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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.22 20:56:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:I could say it until I'm blue in the face. I doubt it. Mostly because you lack a clear referent, but also because whatever it is, you haven't even been able to say it once so far.
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Garwill
Sudden-Impact Beyond-Repair
5
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Garwill wrote:However Eve, as ridiculous as it may sound when talking about an internet spaceship game, has always been great because of it's realistic game rules. [GǪ] I am sure my opinion isn't popular, but it's real. So you, too, want CONCORD removed?
No I never said anything about removing Concord - why would I? I know you do a massive number of posts but don't blend people's posts together. Anyway every city has a police department so Concord makes sense.
I know how you like to twist people's words about so I will say the one unrealistic thing I see about them is their quick response time. I would have no problem with them taking 20 minutes to track you down and get you. Or arresting you in station the next day, or on occasion you even getting away free as a bird as this can on occasion happen with any legal authority.
Regardless though, a criminal expecting a payout from their insurance company while committing a crime, ridiculous.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
7
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:03:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I will paraphrase a comment by Tippia from the past few days. Eve's economy is drvien by the destruction of ships and others stuffs, therefore we should double the payout of ships used in ganking   Also, the obligatory. Here we go again Arena=10 Times more Destruction.
+1 for arenas
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:06:00 -
[64] - Quote
It would make more sense for CCP to change the name to what it really is. Its a mineral refund service, not insurance (as its based on the mineral cost, not the ship cost).
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
821
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:13:00 -
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Garwill wrote:No I never said anything about removing Concord - why would I? Because you wanted to use realism as an argument for how insurance is handled when you start to tangle with the law enforcement. The same realism would lead us to making CONCORD almost two orders of magnitude slower to react, making them very easy to destroy, making them ridiculously easy to evade, and making them not destroy ships as a default action to begin with.
In effect, you're asking for CONCORD retribution to be removed because the nasty ebil ganker will not be around when they arrive.
Quote:Regardless though, a criminal expecting a payout from their insurance company while committing a crime, ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as having an insta-teleporting, insta-gibbing, omniscient, unkillable, unavoidable police force. What's good for the goose is good for the gander GÇö remove one, and the other should go as well.
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Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
35
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:I could say it until I'm blue in the face. I doubt it. Mostly because you lack a clear referent, but also because whatever it is, you haven't even been able to say it once so far.
At least ur not ignoring my previous posts...
So where is that link on disincentivised?"
Bonus points if u just simply ask, "why?" Over and over. |

Garwill
Sudden-Impact Beyond-Repair
5
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Garwill wrote:No I never said anything about removing Concord - why would I? Because you wanted to use realism as an argument for how insurance is handled when you start to tangle with the law enforcement. The same realism would lead us to making CONCORD almost two orders of magnitude slower to react, making them very easy to destroy, making them ridiculously easy to evade, and making them not destroy ships as a default action to begin with. In effect, you're asking for CONCORD retribution to be removed because the nasty ebil ganker will not be around when they arrive. Quote:Regardless though, a criminal expecting a payout from their insurance company while committing a crime, ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as having an insta-teleporting, insta-gibbing, omniscient, unkillable, unavoidable police force. What's good for the goose is good for the gander GÇö remove one, and the other should go as well.
You sure are good at twisting things about, and also ignoring parts of posts as if they weren't there. No I did not ask for Concord retribution to be removed, and in fact I addressed your complaint about Concord's speed and power in my prior post.
Most police forces I have heard of are NOT "easy to destroy and ridiculously easy to evade". I addressed their speed before you even brought it up so won't repeat it. Go back and read it again if you forgot it already.
You are correct in one thing, a police force usually does not try to destroy your vehicle. They incarcerate you instead. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
822
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:33:00 -
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Garwill wrote:No I did not ask for Concord retribution to be removed Again, that is the result of asking for realism in this area. Whether you ask for it explicitly or not, it comes as a direct consequence of what you are asking for.
Quote:Most police forces I have heard of are NOT "easy to destroy and ridiculously easy to evade". Sure they are. You run away before they get there. Or you stick around and shoot them in the face GÇö they're humans and react pretty poorly to this, as humans in general do. So they should be about as easy to destroy as the target you just ganked.
Quote:You are correct in one thing, a police force usually does not try to destroy your vehicle. They incarcerate you instead. GǪif they know who you are and where you are. This is not always the case.
Igualmentedos wrote:So where is that link on disincentivised? How can you not have a link you provided yourself? I've heard about senile, but thisGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
35
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Garwill wrote:No I did not ask for Concord retribution to be removed Again, that is the result of asking for realism in this area. Whether you ask for it explicitly or not, it comes as a direct consequence of what you are asking for. Quote:Most police forces I have heard of are NOT "easy to destroy and ridiculously easy to evade". Sure they are. You run away before they get there. Or you stick around and shoot them in the face GÇö they're humans and react pretty poorly to this, as humans in general do. So they should be about as easy to destroy as the target you just ganked. Quote:You are correct in one thing, a police force usually does not try to destroy your vehicle. They incarcerate you instead. GǪif they know who you are and where you are. This is not always the case. Igualmentedos wrote:So where is that link on disincentivised? How can you not have a link you provided yourself? I've heard about senile, but thisGǪ I provided the link? Senile comes to mind but thats too easy. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
822
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:44:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:I provided the link? Yes. Posts 37 and 45. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Garwill
Sudden-Impact Beyond-Repair
5
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:I provided the link? Yes. Posts 37 and 45.
Wow you are nuts. The way you post is making more sense... you don't really take time to comprehend or read thoroughly.
He posted no links in the posts you claim he did.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
822
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:01:00 -
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Garwill wrote:He posted no links in the posts you claim he did. In those posts, he mentioned two particular sites that will help him get what he wants. He already knows of the sites and how to use them. He already has the links he needs GÇö in fact, he was the one who provided them.
He's just being a little troll by going GÇ£oh, I looked and didn't find anythingGÇ¥, as proven by the fact that if he had looked, he would have found it using the sites he himself mentionedGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
21
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
He's just being a little troll
pot calling kettle black? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:05:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:pot calling kettle black? Nope.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
7
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:06:00 -
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Garwill wrote:Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:I provided the link? Yes. Posts 37 and 45. Wow you are nuts. The way you post is making more sense... you don't really take time to comprehend or read thoroughly. He posted no links in the posts you claim he did.
*sigh*
Protip: don't feed the troll! If you ignore it, hopefully it'll go away. |

Garwill
Sudden-Impact Beyond-Repair
5
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Garwill wrote:He posted no links in the posts you claim he did. In those posts, he mentioned two particular sites that will help him get what he wants. He already knows of the sites and how to use them. He already has the links he needs GÇö in fact, he was the one who provided them. He's just being a little troll by going GÇ£oh, I looked and didn't find anythingGÇ¥, as proven by the fact that if he had looked, he would have found it using the sites he himself mentionedGǪ
Might be better if you used the proper words then, especially if trying to make someone look stupid for whatever need you have to do that.
He mentioned site names in his posts, you kept talking about his posting links. A site name and an internet link are two different things. 
Regardless I have posted my opinions on the insurance subject. Not really interested in your games. |

Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
35
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:18:00 -
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Fille Balle wrote:Garwill wrote:Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:I provided the link? Yes. Posts 37 and 45. Wow you are nuts. The way you post is making more sense... you don't really take time to comprehend or read thoroughly. He posted no links in the posts you claim he did. *sigh* Protip: don't feed the troll! If you ignore it, hopefully it'll go away.
This. I still can't find those links I provided.  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:20:00 -
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Garwill wrote:He mentioned site names in his posts, you kept talking about his posting links. No. I said he provided the links.
It might be better if you used the proper word, especially if you're trying to make someone look stupid for whatever need you have to do that.
Quote:Not really interested in your games. Not really a game GÇö just pointing out the conclusion of your line of reasoning. Put another way: why is realism desirable in one case and not the other?
Igualmentedos wrote:I still can't find those links I provided.  Posts 37 and 45. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
35
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Garwill wrote:He mentioned site names in his posts, you kept talking about his posting links. No. I said he provided the links. It might be better if you used the proper word, especially if you're trying to make someone look stupid for whatever need you have to do that. Quote:Not really interested in your games. Not really a game GÇö just pointing out the conclusion of your line of reasoning. Put another way: why is realism desirable in one case and not the other? Igualmentedos wrote:I still can't find those links I provided.  Posts 37 and 45.
Relentless trolling? You're better than that. There are no links in those posts. I think thats the third time now? Don't worry, feeding you is enjoyable. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.22 22:57:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:Relentless trolling? Indeed you are. Is it because you ran out of invented claims, or because you were called on to back them up or couldn't?
Quote:There are no links in those posts. Try reading them. You mention two sites: google and lmgtfy. You lied and said you had used them (or at least google, but since the two have the same results, it makes no difference). Try doing it for real this time, using the sites you proposed. Suddenly trying to act as if you are unable to read and/or understand your own posts only further highlights the ridiculous lies you invented previously and how easily they were exposed for having no basis in reality.
Now, do you want to keep trolling and generally posting off topic nonsense, or do you want to present some kind of argument as to why insurance should be removed from criminal acts? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

DireNecessity
The M.P.I. Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
1
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:01:00 -
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Fine -- I'll google it:
dis-+in-+cen-+tiv-+ize
verbGÇâ/-îdisin-êsentiv-½z/ disincentivized, past participle;GÇâdisincentivized, past tense;GÇâdisincentivizes, 3rd person singular present;GÇâdisincentivizing, present participle
1.Discourage (a person or course of action) by removing an incentive - would such legislation disincentivize marriage?
Anyone care to return to internet space ships?
DireNecessity |

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
129
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:05:00 -
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I think this would be okay tbh. |

MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
8
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tarkoauc wrote:Insurance should not pay out if CONCORD kills your ship because of your criminal actions. Insurance should not pay if you self-destruct your ship. Why?
How about if I take out insurance on drones and hybrid ammo then?
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Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
35
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Relentless trolling? Indeed you are. Is it because you ran out of invented claims, or because you were called on to back them up or couldn't? Quote:There are no links in those posts. Try reading them. You mention two sites: google and lmgtfy. You lied and said you had used them (or at least google, but since the two have the same results, it makes no difference). Try doing it for real this time, using the sites you proposed. Suddenly trying to act as if you are unable to read and/or understand your own posts only further highlights the ridiculous lies you invented previously and how easily they were exposed for having no basis in reality. Now, do you want to keep trolling and generally posting off topic nonsense, or do you want to present some kind of argument as to why insurance should be removed from criminal acts?
I didn't lie. Those aren't posted links either, "Guys, I like the Chive." Did I just post a link to the Chive?
You read my arguments and came back with the almighty, "why?" time and time again. I'm not into arguing with a troll for an extended amount of time.
Btw disincentivised doesn't bring up hits in Google. Although disincentivized does. Even then it's slang. That honestly doesn't matter the conversation ended a long time ago and we have effectively trolled each other until boredom set in. If you want we can talk in private. I'm done derailing this thread. |

Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:12:00 -
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ok, so you are going to hear this from an RPer so listin closely:
Compairing Eve to the real world is doomed to fail. what you see as common sense may not make good game sense.
ok now that that is out of the way.
high sec is already as safe as anything short of not undocking should be. stop playing the game afk, and you will live.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
8
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Adunh Slavy]You risk not finding a suitable target. You risk finding an intelligent target (so your gank failes)GǪ granted, that risk is very tiny because gank victims are stupid as hell, but stillGǪ. You risk angering the Randum Number God and get a T2 Suitcase out of the whole deal. Assuming you do it legally, you either risk missing the juicy targets while you grind your sec status back up, or you risk being shot down while travelling to the target.
Respectfully tippia.....bullshit. It is a zero risk proposition. And your constant arguments to the contrary are ridiculous.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:16:00 -
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 At least I have tonight's entertainment.
But really, why should not-really-insurance in a game set in space where it is acceptable to randomly shoot someone in a low sec system and then move into a high sec system and no one (including the cops) cares be modeled after RL insurance?
Because the only possible connection to RL insurance I can find is that they pay you (sometimes).
They don't revoke insurance for self destructing (ie damaging your own stuff). They don't revoke insurance for illegal acts. They don't revoke insurance for flying in a warzone. They don't increase rates proportional to the number of times you have required their service. It is not required to purchase in order to receive payout. They don't charge you before you can pay (ie, bills). They don't ever run out of money.
They are quite unlike any RL insurance company I have ever heard of.
However, if you want all of those things added too (along with a contract that has so many terms and limitations and voidings that it makes your brain hurt) then sure, remove "insurance" for criminal acts.
Otherwise, live with it. |

DireNecessity
The M.P.I. Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
1
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:27:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Tippia wrote:Tarkoauc wrote:Insurance should not pay out if CONCORD kills your ship because of your criminal actions. Insurance should not pay if you self-destruct your ship. Why? How about if I take out insurance on drones and hybrid ammo then?
Clever and perceptive comment.
Drones: As pilots don't usually plan to lose these I suppose Pend could develop a viable policy offering to the business benefit of all.
Ammo: Don't see how Pend could develop an appealing policy for pilots. As all ammo will be expended the policy cost would have to include 100% payout plus overhead and that would cost the pilot more than simply replacing their ammo on the open market.
My point, of course, is it's really a question of what breaks immersion. What breaks immersion often has more to do with the position of the individual player rather than the game itself. Ammo insurance breaks immersion for me. Drone insurance and payouts to criminals does not.
DireNecessity
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
826
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:27:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Respectfully tippia.....bullshit. It is a zero risk proposition. And your constant arguments to the contrary are ridiculous. Like I said, it's zero risk if you ignore the risks.
But please, explain why the risk of failure is zero. Why the risk of wasting time is zero. Why the risk of a horrid drop is zero. Why the risk of losing your ship is zero. Why the risk of not even getting to your target is zero (which, granted, only happens for career gankers).
And when you're done with that, explain why any of that is a problem and how it is solved by removing insurance.
Corina Jarr wrote:Yes it does. It also suggests the correct spelling. Nah. It suggests the incorrect (aka U.S.) spellingGǪ 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
826
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Posted - 2011.10.22 23:28:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:I didn't lie. Sure you did. You claimed that google didn't find the word you didn't understand, which it most certainly does. Alternatively, you didn't find it, because you didn't use google at all. Either way, you lied.
Quote:Those aren't posted links either GǪand as mentioned, I said you provided the links, which you did.
Quote:You read my arguments and came back with the almighty, "why?" time and time again. Yes, because each of your answers led to a new Gǣwhy?Gǥ You just stopped answering when we were getting somewhere becauseGǪ who knows? Maybe you didn't like where it was going? Maybe you didn't know? Either way, you went for the GǣtrollingGǥ card (and started to do so) instead of actually trying to present the underlying reasoning why insurance should be removed.
Quote:Btw disincentivised doesn't bring up hits in Google. Yes it does. You can stop lying now.
Quote:Even then it's slang. No, it's not. It's not even a perfectly cromulent word. Just accept that you got caught being lazy, suck it up, and move on.
And if you're done derailing, how about answering those questions?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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