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Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.14 12:37:00 - [1] Read up on Ore theft 101. Done that? Good First of all, these are advanced ore theft lessons. Imagine stealing a bestower full of, say, Crokite or Arknor, or if you are lucky, refined ore such as Zyd. The Risks are minimal, and all that is required is an alt with 1mil to pay for a Bestower, and any required cargo expanders. You can use your main, but you will get known very quickly. Firstly, train up ammar industrial to 2 and hull upgrades to 1 so you can use a Bestower with expanded cargo holds. Now you have a 10km3 Hauler ready for action. Now you need to steal the ore.... How? Would stealing ore not be harder due to the slow speed of the hauler due to expanders? What about suicide alts? The answer to these is simple. You are not going to steal any ore, rather you are going to help the miners by "liberating" their hard mined ore. You need to paint the glass as being a diamond, in order to get the stealing chance done. What do mining corps hate doing? Hauling! They like to spend their time killing roids so let them do all the mining for you. First of all, join a hard core mining corp. This is very easy in the recruitment channel. Now while you train, point out that you are training for a covetor, but in the mean time, you have a 10km3 hauler. This is enough to get you an invite to the next mining op 9 times out of 10. Now since you only have one shot at this per corp you join, you have to make it worth it. Setup a mining op, and ensure that you have huge amounts of mining chars doing all the hard work for you. Make sure that this mining op is going to carry on for a few hours, since there is no point stealing 10km3, you want to steal a few hundred km3. Once in the mining op, you may get asked questions to see if you can keep up with the haul. Remember, you want all the hauling to be done by yourself so encorage any other wannabe haulers to just simply mine. Even if you CANT KEEP UP, say you CAN! Once your mining op has stripped a few belts, try to talk them into carrying on longer. If some members want to leave, say that you will escrow them their share at the end of the op once you have finished hauling. Now comes the punchline. You have hauled a few hundred thousand m3, or if you are patient and use 2-3 hauler alts for a major mining op, you may end up with close to a million m3. Now while everyone is patiently expecting there share, you have one of a few choices.... 1. Escrow all the ore to your main and go on the run! 2. If you are smart and removed roles 24 hours previously, leave corp with a fortune in ore! 3. Get a perfect refiner to refine the ore, but offer to haul it back to <instert system name>. Of course, you ask this question BEFORE moving the stuff, to make sure everyone is happy with your hauling their share of the minerals. If someone want their share here and now, pick options 1 or two. The next Lession is a chapter on how to steal 0.0 ores and get away with it. For those who want this early, send me 10mil and I will eve-mail it to you.
Tenaj	Posted - 2005.11.14 14:24:00 - [2] An interesting sequel, I look forward to reading more. Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
Joshua Izblind	Posted - 2005.11.14 14:44:00 - [3] Belt Cleaning 4tw! -----------------------------------------------
super4lt	Posted - 2005.11.14 15:16:00 - [4] What a complete and utter rubbish/useless thread. Is this ment to be clever? Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.14 15:51:00 - [5] Yes it is ment to be clever. Why make a few million being an ore theif when you can make 100 million a day easy being an ADVANCED ore theif.
Tenaj	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Macro Media Yes it is ment to be clever. Why make a few million being an ore theif when you can make 100 million a day easy being an ADVANCED ore theif. I don't want to be picky and I'm on your side but if we're being all clever and advanced it helps if we spell THIEF correctly hon... Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Macro Media on 14/11/2005 16:11:51 Edited by: Macro Media on 14/11/2005 16:11:12 Originally by: Tenaj Originally by: Macro Media Yes it is ment to be clever. Why make a few million being an ore theif when you can make 100 million a day easy being an ADVANCED ore theif. I don't want to be picky and I'm on your side but if we're being all clever and advanced it helps if we spell THIEF correctly hon... Proof that rich people cannot spell to save themselves :) Anyhow, insted of "if we're" you should have put "if you are". You also missed a comma after the word advanced.
Joshua Izblind	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:12:00 - [8] Belt Cleaning Service should be more appreciated. I take my job and profession very seriously.... -----------------------------------------------
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:17:00 - [9] Originally by: super4lt What a complete and utter rubbish/useless thread. Is this ment to be clever? actually it is pretty good imo, lookin forward to the next ones ^_^ and i might even give it a try hehe Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:23:00 - [10] Edited by: Macro Media on 14/11/2005 16:23:26 Well, Lesson 1 is the risk free version. The rest of them involve an element of risk. Lesson 4 is aimed at someone who is in an Alliance and has an ore thief alt in another corp or same Alliance Corp (Safer). To the chap who payed me 10mil for Lesson 5, it is sent to you. People do not relise how much Money you can make stealing from complex's with t2 industrials.
Tenaj	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Macro Media Edited by: Macro Media on 14/11/2005 16:11:51 Edited by: Macro Media on 14/11/2005 16:11:12 Originally by: Tenaj Originally by: Macro Media Yes it is ment to be clever. Why make a few million being an ore theif when you can make 100 million a day easy being an ADVANCED ore theif. I don't want to be picky and I'm on your side but if we're being all clever and advanced it helps if we spell THIEF correctly hon... Proof that rich people cannot spell to save themselves :) Anyhow, insted of "if we're" you should have put "if you are". You also missed a comma after the word advanced. Not really, I was talking in the collective sense. If you want to get humpty and be this pedantic there's an ''a'' in instead but really this is getting a little silly. The forums are a talking shop and not a grammar rodeo. I was merely trying to point out that since the very essence of your posts will be based around the word THIEF, you would be casting yourself in a less than favourable light if you could not spell it correctly. But hey, it's your post.... Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.14 16:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Tenaj Originally by: Macro Media Edited by: Macro Media on 14/11/2005 16:11:51 Edited by: Macro Media on 14/11/2005 16:11:12 Originally by: Tenaj Originally by: Macro Media Yes it is ment to be clever. Why make a few million being an ore theif when you can make 100 million a day easy being an ADVANCED ore theif. I don't want to be picky and I'm on your side but if we're being all clever and advanced it helps if we spell THIEF correctly hon... Proof that rich people cannot spell to save themselves :) Anyhow, insted of "if we're" you should have put "if you are". You also missed a comma after the word advanced. Not really, I was talking in the collective sense. If you want to get humpty and be this pedantic there's an ''a'' in instead but really this is getting a little silly. The forums are a talking shop and not a grammar rodeo. I was merely trying to point out that since the very essence of your posts will be based around the word THIEF, you would be casting yourself in a less than favourable light if you could not spell it correctly. But hey, it's your post.... Heh, well, lets just leave it as that. No point a couple of thieves arguing over our profession!
Tenaj	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:31:00 - [13] Agreed, and the best of luck !! I look forward to the next lesson Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
rhumbline	Posted - 2005.11.14 18:42:00 - [14] I prefer pos theft, but thats a story i may tell another day...
Skyscorcher	Posted - 2005.11.14 20:40:00 - [15] Hurm... This is way too much work, I think. Plus an alt is almost required. I don't know if Miners have some sort of Super-Miner-Network going on, but you're only going to get away with this once or twice with one character before you gain a super negative rep (for fun, knock yourself down to below -1.5 so that they can put a bounty on your head and you can get even more cash out of them.) There's probably a way that you can make this even better. I'll have to think on it. ______________________________ PLAY LIKE YA GOT A PAIR!
Joshua Izblind	Posted - 2005.11.14 21:20:00 - [16] This is my Belt Clean Alt right here.....points....it owns. Its not because "stealing" ORE makes such good money. Its just the reaction from other people and "fan-mails" u get after uve cleaned up their Jet-Can's. Making someone else misserable because of a game is just the best thing there is Not to mention the amount of people that get their mining barges to dock instantly like little rats running from Mr.Cat as soon as i say: "Belt cleaning Service! Today!" -----------------------------------------------
Leerick Lanche	Posted - 2005.11.14 23:44:00 - [17] Hi,I have an ore thieving problem... Ok I tried to do this, I'm in the corporation and Ive even hauled for them afew times but the problem is Ive oblivously got talking to them and theyre all realy great people who Ive actualy come to like. I`m not sure I could steal from then now.. what would you suggest I do?
MAcheTT3	Posted - 2005.11.15 00:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Leerick Lanche Hi,I have an ore thieving problem... Ok I tried to do this, I'm in the corporation and Ive even hauled for them afew times but the problem is Ive oblivously got talking to them and theyre all realy great people who Ive actualy come to like. I`m not sure I could steal from then now.. what would you suggest I do? Be less of a wimp? Just joking. In fact I know exactly what you mean. What I would suggest is to join another, bigger Corp, and use the fact that you were always reliable in your previous Corp to your advantage. I make sigs, fo' sh!zzle. Check it!
Broc Vallion	Posted - 2005.11.15 03:00:00 - [19] Thread author is dreaming How many corps in Eve let the new guy haul 1000000m3 ore?? thats 100 trips in a 10000m3 hauler lol( 2-3 hauler alts?? ), how many trips do you think you could do during an op? no where near 100.....
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.15 09:15:00 - [20] Edited by: Macro Media on 15/11/2005 09:16:00 Originally by: Broc Vallion Thread author is dreaming How many corps in Eve let the new guy haul 1000000m3 ore?? thats 100 trips in a 10000m3 hauler lol( 2-3 hauler alts?? ), how many trips do you think you could do during an op? no where near 100..... Laugh all you want. You will be surprised. On a typical op, you can expect to haul non stop for 2-3 hours. Do the math and that works out to be several hundred thousand m3. The most I have ever managed is 950km3, and that took me almost half a day. Oh and newbies do the hauling most of the time. Why would a covetor pilot load up in an industiral? You need to understand more about mining corps.
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.15 09:34:00 - [21] Edited by: Macro Media on 15/11/2005 09:35:42 Edited by: Macro Media on 15/11/2005 09:34:27 Originally by: Skyscorcher Hurm... This is way too much work, I think. Plus an alt is almost required. I don't know if Miners have some sort of Super-Miner-Network going on, but you're only going to get away with this once or twice with one character before you gain a super negative rep (for fun, knock yourself down to below -1.5 so that they can put a bounty on your head and you can get even more cash out of them.) There's probably a way that you can make this even better. I'll have to think on it. I use 1 account purely for a manufacturing guy, and with 2 alts that use the training between them. Everything I manufacture is free, but then again some people may use a trial alt and register it as they relise the enjoyment of becoming and Advanced Ore Theif. Heh My Manufacturing guy is perhaps the reason why the price of battleships has shot down :)
Kehmor	Posted - 2005.11.15 12:39:00 - [22] I gave this some consideration a while ago. The problem I came up with (with 0.0 theft of this type) is that moving the minerals is hard. However with the 0.0 market as it is now you could probably even kmake decent profit putting up a sell order right there. Another issue is many mining ops in 0.0 get the hauler to take the ore to a POS therefore giving you no chance to secure it as your own. How would you compensate for this?
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.15 15:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Kehmor I gave this some consideration a while ago. The problem I came up with (with 0.0 theft of this type) is that moving the minerals is hard. However with the 0.0 market as it is now you could probably even kmake decent profit putting up a sell order right there. Another issue is many mining ops in 0.0 get the hauler to take the ore to a POS therefore giving you no chance to secure it as your own. How would you compensate for this? The hardest thing to steal in 0.0 is not ore, it is Ice. Stealing POS equipment is even easier, due to the social engineering involved. This is simply because 9 times out of 10, the POS is in the same sector as the icefield. My next lession will tell you how to steal some Ice, though the stealing rare ore guide will be in the third Lesson.
Broc Vallion	Posted - 2005.11.16 22:01:00 - [24] Your lessons are more about how to betray someones trust, rather than how to steal ore.... I'm an ore thief, But I'd never steal ore by betrying someone trust in game... thats low mate
LOTERIJ Agency	Posted - 2005.11.16 22:40:00 - [25] Edited by: LOTERIJ Agency on 16/11/2005 22:41:30 I tried this guide but they want me to take it to a POS like someone else said. Is there anyway for me to get control of it all? Also whats a good excuse to need POS access to a section with the stuff I drop off? Why would any corp not have you take it to a POS? Where else could they have you put it?
Mang0o	Posted - 2005.11.16 23:39:00 - [26] OMG did a ore thife steal your brain?
Troye	Posted - 2005.11.16 23:53:00 - [27] Originally by: LOTERIJ Agency Edited by: LOTERIJ Agency on 16/11/2005 22:41:30 I tried this guide but they want me to take it to a POS like someone else said. Is there anyway for me to get control of it all? Also whats a good excuse to need POS access to a section with the stuff I drop off? Why would any corp not have you take it to a POS? Where else could they have you put it? Ok your just going too far now... Ore theiving is one thing, you dont know those people and they know the risks of unsecure can mining, there maybe alittle smack talk but in the end it can actualy be quite funny. But as Broc says, what your proposing is a betrayl of trust, your perposely joining a corp and making new friends just to swindle them out of abit of ore. And dont pull the "but its only a virtual world" crap, behind those pixels there are real people who paye real money for a game they want to enjoy.
LOTERIJ Agency	Posted - 2005.11.17 01:55:00 - [28] Isnt that exactually what this guide proposes. A. Join a Hard Core Mining Corp B.Steal they're ore Thats exactually what I'm trying to do.
Skyscorcher	Posted - 2005.11.17 02:51:00 - [29] It's entirely logical. I don't think anyone can argue that it can be a very effective way of getting ore. If a problem does come up through this sort of action, it's that Mining Corps become extremely paranoid. Actually, they're already at that point, but this could make things worse. Though, at the same time, if mining corporations stop growing due to fear of betrayal, then they lose their hold on the economy and new players who want to join mining corps instead create their own empires... thereby increasing the number of targets for this sort of strategy. ... SO IN THE END IT'S ALL MOOT!!? ... This is not where I parked my car... Actually, thinking some more on it, the most efficient way of pulling this off is to have two accounts with multiple characters all infiltrating different corporations at the same time. Alternate training between the ones on the same account or stagger it depending on when you plan to gank all the ore from the one heist. This way, your output doubles or triples (or more) and the money comes in at a more steady rate. Dang. This could get really complicated... ______________________________ PLAY LIKE YA GOT A PAIR!
LOTERIJ Agency	Posted - 2005.11.17 03:13:00 - [30] I dont see how this scam is possible at all though because almost every mining corp that is decent will have you put the mined stuff in a secure corp hanger or POS giving you no chance to get more than a ship full of it which is basically pointless. Especially because no corp is going to give a noob corp access to mined stuff they would never need or use.

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