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Spungwa
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:52:00 -
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just baught a daredevil, the slot arrangements looked interesting, 4 high 4 mid 3 low, similar to the stiletto i thaught but with the ability to fit a small nos and rocket launcher plus more cap and hitting power from neutron blasters tech 2. hurrah i thaught as an alt delivered it to my station. before the EW patch i used to use the stiletto as a jamming ship, it was awesome, since then i have been limited (by choice) to the claw, which IMHO is the greatest ship in the universe ever, since the EW patch. so i was twitching with excitement at the thaught of using the daredevil as a hard hitting EW platform.
anyway, me and a corpmate (who was equally excited as me) set to work setting up our new ships.
damn this ship has grid issues and serious cpu issues.
i have pretty uber skills in frigates as i have specialised in intys almost exclusively, (before you say weapons upgrades skill i have adv. L4). the bonuses on this ship are for small hybrids but it soon became apparent that to set this ship up for anything like a PVP frig then the only option is to fit projectiles.
i originally had hoped for a scram, mwd and 2 dampners plus a repairer, but you cant even fit a scram, web and tracking distrupter. I refuse to fly an expensive frigate into battle without being able to repair.
it seems that this is solely designed for NPC combat, which is stupid seeing as NPC only fight real players, it should then follow that NPC faction ships should be completely PVP orientated.
if a ship is given a large number of mid slots for its class then it should be able to fit more than a shield tank.
the 2 times i have faced faction frigs in anger they were pathetic, by the time i had locked the first and had time to think wtf is that, it was dead (firetail)
similarry me and the afore mentioned corpmate killed a daredevil in equally OMG time (ok there was 2 of us but still) (we even laughed at the projectiles fitted on the kill mail... now i know why, sorry for laughing behind your back dead person)
what is the point in having a ship with hybrid bonuses that, as the story goes has been used by NPC for killing players, that you cant effectivly set up for PVP with hybrids on????
or have i just given up on it too quickly? (it was late, and i didnt spend too long trying fit outs)
please someone give me some hope here before i blow the thing up myself.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2005.11.15 11:56:00 -
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I myself have no clue about the Daredevil but all faction frigs/cruiser get looked at aswell with mk2. Tuxford stated that they'll boost most of them a bit.
So i guess there is hope if it sucks now.
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****! Lets nerf it!
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Hanns
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:14:00 -
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Why would you want to PVP in it, an interceptor or AF is cheaper and much more effective, anything smaller than a Faction Battleship are rare colletors item designed for showing off and gathering dust in your hanger!
Maby if CCP had released them over a year ago, beofre HAC's and AF's were released then they would have been fearfull ships, but now most Tech II ships pwn them
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:23:00 -
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H Zub has used one in PvP on a number of occasions, he even shows it in action in his latest video.
IIRC he has an unused highslot, but he's still getting kills in it.
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Spungwa
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns
Why would you want to PVP in it, an interceptor or AF is cheaper and much more effective, anything smaller than a Faction Battleship are rare colletors item designed for showing off and gathering dust in your hanger!
Maby if CCP had released them over a year ago, beofre HAC's and AF's were released then they would have been fearfull ships, but now most Tech II ships pwn them
i was hoping that it had promise as a pvp ship due to the slot layout and cap, and besides whats the point if having a ship you dont use. since the EW patch i have been looking for another ship i can rely on like the claw, a gaping hole has been in my life since the stiletto became average.
like you say they (FF) seem to get pwned easily, but i had been thinking that was pilot or set up error. due to the rareness of them they should be uber, the rare BS are so why not the frigs?
all the daredevil needs is more cpu and a projectile bonus and it will rock.
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Spungwa
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ebedar
IIRC he has an unused highslot, but he's still getting kills in it.
see? an unused high slot on a frig.... that says it all, the ship is seriously flawed.
maybe its time to look at the cheetah a bit closer, if i remeber rightly it has the same slot layout, projectile bonus and decent cpu, probably the same cost and you get better insurance (just). dont have to fit a cloak to it.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 12:45:00 -
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There are setups that utilise all the slots, my point was that it could be and has been used in PvP effectively.
Ship rarity and cost is no indication of prowess.
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Spungwa
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:00:00 -
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true cost and rarety i suppose should count for nothing. but the fact that you cant use the hybrid bonus on it and PVP in it is still pants, i could set it up to be able to fight sure, but its a waste of bonus and slots. after all, the npc use them to fight players, so they should be PVP ships first and foremost.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:02:00 -
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You can use the hybrid bonus on it and use it for PvP. Try Electrons.
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Spungwa
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:12:00 -
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then what about fitting the nos that is meant to go into the nos slot and a repairer, that leaves you with 2 medium slots after the micro auxillary power core and cpu have filled the lows core and microwarp drive and scram in the mids (guessing here) you should be able to fit a 4 mid slot frig with attacking minded modules not just shield. it is a rubbish pvp ship. maybe i need to sit down in my hanger and think it thru. if you say it can be used effectively (all slots filled) then please tell me the set up.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:21:00 -
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Why are all the faction frigs pathetically slow?
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Spungwa
then what about fitting the nos that is meant to go into the nos slot and a repairer, that leaves you with 2 medium slots after the micro auxillary power core and cpu have filled the lows core and microwarp drive and scram in the mids (guessing here) you should be able to fit a 4 mid slot frig with attacking minded modules not just shield. it is a rubbish pvp ship. maybe i need to sit down in my hanger and think it thru. if you say it can be used effectively (all slots filled) then please tell me the set up.
Will do in about 15 jumps once I can get to mine.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:11:00 -
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Ok, what I currently have fitted:
High: 2x Light Electron Blaster II, 1x 'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher, 1x Small 'Knave' Energy Drain I
Med: 1x 1MN MWD II, 1x Patterned Stasis Web I, 1x Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I, 1x F-B10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator
Low: 1x Small Armor Repairer II, 1x 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I, 1x Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Don't forget, you also have enough space for 2 light or 1 medium drone.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 15/11/2005 14:12:30
Ebedar your missing my point, i didnt say you couldnt get kills in it, or you couldnt come up wit ha decent setup, i was meerly pointing out that AF's and Inties are much more readily available, and in most cases better.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns
Edited by: Hanns on 15/11/2005 14:12:30
Ebedar your missing my point, i didnt say you couldnt get kills in it, or you couldnt come up wit ha decent setup, i was meerly pointing out that AF's and Inties are much more readily available, and in most cases better.
I won't dispute that and, despite my initial post being directly under yours, my comments were aimed at the OP.
Main reasons for flying it are ego factor  and the fact that you can get pilots to engage when they might not if you're flying a 'ceptor (well not me, but Zub - think he takes down an AF in one in that vid as well).
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Spungwa
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Posted - 2005.11.15 15:44:00 -
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cheers for that, goes to show how much time i had spent looking at it, i didnt even see it had drone space. my main reason for buying it was to use for EW clearly it cant do that and still ge blasters on, but a traditional set up will have to do. hopefully there is enough cap there to run a good lot of reps on the repairer.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Spungwa
cheers for that, goes to show how much time i had spent looking at it, i didnt even see it had drone space. my main reason for buying it was to use for EW clearly it cant do that and still ge blasters on, but a traditional set up will have to do. hopefully there is enough cap there to run a good lot of reps on the repairer.
Because of the MWD bonus, you actually end up with more capacitor once you fit a microwarpdrive, depending on your skills (and a dev has confirmed it's meant to be like that on ships like the Daredevil and Vigilant).
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowlordUK on 15/11/2005 16:44:36
Not a particularly constructive post but i just thought id point out that faction ships are better tech 1 ships...
As such they will always be worse at pvp then the equivalent tech 2 ships so comparing them to things like inties and af's is kind of pointless...
On the plus side they are usually cheaper and always easier to fly whilst still being better then normal tech 1.
Faction Bs are uber because they are the best tech 1 bs.. When tech 2 bs come out, faction bs will also seem pretty poor in comparison.
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Spungwa
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Posted - 2005.11.15 16:45:00 -
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saw that went up around 33 or 31 points i belive, interesting way of implimenting the bonus, looked like a bug.
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