its not the end of the world you know. Even with 30m/h you are doing pretty good compared to incursions because you are solo the other one requires team work .

Most ratters where doing hubs on pirate ships but they added frigates inside and ofc they reduce the income per tick.
But people that where doing sanctums - heavens they probably will see an increase as more bs spawn there now.

Actually I don't want to get into the risk / reward thingy. With increased WH appearance and scrambling frigates in anos null is even riskier with even lower reward now - which might make some people happy.

My situation is: A fitted cruiser sized pvp ship costs me 300-500 mil and I just want to avoid to sit even longer in anomalies (2-3 hours) to earn my pvp ships (=having fun 20 mintes).

I just wanted to know how you guys (nullbears) approach the new situation. Other income type? Other anomalies with other ships? etc.

55 mill ticks was only vindi against strictly serp f.hubs, my mach vs angels could do 46 mill ticks, next best to a vindi
the big problem is that these are turret using pirate bs and as such have been hit with a double whammy

The first is the nerf to TEs which if your flying your mach/vindi right youl have 3 faction ones and be using naturally short range ammo, with this nerf youl be shooting in deep falloff much more often (over half op+falloff) which decreases your dps

The second and more important is the inclusion of frigs now, if your upclose to the spawn point (which you should be) these frigs will spawn close to you, even with triple faction TEs triple faction TCs loaded with tracking scripts with my maxed turret skills in my mach i still cant hit those frigs, people will now be screaming that you can use lights for them, yes, you CAN, but, if the wave spawn with 4 BS and 4 frigs, you immediatly deploy warrior 2s and use turrets on the bs, a mach/vindi will have killed those 4 BS while the lights are still on the second frig, this is the biggest cause to turret ship isk/hr drop, the time spent killing the frigs will trash your isk intake.

Either one of the 2 above would have been a serious blow to turret based ratting, the two combined are a immense shift, the reasoning behind this was not spelt out by CCP yet it seems obvious to me, part of the war on percieved isk glutony, the benefits of drones for ratting is another article but all can agree (or confess) that in subcap it will hit a wall in isk generation, a pirate BS on the other hand can (or could) increase expotentially, that 46 mill taks with a mach is due to a pirate BS hull, extreme deadspace/faction module use, multiple hardwirings and completely maxed skills, 46 mill is more than the average carrier, a vindi with equel fit/skills can do 50-55 mill ticks vs serp, thats near equal to a supercarrier.

Maybe I'm missing something here but that seems a bit expensive for a pvp fit cruiser. Maybe you should look into getting cheaper pvp ships instead of complaining about how much you get per hour from anoms if those numbers are correct...

Actually I don't want to get into the risk / reward thingy. With increased WH appearance and scrambling frigates in anos null is even riskier with even lower reward now - which might make some people happy.

My situation is: A fitted cruiser sized pvp ship costs me 300-500 mil and I just want to avoid to sit even longer in anomalies (2-3 hours) to earn my pvp ships (=having fun 20 mintes).

I just wanted to know how you guys (nullbears) approach the new situation. Other income type? Other anomalies with other ships? etc.

A solution to your problem, would be to adapt

Hello My Friend,

is still do with my macha with Fusion L (T1 Ammo) 40m+ ticks and thats ok aint know where is ur problem?

Interesting. You do it solo? How do you kill those bloddy frigs?

Congratulations, you seem to understand the reason of my topic.

actually ive been thinking about this, given the vindis tracking bonus, web bonus and inherently better tracking of large blasters vs large autos, a vindi could then switch a TC to a faction web and still be the anom runner it has been with only minor reduction in isk/hr. ofc its still limited by the hybrids set dmg type, so its only applicable against serp (guri as a second), so not much help for mach pilots, and this is still only my experienced assumption based on stats, testing would be needed to confirm a ratting web vindi could pop frigs at close range, thinking of trying this out on test server now.

you want to be successful in pvp with a 300+ million isk cruiser and you need a new cruiser every 20 Minutes ?

Am i right ?

Back to topic ....

Maybe I'm missing something here but that seems a bit expensive for a pvp fit cruiser. Maybe you should look into getting cheaper pvp ships instead of complaining about how much you get per hour from anoms if those numbers are correct...

Exactly 1st rule of eve fly what you can afford to lose

He actually said per tick.

Warp, Ask yourself this:

"Is 55 mil a tick on par with the rest of isk making in eve solo, or is it waaaay to much?" I mean thats like 150-160 mil an hour in the completly safety of your sov home, which is actually safer than highsec. So there making 3 times the isk an hour compared to highsec mission runners in complete safety. Seems unfair to me.

Now it's still approx. 120 mill an hour which is still a lot more than highsec mission runners or even incursion runners.

What brutal said. You perfectly safe solo grinding out more ISK per hour then 40 man high sec incursion fleet. If your doing that solo vs the "End game" of PVE high sec I don't see what the complaint is. Everyone knows Null is a ISK faucet tho many cry on the forums that High sec is where ISK is made.

Untill i left eve (last week) i used a machariel and yeah with odissey the income was reduced a bit (they were also redused for tha ones like me that rat in sansha space with the npcs TD boosts and bugs on retribution), however i found a way to keep it close to the old levels, Fit a faction smartbomb instead that useless nos and kill thouse close range fast frigates, the long range ones, well the tracking nerf does not help to much but they will not last long i hoppe.

My 2 cents

And for thouse saying that null is safer than high, well that just have become a lie with Odissey as you can be found instantly when a red gets on system with only the enemy warp speed as an edge to warp, so if you happen to be fighting with one of thouse scramm frigates you are dead. That solo null income is to high it a lie, they have been nerfing it since i can remember and every day it gets worst. I must say that in an ideal world you should be able to neat 200+ mills an hour in null causse the risk involved and cause it is supossed to be the end game.

no it doesnt. Any team effort pve should just have more. It involves more people coordinating and it is more difficult (incursions)

The new mechanics about anomalies are also nice but still doesnt stop you knowing someone is comming from your intel.
It only improves the initial warp nothing more . Any good dscan pilot always had that chance getting to you before.5 secs of difference is not an excuse as all the people need at least 1 dscan to see what ship is near what planet so they can chooce the closest anomaly

As null is a freaking dangerous zone etc , if it gets no local like WH believe me half of the residents will just leave to high sec.

and about wormholes... you are completly wrong there, whormholes are the ultimate carebear land, you can farm them with allmost 0 risk, just collapse your statics and keep and eye if a new signature pops (ohh wait you dont even need to do that anymore with the new system) they have no local is true, however they are inmune to hotdrops cover or not and if somone wants to take you down will need an equal or bigger size gang (with a loki, a couple of dreads and triage you cant be ganked just like that).