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Marmaduke Hatplate
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:41:00 -
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Also, as was pointed out very well upthread, due to Eve's economy, i do interact with other players even when I'm soloing. Someone's gotta buy my veldspar |

Harrimon Hoxx
Team Miners INC.
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:19:00 -
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Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-? I was wondering when this refrain would arrive lol. Think about this: I live in a capital city. Sometimes I go to a bar on my way home from work, and I sit and have a beer in the sun and read the paper. I don't feel the need to shout "Hey everyone, look at my paper, let's all talk about the news together!", but I don't want a bar that's completely empty. Sometimes I go shopping to a supermarket on my own while my gf is at work. I don't call my friends up first so that we can all roam around Tescos in a 10-man group together, and I don't ask strangers if they want to a company me and chat about stuff while we shop, but me alone in the place would seem deeply wierd. Sometimes I go for a cycle around a local park. Knowing other people are strolling or cycling or having a picnic there is nice, but I'd rather leave my earbuds in than join a convoy. Sometimes I go to the cinema on my own to see a movie. Other people eat crispsoudly, so solo pls. There are 4 million people on my city's 'server'. I interact witha tiny minority of them, but they still need to be there. The other players in an MMO are part of what gives an MMO its unique atmosphere. Eve is no exception. Seeing Rookie chat scroll away adds to the i pression of living in a vast teeming universe. I don't need to interact woth them, I just need tk know they're there.
Epic!
You sir, are my twin and I've resubbed just to applaud your bar/supermarket/park/cinema analogies. After a couple of years absent I may even get back into space. |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:42:00 -
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Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-? I was wondering when this refrain would arrive lol. Think about this: I live in a capital city. Sometimes I go to a bar on my way home from work, and I sit and have a beer in the sun and read the paper. I don't feel the need to shout "Hey everyone, look at my paper, let's all talk about the news together!", but I don't want a bar that's completely empty. Sometimes I go shopping to a supermarket on my own while my gf is at work. I don't call my friends up first so that we can all roam around Tescos in a 10-man group together, and I don't ask strangers if they want to a company me and chat about stuff while we shop, but me alone in the place would seem deeply wierd. Sometimes I go for a cycle around a local park. Knowing other people are strolling or cycling or having a picnic there is nice, but I'd rather leave my earbuds in than join a convoy. Sometimes I go to the cinema on my own to see a movie. Other people eat crispsoudly, so solo pls. There are 4 million people on my city's 'server'. I interact witha tiny minority of them, but they still need to be there. The other players in an MMO are part of what gives an MMO its unique atmosphere. Eve is no exception. Seeing Rookie chat scroll away adds to the i pression of living in a vast teeming universe. I don't need to interact woth them, I just need tk know they're there.
That's a terrible analogy
firstly eve is a game, you are given the specifics before you started playing: you WILL be subject to interaction with people and the game is designed on the assumption that people will play together. Sure there is pve content that is doable solo but that's not the main idea behind it.
Real life is real life, don't try and use it in the context of a game. If I want solo focused PVE content in an rpg I would load up a final fantasy game.
You live in this city of 4million people and interact with only a minority of them: the rest could be robots and you wouldn't know any better or care. You don't play a mmo to do solo PVE content. For some reason or another you will end up doing something with a real human being at some point so if the OP wanted a game with well-developed solo pve content he has come to the wrong game.
You can make solo pve interesting in EVE but that's entirely up to you and not CCP's concern. |

Harrimon Hoxx
Team Miners INC.
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Posted - 2013.06.13 12:47:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:
That's a terrible analogy
Isn't he saying the other players - the MMO bit - gives him a flavour and add to the atmosphere. Sure, interaction will find him but he doesn't have to seek it out.
Other players in an MMO can be viewed as being dynamic NPCs: if they come looking for you then you need to react but there's nothing stopping you from not initiating interaction if you don't want to do so. You can still be a vital part of the Eve economy and ecosystem as a solo PVE orientated player.
Eve is a game very much without rules and is different to other MMO's...playing solo in an MMO surely fits in with that ethos? |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:30:00 -
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Great analogy but you would have to add ax murders running around the bar, everyone around you in the movie blasting beer farts, someone outside the supermarket with a bullhorn offering to double groceries if you send him what you have in your cart right now and little bastard children throwing sticks in front of your bike at the park. |

Jev Zhuco
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:47:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-?
I can approach this one, as well. Gathering resources, selling them, watching my numbers go up is kind of fun. Many of my favorite single player RPGS are less story focused, and more sandbox and game mechanic focused. I like the idea of being able to fly around a giant universe just doing stuff to make my numbers go up.
But it's so much more fun when I have to be "on" the entire time because that random encounter isn't with some pre-screened level-appropriate AI-controlled monster. It's with someone who can, and will, kill me. I have to be smart. I have to be fast. I have to be prepared. I may play as if I'm here for the PvE, and if I couldn't ever get anything done because I was constantly being attackded, it wouldn't be fun (see also: single player RPGs with excessive random encounters). But that occasional moment, that life-or-death moment between the time I notice the threat to the time my ship finally reaches warp and I'm wondering if my tank is going to hold out that long... I live for that moment.
Also, the option of blowing someone away just because they annoy me is awesome. Most games you just have to put up with those people.
So I guess I am here for the PvP. I'm just not here for "good fights." I'm here to see just how finely I can skate the line between risk and reward. |

Harrimon Hoxx
Team Miners INC.
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Posted - 2013.06.13 16:44:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Great analogy but you would have to add ax murders running around the bar, everyone around you in the movie blasting beer farts, someone outside the supermarket with a bullhorn offering to double groceries if you send him what you have in your cart right now and little bastard children throwing sticks in front of your bike at the park.
Depends where you live in RL , it may happen. |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:00:00 -
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Jev Zhuco wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:why would you play a Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg if you wanted to do solo pve content -_-? I can approach this one, as well. Gathering resources, selling them, watching my numbers go up is kind of fun. Many of my favorite single player RPGS are less story focused, and more sandbox and game mechanic focused. I like the idea of being able to fly around a giant universe just doing stuff to make my numbers go up. But it's so much more fun when I have to be "on" the entire time because that random encounter isn't with some pre-screened level-appropriate AI-controlled monster. It's with someone who can, and will, kill me. I have to be smart. I have to be fast. I have to be prepared. I may play as if I'm here for the PvE, and if I couldn't ever get anything done because I was constantly being attackded, it wouldn't be fun (see also: single player RPGs with excessive random encounters). But that occasional moment, that life-or-death moment between the time I notice the threat to the time my ship finally reaches warp and I'm wondering if my tank is going to hold out that long... I live for that moment. Also, the option of blowing someone away just because they annoy me is awesome. Most games you just have to put up with those people. So I guess I am here for the PvP. I'm just not here for "good fights." I'm here to see just how finely I can skate the line between risk and reward.
So in conclusion: you are here to interact with other human beings and not AI. Good for you.
Making your numbers go up is a perfectly valid goal, but only because there are other PEOPLE to compare it to. |

Toshiro Hasegawa
The Circus Corp Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:26:00 -
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You can totaly play EvE solo PVE.
It is not like most / all other MMO though, as stated by a lot of other people. There is no bread crumb trail to follow from level based region to region until end game. Its sandbox .. so its what YOU make of it. If you can continue to find enjoyment comming up with your own goals and trying to achieve them - you can continue to play for ages. Especially if you mix things up and do missions, and mine, and trade, and research - plugging away at little goals here and there.
But you can not expect to have your hand held - through your time in game - you are in charge not the devs.
As for playing with people or not .. i would 100% say play with people .. ive played the game with people and by myself and with various corps over the last 10 years and it has almost always been more fun to play with other people.
I am not 100% sure what your hesitation would be - but i know for a fact there is a corp (more likely 1000) for every play style.
There are PVE only corps, that stay in highsec and dont have any requirements for activity - that provide mutuual support, help and fun conversation while playing .. that dont care what you are doing, where you are doing it, or why. I do not see why one would shy away from a corp like that. Especially important for new players - to help learn the game.
I have spent time in some serious corps and some lax ones .. both have their pros and cons .. but as it is an MMO .. its really designed for groups to work together... it is easier to group up to mine, even if each person is mining for their own stash, the mutual support to keep rats off, and the banter that ensues on TS / or in fleet chat makes for a better experience.
But you pay to play so you are gona have to decide whats fun and whats not .. and if other humans are going to make you not want to log in .. then so be it .. run around space on yoru own (although you may want to invest in some other accounts to specialise in things like rating or mining or trading or manufacturing - usually hard for one toon to excel in all fields of play.) |

Untanas Volmyr
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
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Posted - 2013.06.13 18:43:00 -
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I do lots of solo play. Its a good way to learn how to support yourself without asking for hand outs all the time. Which makes you more of an effective player. Once you feel overly confident you can roll the dice some more. There's a ton of coordination involved in effective pvp. Which is exhillerating your first time out in a massive fleet. Murphy's Technology Law - If your not thoroughly confused. Then you were not thoroughly informed. |

Velarra
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:02:00 -
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You know the Atari 2600 or say, the Commodore 64/128, or perhaps NES 16bit & Turbographics 16?
Eve's 'solo' PVE environments and these consoles share alot in common, yet mostly the Atari/Commodore era games. However you don't honestly get the opportunity to use a joystick much. It's mostly point and click. Not unlike an Apple IIgs running microsoft office in the prototype System 1.x GUI Apple had for a while.
Now replace the animated, simplistic icons of the Atari with predomently Red crosses in addition to white & yellow icons too.
If you like this kind of gaming environment, eve's solo PVE will keep you enthralled & relaxed for hours! If you're lucky, - days & months even!
Ok, i'm sorry (kinda).. this is New Citizens.
Ideally you're better off being social with others when doing anything in Eve. The Solo PVE is horrible, but if you play with a group of friends/corpmates you'll enjoy eve, in general infinitely more than if you try to run it as a solo PVE mmo. |

Paul Otichoda
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.13 23:42:00 -
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Velarra wrote: Ideally you're better off being social with others when doing anything in Eve. The Solo PVE is horrible, but if you play with a group of friends/corpmates you'll enjoy eve, in general infinitely more than if you try to run it as a solo PVE mmo.
yeah but this is the kind of multiplayer co-operation is something that I've never been comfortable with. I'm fine with using chat with random players. But close co-operation with people I know know either by chat or worse VOIP is something I just don't want to try.
And no I can't get my friends to get into the game. Most of them don't do this kind of thing. |

Roel Yento
Black Rain Cartel
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Posted - 2013.06.14 00:21:00 -
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If your cool with people trying to kill you and want to do something fun and make money solo, try your hand at lootng and salvaging other peoples wrecks from pvp fights in low or null. Probing skills, covert ops, and salvaging is all you need. You can add hacking and archeology skills to do sites in between. Can salvage sleeper loot in wormholes too that other people were farming. You will need patience and be okay that you probably won't be making high isk/hour but it can be thrilling and if you are carefull, you will make plenty to replace ships over time. Some people like ninja ratting in hostile space too. Basically killing npc ships in anomalies or asteroid belts with the added risk of people possibly passing by your system and trying to catch you or actively hunting you down. Just throwing some ideas out there. |

Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:26:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Great analogy but you would have to add ax murders running around the bar, everyone around you in the movie blasting beer farts, someone outside the supermarket with a bullhorn offering to double groceries if you send him what you have in your cart right now and little bastard children throwing sticks in front of your bike at the park. That is a matter of being at the wrong place or being there at the wrong time.
I wouldn't want to attend to certain gas stations at dusk where groups of partially drunk young folk gang together to occasionally yell at passersby.
Also there are farting drunk misfits at some corners just around supermarkets.
There are young parents yelling at their misbehaving children - in a disgusting manner - at the grocery store.
In some supermarket I have also witnessed some slightly drunk young man drop a beer bottle by accident only to get called names by his buddy and subsequently get hit by him on the head with another bottle leaving a bleeding wound.
Your turn.
I think you should correct your views about eve by visiting some just slightly less crowded places besides the trade hubs. |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2013.06.14 14:35:00 -
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Jose Black wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Great analogy but you would have to add ax murders running around the bar, everyone around you in the movie blasting beer farts, someone outside the supermarket with a bullhorn offering to double groceries if you send him what you have in your cart right now and little bastard children throwing sticks in front of your bike at the park. That is a matter of being at the wrong place or being there at the wrong time. I wouldn't want to attend to certain gas stations at dusk where groups of partially drunk young folk gang together to occasionally yell at passersby. Also there are farting drunk misfits at some corners just around supermarkets. There are young parents yelling at their misbehaving children - in a disgusting manner - at the grocery store. In some supermarket I have also witnessed some slightly drunk young man drop a beer bottle by accident only to get called names by his buddy and subsequently get hit by him on the head with another bottle leaving a bleeding wound. Your turn. I think you should correct your views about eve by visiting some just slightly less crowded places besides the trade hubs.
So after 3 pages we have all come to the conclusion that EvE and real places are both multiplayer with stinky solo play (choking the bird versus pounding some poon comes to mind)...that and you got to see a three stooges act with a ghetto knife in a grocery store. |

Toshiro Hasegawa
The Circus Corp Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:25:00 -
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hard to get a good opnion from the forums .. about solo pve play anyhow
most of the posters on the forums are agresive pvp trolls - so you cant really expect a balanced opinion from them only derision and heavily biased diatribes.
unless thats what you were looking for, in which case you came to the right place. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:21:00 -
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I find the PvE content in Eve to be astonishingly bad as compared to any other modern MMO. The only time the PvE itself is fun is when some corpmates and I get together to blast through L4s together while talking on TS about why XBox One is total fail. Otherwise the only reason to do the PvE is to get isk to pay for the ships you want to fly and those that need replacing.
Seriously, I'd rather kill Darth Malgus every night in SW:TOR than solo Eve's PvE... except... what makes Eve's PvE special is the fact that at any time another actual player can warp into your location and pee in your cheerios. Sometimes they are ninja salvaging your wrecks. Maybe they're trying to steal the loot from the can you just hacked. Or maybe they are there for a little ganky panky. Then it gets exciting, even if you wake up in a clone vat, its fun so long as you have a good attitude about it.
In summary: I personally think you'll get very bored very quick with just the PvE. Its the players in Eve that make New Eden fun and exciting. Do things that get you involved with them. |
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