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TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 266	Posted - 2013.06.11 12:52:00 - [1] - Quote From the Odyssey T1 Frigate thread: CCP Fozzie wrote: Some of you will notice that there are certain imbalances that these changes do not fully rectify (for instance the current strength of light missile speed fits, the slight relative weakness of the Rifter, Breacher and the solo Punisher). What's going to happen with this? Breachers are sort of fine I think (active shield fits end up lacking in hp, but on the other hand, ASBs are totally ovepowered), but rifters and punishers are still unusable trash, and LML kiting is still easy mode OP broken.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 1358	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:07:00 - [2] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: From the Odyssey T1 Frigate thread: CCP Fozzie wrote: Some of you will notice that there are certain imbalances that these changes do not fully rectify (for instance the current strength of light missile speed fits, the slight relative weakness of the Rifter, Breacher and the solo Punisher). What's going to happen with this? Breachers are sort of fine I think (active shield fits end up lacking in hp, but on the other hand, ASBs are totally ovepowered), but rifters and punishers are still unusable trash, and LML kiting is still easy mode OP broken. There will be another balance pass soon(tm), I assume.
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 266	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:13:00 - [3] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: TrouserDeagle wrote: From the Odyssey T1 Frigate thread: CCP Fozzie wrote: Some of you will notice that there are certain imbalances that these changes do not fully rectify (for instance the current strength of light missile speed fits, the slight relative weakness of the Rifter, Breacher and the solo Punisher). What's going to happen with this? Breachers are sort of fine I think (active shield fits end up lacking in hp, but on the other hand, ASBs are totally ovepowered), but rifters and punishers are still unusable trash, and LML kiting is still easy mode OP broken. There will be another balance pass soon(tm), I assume. Thing is, this was the second (third?) balance pass on those t1 frigs, and CCP really thought that +50 hull or whatever was going to fix them.
Edward Olmops Sirius Fleet Cerberus Unleashed 61	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:32:00 - [4] - Quote I think CCP Rise hinted at "possible new missile modules and/or interactions". So I assume there are still plans along the lines of "Tracking Disruption and Tracking Enhancers for Missiles" that was announced for Retribution already, but then didn't make it into the expansion. If there was any sort of E-War that could reduce missile range or hit quality, that would allow new counters against those LM kiting boats. The balancing would thus be done via modules, not the hulls themselves. Oh, and while we are at it: I want a drone repellent ship!
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 266	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:44:00 - [5] - Quote Edward Olmops wrote: I think CCP Rise hinted at "possible new missile modules and/or interactions". So I assume there are still plans along the lines of "Tracking Disruption and Tracking Enhancers for Missiles" that was announced for Retribution already, but then didn't make it into the expansion. If there was any sort of E-War that could reduce missile range or hit quality, that would allow new counters against those LM kiting boats. The balancing would thus be done via modules, not the hulls themselves. Oh, and while we are at it: I want a drone repellent ship! That's all controversial stuff that sounds like it might not happen, if they decide that it's dumb. I'm only really looking for a little LML nerf because I hate condors and it would upset a friend of mine.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 1358	Posted - 2013.06.11 14:47:00 - [6] - Quote Edward Olmops wrote: I think CCP Rise hinted at "possible new missile modules and/or interactions". So I assume there are still plans along the lines of "Tracking Disruption and Tracking Enhancers for Missiles" that was announced for Retribution already, but then didn't make it into the expansion. If there was any sort of E-War that could reduce missile range or hit quality, that would allow new counters against those LM kiting boats. The balancing would thus be done via modules, not the hulls themselves. Oh, and while we are at it: I want a drone repellent ship! Sensor damps and smartbombs.
Grunnax Aurelius luna Oscura Clandestina Armada The Nightingales of Hades 140	Posted - 2013.06.12 01:21:00 - [7] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Edward Olmops wrote: I think CCP Rise hinted at "possible new missile modules and/or interactions". So I assume there are still plans along the lines of "Tracking Disruption and Tracking Enhancers for Missiles" that was announced for Retribution already, but then didn't make it into the expansion. If there was any sort of E-War that could reduce missile range or hit quality, that would allow new counters against those LM kiting boats. The balancing would thus be done via modules, not the hulls themselves. Oh, and while we are at it: I want a drone repellent ship! Sensor damps and smartbombs. Finally someone who has half a brain speaks, unlike every other fool here who QQ about missiles!!! Just to warn you guys I am one of those guys who carries FoF for Dampening and ECM fitted ships!!! I think this is what people QQ about, oh but wait, Danika Princip said Smartbombs, oh look at that, that solves FoF users!!! Look guys, quit crying, sick to death of hearing gun users say missiles are shyte for PvP, then get their asses handed to them by a missile boat and scream "NERF MISSILES". Missiles are balanced learn how to deal with them, eg. low sig and high propulsion. Step 1: Take a Measured 1 Cup of Concrete Step 2: Drink said Measured 1 Cup of Concrete Step 3: HARDEN THE F U C K UP!!! EDIT: +1 for Danika Princip Two Teir Carriers-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207604&find=unread
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 266	Posted - 2013.06.12 05:15:00 - [8] - Quote Kind of more interested in what CCP think than what you think. Especially you, Grunnax - that post was terrible.
Bakuhz The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades 31	Posted - 2013.06.12 06:53:00 - [9] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: From the Odyssey T1 Frigate thread: CCP Fozzie wrote: Some of you will notice that there are certain imbalances that these changes do not fully rectify (for instance the current strength of light missile speed fits, the slight relative weakness of the Rifter, Breacher and the solo Punisher). What's going to happen with this? Breachers are sort of fine I think (active shield fits end up lacking in hp, but on the other hand, ASBs are totally ovepowered), but rifters and punishers are still unusable trash, and LML kiting is still easy mode OP broken. http://tnoh.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=576554 We are stil looking for Manticore Pilot's can you fly one and are interested to do more with covert operations Contact me for more info
Vayn Baxtor Community for Justice R O G U E 52	Posted - 2013.06.12 07:01:00 - [10] - Quote No clue. Maybe it is a step-by-step thing. Along with the usual stupid We wait and see blablabla by CCP . People been giving lots of suggestions and stuff and, well, that's it. +50hp here, and a damp handshake. /shrug I suppose CCP simply sees the small stuff as a mere lightweight stepladder - Other stuff are viable and apparently, we as players should just move on. At least that is how it all sounds like considering these some two or three reviews. Of course, balancing is a neverending drama and it will remain a pain in the AFT thrusters. I just think that there could be a lot of fun to be hand in a mini-game alongside all T1 frigates (or more than what you get and see nowadays), but it all ends with ain't gonna happen. But is has been said over and over again that in terms of Rifter, it is clearly mediocre vs a Slasher for instance - in terms of tasks as this tiericide stuff is all about tasks and roles first and foremost. Some sick mix of controversy and irony right there. Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.
Colt Blackhawk The Amarrian Expendables 159	Posted - 2013.06.12 07:33:00 - [11] - Quote I can only say it again and again: There isn-¦t any problem with light missiles and kitey condors. They are vulnerable. If they get scrammed= they dead. Main problem is ogb. I doubt there is any ship in even that profits so much of ogb like for example the kitey double damp condor. Light missiles in combination with loki links are op. But not without. But tbh ogb is the main problem. I am a condor pilot. And 97% of my time withouht ogb. A mwd puni can kill and prolly will kill a kitey condor if he knows how to loop because the condor will need years to kill that thing. Especially active tank fits are mostly unkillable with kitey condors. Kitey condor vs incursus----> don-¦t engage because you won-¦t kill it. Kiting without loki links requires A LOT of manual piloting if your opponent knows how to loop. And tbh I have not seldom given up a good tanked target because I thought "okay it will take ages to kill him and until then he may be successfull with loop". But with ogb and 36km point.... Okay you are dead. No way to loop. Only active tank will save you. So: main problem are off grid boosts. BURN IT IN THE FIRE!
Enilonee 19	Posted - 2013.06.12 08:05:00 - [12] - Quote Bakuhz wrote: punishers are qutie nice solo frigates have not lost one in a solo fight yet so they must be good at it. You don't have a single solo kill in a Punisher. Funnily enough most of your solo kills feature you sitting in a Nado/Mael/Oracle blapping noobships.
Bakuhz The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades 31	Posted - 2013.06.12 10:26:00 - [13] - Quote Enilonee wrote: Bakuhz wrote: punishers are qutie nice solo frigates have not lost one in a solo fight yet so they must be good at it. You don't have a single solo kill in a Punisher. Funnily enough most of your solo kills feature you blapping cynoships. now you think you have done your homework i have been duelling on sisi alot in frigate 1vs 1 havent lost one punisher goodluck with that my KB: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Bakuhz your KB: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Enilonee nice killboard very prestigous come up with something more imppressive before you push your mouth go play with your lego http://tnoh.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=576554 We are stil looking for Manticore Pilot's can you fly one and are interested to do more with covert operations Contact me for more info
Colt Blackhawk The Amarrian Expendables 159	Posted - 2013.06.12 11:19:00 - [14] - Quote Bakuhz wrote: Enilonee wrote: Bakuhz wrote: punishers are qutie nice solo frigates have not lost one in a solo fight yet so they must be good at it. You don't have a single solo kill in a Punisher. Funnily enough most of your solo kills feature you blapping cynoships. now you think you have done your homework i have been duelling on sisi alot in frigate 1vs 1 havent lost one punisher goodluck with that my KB: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Bakuhz your KB: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Enilonee nice killboard very prestigous come up with something more imppressive before you push your mouth go play with your lego Loki+ Legion?! Congrats that would make even a noobship killing sth^^
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 266	Posted - 2013.06.12 12:42:00 - [15] - Quote Think I'll abandon this thread - I didn't start it to be told by scrubs that punishers are good and that the solutions to my problems are fitting sensor damps and smartbombs. I forgot to mention that tristans are about as terrible, but nobody ever believes me. I think CCP thinks they are fine.
Meditril T.R.I.A.D 293	Posted - 2013.06.12 13:54:00 - [16] - Quote LML kiting is fine as it is. The only real problem are Off Grid Boosters with regards to speed and snakes. In my opinion speed boosts by implants and boosters should be turned into something else. Without Off Grid Boosters / snakes on your enemy you can in most cases either get the enemy into scram / web range and kill him or you can manouver so that you get outside his point range and just run, IF you have an MWD fitted. So if you fit just an AB then just stay away from kiters and stop whining, it was your strategic decision for AB instead of MWD.
Delarian Rox CYBER SMERCH 0	Posted - 2013.06.12 15:30:00 - [17] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: Think I'll abandon this thread - I didn't start it to be told by scrubs that punishers are good and that the solutions to my problems are fitting sensor damps and smartbombs. I forgot to mention that tristans are about as terrible, but nobody ever believes me. I think CCP thinks they are fine.

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