really going for a bling fit a regular Mega or a Hyperion would be more reasonable, I think in terms of T1 subcap ships the Hyperion has the most damage potential and the Nado has the most alpha.
The question was not, "What are reasonably priced alpha and sustained DPS ships," though, was it? |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:06:00 -
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Stetson Eagle wrote:Someone mentioned citadel torpedo alpha. It might be meaningless because of travel time, but did they not buff the sieged citadel application by a fair margin?
They removed the penalty to explosion velocity from the siege module, yes. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
749
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:54:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Stetson Eagle wrote:Someone mentioned citadel torpedo alpha. It might be meaningless because of travel time, but did they not buff the sieged citadel application by a fair margin? They removed the penalty to explosion velocity from the siege module, yes.
Plus when GMP was changed to affect unguided missiles, it also started affecting citadel missiles, taking torp radius from 2000 m to 1500 m, despite Fozzie saying explicitly that GMP would not affect citadel missiles.  |
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