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Filine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:52:00 -
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if i figure this correctly, 1000m is 1km. so the biggest freighters have over 20 cubic km of space? yet they dont look that big lol. then again this could be another "more shuttlecraft then voyager could hold" deal where one shouldnt ask.
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Skva
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:58:00 -
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Well the biggest industrial hold around 25km¦ iirc.
The biggest freighter holds about 750km¦ I think?
And I don't have the link at hand, but theres a size comparison pic somewhere, but basicly a rifter (t1 minn frig) can be compared to a passenger jet.
So think of that when your in your BS and have a frig flying around you, gives you an idea of scale... :)
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.11.15 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ithildin on 15/11/2005 19:03:56
It's metrics, I belive, to be taken with a pinch of salt. I.e. an arbitrary SI measurement, not actually cubic meters (which'd make a heavy drone the height of a tall human and the size of a projectile bullet smaller than thermos, I believe)
Also, I clocked the Throax to be something like 500 meters in length.
Edit: the biggest hold is slightly smaller than a thousandth (1/1000) cubic kilometer, since it is a three dimensional measurement (1 cubic kilometer = 1km*1km*1km = 1000m*1000m*1000m = 1,000,000,000 m¦)
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Nata Tereshkova
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nata Tereshkova on 15/11/2005 19:02:14
20 cubic km = 20,000,000,000 m3 No ship holds that much. The biggest freighter only holds 785000 m3.
Also, 1,000,000 m3 = 100m * 100m * 100m. So it seems reasonable that a freighter can hold that much.
I can't explain Voyager though. 
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Filine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:12:00 -
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i knew i did bad math somewhere, but still 780,000M3 is alot of trunk space, heck amazingly something with a bigger hold then a 1950s Cadillac.........
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:16:00 -
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780,000m3 = 92 meters on a side. Not that big.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:18:00 -
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if you think hold sizes are bad... how does a large projectile ammo fit into both an 800mm AC and a 1400 mm howitzer.
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Filine
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Posted - 2005.11.15 19:59:00 -
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 Originally by: SengH
if you think hold sizes are bad... how does a large projectile ammo fit into both an 800mm AC and a 1400 mm howitzer.
maybe its a Discarding SABOT like the US Abrams tank fires, so the propellent charge is bigger in the 1200mm then the 800 but the impacting projectile is the same size. more velocity offers more damage from the same mass round.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:10:00 -
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yeah the ships in this game are horribly out of scale.... :( they fixed stations but left everythin else the same! ;;p
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.11.15 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
if you think hold sizes are bad... how does a large projectile ammo fit into both an 800mm AC and a 1400 mm howitzer.
That's ALWAYS bothered me.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.11.15 21:39:00 -
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/me enters conspiracy mode
But then again, it only states that its a "Large Projectile", doesnt say how big it really is...
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Qalten
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Posted - 2005.11.15 21:48:00 -
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Edward Black
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Finix Jaeger
/me enters conspiracy mode
But then again, it only states that its a "Large Projectile", doesnt say how big it really is...
Well id say: 1400mm = 140cm = 1.4m
So therefore it has a diameter of 1.4metres and so therefore the ammo must be the same or similar size.
Imgine being hit by that 
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2005.11.15 22:53:00 -
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Its not the ships, its the cargo holds. They need to up the sizes, or at least they would need to for them to be realistic. Think whoever came up with it wasn't thinking in 3D. Its all cubed. So that Mammoth that has apparent cargo hold space of about 600m x 100m x 50m should hold a LOT more(3,000,000m^3). (note those are rough, conservative numbers.)
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Fyodor Dost
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:07:00 -
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Whats really funny with the large projectiles is thier dimensions and masses. If you look at the info section 1 L carbonized lead round is 1 Kg and .08 m3. If its 1400 mm diameter, that makes it 5 cm thick for that volume. And with a mass of 1 Kg for .08 m3 it has a density of 12.5 kg/m3 which is a little more than 1% the density of water.
So a 1400 arti shoots a 1.4m diameter 5 cm thick disk at you that is about the same density of styrofoam. Amazingly effective styrofoam :)
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Target27
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:10:00 -
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Actually just checked, styrofoam has a density of 30 kg/m3 so large projectiles are about 1/3 the weight of styrofoam.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:12:00 -
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O.o styrofoam that can go through 16m of armor plating O.o
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Exekias
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
O.o styrofoam that can go through 16m of armor plating O.o
1600mm = 1.6m plate. Foam killed the space shuttle. 1.6 m, however, that's a hell of a lot thicker than the shuttle's skin.
I guess it would depend on the velocity of the projectile. Anyway, I try not to think about such things in game. It seems to spoil the fun.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Exekias
Originally by: SengH
O.o styrofoam that can go through 16m of armor plating O.o
1600mm = 1.6m plate. Foam killed the space shuttle. 1.6 m, however, that's a hell of a lot thicker than the shuttle's skin.
I guess it would depend on the velocity of the projectile. Anyway, I try not to think about such things in game. It seems to spoil the fun.
Well Kinetic Energy = 1/2 * M * V^2
Railgun ammo I can see being less than a kilogram, as it travels at insane speeds, but projectile ammo is supposed to be much slower.
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Exekias
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Railgun ammo I can see being less than a kilogram, as it travels at insane speeds, but projectile ammo is supposed to be much slower.
Agreed; it doesn't make a great deal of sense. But then neither does FTL travel.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.15 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Exekias
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Railgun ammo I can see being less than a kilogram, as it travels at insane speeds, but projectile ammo is supposed to be much slower.
Agreed; it doesn't make a great deal of sense. But then neither does FTL travel.
That actually has a backstory explanation.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.16 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Exekias
BTW, Dark, is this what hijacking a thread feels like? 
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Exekias
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Posted - 2005.11.16 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Exekias
Agreed; it doesn't make a great deal of sense. But then neither does FTL travel.
That actually has a backstory explanation.
Thanks, I never bothered to look at that backstory too much. I'll have something else to do at work now besides read forums.
After reading that, however, FTL travel in Eve makes even less sense to me now. It is such a common convention in science fiction I personally have just accepted it, along with visible laser beams, matter transporters and cloaking devices. I'd be interested to hear what a physicist thought of Eve's FTL travel explanation.
BTW, Dark, is this what hijacking a thread feels like?
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.11.16 00:51:00 -
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To reply to the OP, the ships in Eve are bigger than you think. It's difficult to judge because you have no basis of comparison, no frame of reference to judge the scale. Plus, the way the camera works makes the difference in size difficult to discern when you transition between a frigate and a BS for example - they both seem to be the same size.
As a rough guide, a frigate is about the same size as a Boeing 747, a cruiser is bigger than most ships in RL, and an Apoc is something like 1.5km in length.
This is j0sephine's awesome comparison chart:Clicky
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Montero
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Posted - 2005.11.16 00:57:00 -
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size chart:
http://freestate-graphics.neostrada.pl/eve_chart-4096.jpg
freighters are really really big.
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Montero
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Posted - 2005.11.16 01:03:00 -
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beaten to it :\
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Idara
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Posted - 2005.11.16 02:00:00 -
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What's it called? Planck Field Generator?
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.11.16 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
What's it called? Planck Field Generator?
Ah yes! Forgotten about those! Aren't they how those stations manage to fit so many ships inside them?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.16 12:59:00 -
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well when the CCP take the nerf bat to things sci fi usually goes out the window
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.16 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 16/11/2005 13:02:04
1m¦=1m*1m*1m
1km¦=1km*1km*1km=1000m*1000m*1000m¦ therefore 1km¦=1 000 000 000 m¦=1 bil m¦
so if a freighter has 750 000m¦ that is 0.075km¦ cargo space
funny that the school of applied knowledge would not include basic mathematics
edit: kk, it has been said about 20 times allready...
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