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Majindoom Shi
We the Gankers
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:18:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:Why the hostile attitude all the sudden?
You do know the majority of people actually play in Caldari space right?
Who told you i was looking for an OP Drake btw? cause i certainly didn't ask for that anywhere.
I do know CCP was talking about the Navy Drake basically being what the old Drake used to be, which was basically comparable to a Tengu ( which will not be the Tengu we know now in future either ), in terms of DPS and tank.
Why do you presume this negative intention on my part? All i want to really know, is what warrants the iskies for this thing? - because you don't listen. If you want people to have grown up conversations with you, act like one. If you act like a 5 year old who didn't get his candy you'll be treated like one - no, they don't. Just most mission runners do - you did, by asking why a ship with no direct dps increase or shield resists is so expensive. That means that you expected this new and expensive ship to have more dps and tank. From the second you heard about that Navy Drake you had dreams, wet ones, about the shlurp dps and super uber tank. I know you did, we all do because it's so obvious from this whole thread - drake never was comparable to a tengu - because you whine like a carebear - as I explained before, it's really good in *some* situations, mostly pvp ones, and for those people it's possibly a good investment some one's been killed by too many drakes. You butt hurt bro? You seem really upset. The point Is valid. For the price it should be better. Is the navy tempest not better than the tempest? Is the navy raven not better than the raven? The navy drake should be a lot more powerful. And yes ccp did say it was supposed to be as good as the old drake. Scrub get made when they fix the navy drake ill bring the blob to you
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan
57
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Posted - 2013.06.11 12:51:00 -
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Given that HAMs typically have range issues and trouble hitting small targets, it would appear that CCP designed the DNI to be a HAM spewing machine that had an almost built in damage bonus from 8 launcher hardpoints (a 33% damage bonus to all damage types rather than a 50% bonus to kinetic only).
I don't really see what there is to complain about...
If you can't afford to fly it or don't see the point, then don't. If you can afford to fly it and see the point, then do. |
Liam Mirren
621
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:05:00 -
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Majindoom Shi wrote:some one's been killed by too many drakes. You butt hurt bro? You seem really upset. The point Is valid. For the price it should be better. Is the navy tempest not better than the tempest? Is the navy raven not better than the raven? The navy drake should be a lot more powerful. And yes ccp did say it was supposed to be as good as the old drake. Scrub get made when they fix the navy drake ill bring the blob to you
Which part of "the navy drake IS better, just not in the way carebears clowns (like you it seems) want/expect it to be" don't you get?
Also, tired old memes aren't helping your case. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
147
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:15:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Adriana Nolen wrote:It's a fine boat. With 0 pimp fittings I get: 691 DPS on rage Hams shooting out to 25km. Buffer fit cap stable with AB 473m/s 112k omni damage EHP 161 passive resist BEFORE boosts.
with Tengu style of pimp: 750 DPS 520 m/s 154k omni EHP 245 passive {183k EHP 300 passive with tengu boost}
If you get only 750 dps out of your HAM Tengu you're doing it wrong,
Obviously he was talking about a pimped out Navy Drake. Hence the "Tengu style".
I wish I were a cat. That way, I could kill things and people would applaud - instead of screaming out "OH GOD NO, NOT MY DAUGHTER!" |
Mike Whiite
Cupid Stunts.
200
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:44:00 -
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It is better than the normal drake.
a lot better, it just you can't see it in EFT, that is sometimes a bit hard on people.
The Navy Drake is "fast" rainbow damage will do a lot (kinetic resistance is quite well on shield tankers and bonused on Gallente ships)
the abillity to enhance HAM range and to hit smaller targets makes is an excilent ship for small gang and solo PvP.
Is that worth it's price?
in the right hands it will.
though I expect the price to drop a little bit when it isn't a new thing anymore.
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Dildus Maximus
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:07:00 -
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drake navy = overpriced and flat out ugly |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:40:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:I really don't get it.
[Drake Navy Issue, DNI]
Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
So that fit there? You going to kite with it I presume? So uhh, what happens when you run out of cap 1m30sec with micro on? You need at least 1 cap booster for kiting. You will be dead in seconds against anything brawl fit that catches you in your 1 minute of cap.
Good luck soloing, maybe I'll go and kill you with T1 brawling bc.
What a useless ship. Has anyone on here saying it is good niche ship, actually flown/fit/fought a navy drake? Hard to fit, solo = dead/fleet = dead(primary, unless HM 100km out), die too easily. There is a reason why no one likes them, but mission runners. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
21
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:59:00 -
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Dude...have you ever used a podla drake? |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
29
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:06:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:Dude...have you ever used a podla style drake?
Dude do you actually know what the fit is? Not what you posted. |
Haulie Berry
1023
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:11:00 -
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Lol, PvE players. |
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
21
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:15:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:Bertrand Butler wrote:Dude...have you ever used a podla style drake? Dude do you actually know what the fit is? Not what you posted.
Of course, thats why I said "style" in the post. If you want to go for complete copycat, the fit is the following:
[Drake Navy Issue, Drake Navy Issue fit]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
But. The extra range and cap gives the opportunity to the DNI to do the same job with HAMs and a lower sig invul. Also, I dont know where you got your cap stats. The fit I posted goes for 3m40s all running. And you dont run everything all the time. |
Porkgazam Wankers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:20:00 -
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I was a little underwhelmed by the new Navy Drake that I picked up on Sunday. That is until I ran a mission and happily squealed like a fat kid in a chocolate store, while I launched salvo after salvo and nothing came close to even scratching the paint. I am happy with the ship but IMO it could use a little buff. Perhaps upping the calibration for the rigs? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2863
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:23:00 -
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And it just so happens that I use a TP on my standard issue drake.
Still, when I saw the 8-slot Drake, I feared it it become the dujour "get ganked by swarms of this hull" ship. And that would result in people crying in these forums that the Drake is OP (as if they would have survived the gate camp but for Drake?)
So it would look like CCP is being very careful with the Navy Drake. If this gets buffed, there is a risk of an ocean of tears lest people have to address their crap tactics instead.
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Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
29
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:32:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:
But. The extra range and cap gives the opportunity to the DNI to do the same job with HAMs and a lower sig invul. Also, I dont know where you got your cap stats. The fit I posted goes for 3m40s all running. And you dont run everything all the time.
I still do not get the point of that fit for the DNI. Not enough tank or not enough cap. You hit approach and burn towards them?
I got the cap stats from running everything in pyfa. Its not like 3 minutes is any better, but yes you don't need to run everything. Which means you want to brawl with this fit. All I can say is good luck. Post those KM brah. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1556
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:35:00 -
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To mare wrote:at least you got something different to play with that might find some use. minmatar got the same old cane prenerf with wxtra hp
You say that like it's a bad thing. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
525
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:31:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Drake vs Drake Navy Issue Drake has 6 launcher slots, at CBC level 5, you get 50% more damage per launcher, this comes down to the equivalent of 9 launchers. Drake Navy Issue has 8 launchers at 0 damage bonus.
Drake has 4% resist per level, meaning 20% more resist at CBC 5, so you take 20% less damage before fitting resistance modules or rigs, which makes the Drake's tank basically the same ( in terms of EHP ) as the Drake Navy Issue.
All the Drake Navy Issue does better than the normal Drake, is fire from longer range and hit smaller targets.
Effectively, you guys made an attempt at a "sniper" missile boat.
Ok, now in terms of how we can use it. PVE: Drake Navy Issue is better at disposing smaller targets at higher range, BUT, fitting just 1 target painter to a normal drake, will make all those lovely Drake Navy Issue stats useless, seeing as it's a little easier to "sacrifice" a mid slot on the normal Drake. Also, the extra range is over-rated and hardly means anything out there.
PVP: You can make a "long" range sniper Drake. But it being missiles, makes it useless again, since the travel-time of missiles makes them less than loved.
The only advantage i can see ( and it is only small ), is that HAM's effectively get the same range as normal Heavies, or just slightly over. Out there though, the short range of the HAM's on a normal Drake, are only a very small "issue".
So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist?
I believe it gets a 50% boost to base shield hit points, so that would more than compensate for the 20% boost to shield resists, if you fit accordingly.
Also, depending on your target, the explosion radius bonus will increase your true damage when using HAMS. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
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Liam Shotson
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
12
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:42:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Liam Mirren wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:So i ask, anyone, the Drake Navy Issue, why does it exist? It exists for people who do more than just chaining lvl 3&4, it's fantastic with HAMs and still gets similar EHP numbers even though it lacks a resist bonus. It does less damage than the Drake ( provided you shoot kinetic, which most people do ) and all it gives back is more range. I live in null, i know targets get out of HAM range often, but the inconvenience is really only small, i just don't find it enough of a reason to fork out 2 or 3 times ( think at this point in time, it's even 5 times still ) the iskies for it. ******Edit****** just checked eve-central, it's even 6 times the iskies and up.
If you shoot kinetic, you are likely shooting wrong. Next up is that you get a giant true-dps buff, meaning your true applied DPS goes up, not just the EFT or fitting numbers, but true applied dmg. Next up, you are fighting a losing battle, the drake navy issue has proved very useful for my friends and it is great where the drake is not. HAM drake is a right old pain against anything smaller, but with the drake navy issue it is 100% viable to shoot everything. Just because it doesn't rat guristas 6/10s and it can't do your lvl 3s and 4s as fast, but it damn well works for what it was intended to do. Bring HAMS, and hit with them too. |
Pwnership
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:02:00 -
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Sorry CCP, but for years I wanted a Navy Issue Drake or the like and this one has failed my imagination by a long shot. It should be worth what you pay for it like every other ship in the game. There is a reason why there are so many posts on the matter. From a ship that a solid number of players were wanting to be so good, I believe CCP only hired a really good paint guy!
-Hope it gets changed. (I won't say fixed here, because some don't think it's broke) |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
107
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Posted - 2013.06.12 03:08:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:The question should be "Why does the Drake exist"....... death to all drakes ! Because something in this game has to be easymode.
<.<
>.>
It's the first ship that I actively skill for on all my alts........ |
Majindoom Shi
We the Gankers
4
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Posted - 2013.06.12 04:19:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Majindoom Shi wrote:some one's been killed by too many drakes. You butt hurt bro? You seem really upset. The point Is valid. For the price it should be better. Is the navy tempest not better than the tempest? Is the navy raven not better than the raven? The navy drake should be a lot more powerful. And yes ccp did say it was supposed to be as good as the old drake. Scrub get made when they fix the navy drake ill bring the blob to you Which part of "the navy drake IS better, just not in the way carebears clowns (like you it seems) want/expect it to be" don't you get? Also, tired old memes aren't helping your case. LOL at calling everyone carebears. I would take a "tired old meme" any day over trying to insult people by calling them carebears. Like null blobs are oh so dangerous lol. Come out to my C6 I'll show you a carebear. |
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Fenix Caderu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.15 09:07:00 -
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It's a different ship, different role. Sometimes people get too caught up with numbers..
Of course they had to nerf some things in order to keep balance. Also, the damage is actually slightly higher at low SP. The normal drakes damage is not better until you train up the supporting skills like BC5. The DPS difference is about 25 or so at max skills. But sometimes maybe you'd want smaller radius penalties instead, maybe for popping tacklers, kiters and dessies. Faction ships were intended for FW. It's like a destroyer of destroyers with a lot bigger tank. You also only need one target painter, or none at all, which leaves more room for tank.
I also tried a test fit in EFT using all caldari navy faction modules (BCS, shield modules, etc), and T2 launchers with fury missiles. It seems to fit like a glove, as if the modules were intended for it.... It's over 2bil but the result is ridiculous DPS and range and a nice active tank for PVE, or big buffer for PVP.
So far it's all I have to solo level 4s with (non faction fit), until I train for cruise missiles. It does fine, if slow killing the battleships. It instapops frigates and dessie's often though. It does a little more DPS than a normal drake since I don't have BC5 yet, and I'm not limited to scourge for max DPS. It's a solid ship.
Always room for improvement, though! I'm sure there will be changes...
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
263
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:27:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:The question should be "Why does the Drake exist"....... death to all drakes !
!! Troll-a-Thon !!
I love my Drake. If I took it into the level 4 mission it probably would've survived the escalation that guaranteed destroying my Raven (at *least* 10...yes...10 ECMs to lock it down). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Doc Spectre
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.06.15 11:29:00 -
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I've never been more disappointed in a new anticipated ship than this piece of Crap... It's a pathetic attempt at a Navy Ship... |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1122
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Posted - 2013.06.15 14:09:00 -
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Doc Spectre wrote:I've never been more disappointed in a new anticipated ship than this piece of Crap... It's a pathetic attempt at a Navy Ship...
and for this alone, i thank you ccp.
Im glad the new BC arnt turbo mode BC but just different, really should be thought of alternate BCs with more ehp. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
336
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Posted - 2013.06.15 14:09:00 -
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ITT: Carebears cry about DNI because Battleclinic hasn't collected all the failfits yet. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
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