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Lucas Raholan
Rebellus Immortales
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:18:00 -
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Quote:NEW CALDARI GÇô The Chief Executive Panel has released a statement calling Tibus Heth GÇ£the leader of a terrorist insurgency against the Caldari StateGÇ¥ and has removed him from the role of State Executor. The decision came after a board vote of the megacorporation CEOs, with Kaalakiota abstaining as Heth, who legally remains Chief Executive, was not present. The seven CEOs unanimously voted against Heth.
Shortly after, the Kaalakiota Corporation board announced that they will be holding a shareholder vote in the coming days to decide on a new leadership strategy. Exercising their powers under corporate law, the board has declared Tibus Heth an outlaw in Kaalakiota territories and vacated the position of CEO. Following the shareholder vote, the board will begin the search and selection process of appointing a new CEO. The Kaalakiota board of directors have been carrying out CEO-level executive functions at the megacorporation since Heth first disappeared from public two weeks ago.
The siege in Haatomo, where Tibus Heth and his insurgents have sealed themselves into a Caldari Constructions station, still shows no signs of progress. The Caldari Navy has declared it is taking a GÇ£wait and seeGÇ¥ approach, as it believes thousands of Caldari Constructions workers may be held captive by heavily-armed terrorists.
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
175
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:20:00 -
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Finally, some sanity. Let's hope they do not repeat their previous mistake. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
525
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:35:00 -
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...
Completely unexpected turn of events for me.
Need my anti-anxiety meds before I get a nervous breakdown.
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Viro Mors Non Est
530
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:43:00 -
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Took them long enough.
He should have been deposed when he started the situation in Haatomo, though, frankly, I think he has done plenty of questionable things before this, and shouldn't have even been allowed to remain in power to get to this point, and KK should have replaced him with a competent businessman years ago (say what you will about his politics and interstellar relations, KK's situation demonstrates the man can't run a company). |
Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.14 22:54:00 -
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As I suggested in another thread, the Caldari State can dispose of Tibus Heth, rescue their staff in Haatomo and completely absolve themselves of consequence.
They merely have to grant him safe passage to Algogille.
The Gallente will cheerfully welcome him. Its what he wants afterall. |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
20
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:01:00 -
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The Disciples of Ston as a neutral, humanitarian organization stand by to offer asylum and shelter to any involved in this conflict. The DSS Safe Harbor is on temporary assignment in Haatomo and is available to house any who are willing to lay down arms and seek shelter. We will not harbor those who wish to continue violence, but will harbor any who wish to disarm themselves and seek protection.
Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh
CEO, DSTON
Provost, DSTON Academic Learning Center |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
472
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:04:00 -
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Power-hungry bastards!
They can't do this!
He is the Hero of the State! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1083
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:05:00 -
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With respects, stay out of State business, Mister Nalthkh.
When they come for Heth, Cold Wind will be two steps behind them - you don't want to put yourself in the position of being there when they do. |
Hamish Grayson
Moon In Scorpio
The Kadeshi
68
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:08:00 -
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A celebration is in order! |
Civ Kado
State Protectorate
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:22:00 -
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This won't end well, but the blood that will be spilled is a necessary sacrifice for the future of the Caldari State.
My crew and I have already stationed our ship in orbit of the station and will await any sign of Heth and his cronies. Mark my words, he will not get out alive. |
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2970
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:25:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:They can't do this!
They just did.
Mane 614
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Coyote Torres
Stormcrows
29
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:30:00 -
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We can celebrate when the peace is restored in Haatomo.
Lets see the job done first.
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Cyrus Alabel
Justified Chaos
16
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Posted - 2013.06.14 23:42:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Power-hungry bastards!
They can't do this!
He is the Hero of the State!
Did you not say yourself that if Heth was removed by the CEP, then you would follow it as the will of the Caldari State? Or is your delusional loyalty to one man only hardening because you're afraid to admit having fallen under the sway of a bloodthirsty sociopath?
Just trying to keep things straight here.
Or do I need to repeat my bit about cognitive dissonance? |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
205
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:00:00 -
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He will not be missed. I am happy for the State despite my opposition to it. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Viro Mors Non Est
533
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:02:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Power-hungry bastards!
They can't do this!
He is the Hero of the State!
What?
The Caldari Executive Panel is the top authority in State affairs. This is EXACTLY the sort of thing they can do. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1083
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:04:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Power-hungry bastards!
They can't do this!
He is the Hero of the State!
Diana, this has been on the cards for months now. Heth was my hero too, as a boy, but as a man I realise the danger he has placed our State in, as a Caldari I understand it is my duty to support the CEP in this and as a Civire I have the strength and the will to do so. |
Naraish Adarn
Fastfood for Fishies
51
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:45:00 -
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Heth was a hero. Now he's not same man anymore his actions prove it as does his words.
i'd hate to be the person who's making the calls in the navy since this has to be one of the tougher ones regardless what the CEP says. |
Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:49:00 -
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Captain Tuulinen I admire your loyalty to the State, commend your statement and I'm Gallente no less. If you are in the station in Haatomo I suggest strongly that you surrender immediately to the CEP forces outside. I'm sure that you would not be alone in thinking that you no longer owe any loyalty to Tibus Heth as he is no longer State Executor. You might be wise to engineer a mass breakout of similarly minded Captains that remain in there with you.
Caldari justice will recognise your loyalty to the State and (most likely) grant an amnesty. This like all things remains in the hands of the Caldari themselves.
Best of luck Captain. |
TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
104
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Posted - 2013.06.15 00:53:00 -
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It looks for sure now there is going to be a showdown. When Heth breaksout of Haatomo and makes a stand i will fight along side him. There are pilots who will be on the side of the CEP who i will not be able to shoot at, even though they will probably shoot at me.
It will be a bloody day for sure!
May the Mountain Winds protect us and all that are deserving of being saved. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
562
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:00:00 -
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Heth achieved what we had all wondered after when he first rose to power: he reclaimed Caldari Prime. I remember the jubilation, I remember sharing in it. But Heth also lost us Caldari Prime, and wished to burn it.
His glory has ended. The CEP's decision is regrettable, but not because it isn't deserved; it's regrettable because we wish that Heth remained deserving.
My marines on Haatomo have linked up with the State security forces on the station. Soon, we'll see this through, and we'll see the next day. |
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Sepherim
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
465
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Posted - 2013.06.15 01:51:00 -
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This may be the bloody bath of a new, and hopefully prosperous, future. Heth won't go away quietly, that's sure, but a new State is rising again, one closer to their traditions and laws. May the pain be brief, and the following joy long.
Sepherim Catillah
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant
Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
134
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:08:00 -
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Final prototyping for Unit Commune infantry scale combat drones has begun.
Internal ECCM modules 82% effective.
ETA for completion of initial models 42 hours.
Should our aid be requested we are prepared to deploy these forces, pending CEP / CN approval.
We Return.
Unit XS365BT.
Designated Communications Officer.
Unit Commune. |
Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
51
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:13:00 -
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Ready? Set? Race for the the power vacuum!
The aftermath of this turn of events should be interesting to watch.
Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech
Warrant Officer
The Synenose Accord |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly
433
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:28:00 -
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If this weren't so sad it would be amusing.
Heth is the same man he was.
He has not changed, only your perceptions of him have.
As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.
Wrap yourselves in your illusions of duty and honor if you will, but the worst lies we tell are to ourselves.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
563
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:36:00 -
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Mr. Syagrius, our duty is to the State. Heth no longer serves the State. I see no illusion here; merely the rejection of a man whose moment of glory is long past.
Would you not set aside a broken tool? And would you not discard it if it tried to cut you? |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
264
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Posted - 2013.06.15 02:43:00 -
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In the true spirit of the Gallente Mr Syagrius still serves every president that was ever elected...
It is very unfortunate that the man that gave us all hope and lead us back on our true path now does not have the courage to act like a great man should in his situation.
He was my hero for many years... No matter how this ends, I'll always remember the man he was.
Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com
My EVE YouTube Vids (most recent):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2alSWxXQbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEzNNYSlDE |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
214
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Posted - 2013.06.15 03:44:00 -
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This is disappointing, but expected. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1691
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Posted - 2013.06.15 04:12:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:... only your perceptions of him have.
As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.
...
No, they have not; and no I was not.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
395
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Posted - 2013.06.15 04:27:00 -
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My best wishes to the Caldari Navy and the Home Guard in a swift and decisive action in ensuring resolution of bringing the criminal terrorist, Tibus Heth, and his followers of violent dissidents and insurgents to justice with minimal loss of life to the innocent in Haatamo.
For it is only the enemies of the State who deserve to be treated without mercy or compassion. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
343
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Posted - 2013.06.15 05:37:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Power-hungry bastards!
They can't do this!
He is the Hero of the State!
The problem with heroes, Ms Kim, is that they rarely turn out to be all that they are purported to be.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
285
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Posted - 2013.06.15 05:37:00 -
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So, he's now a marked man in the State, as well as the Federation. Stuck between a rock and a hard place, huh?
I'm glad I purchased some celebratory alcohol a couple of weeks ago, I'll hopefully have the chance to use it soon. Remember, we party once he's a corpse.
Glory |
Felsusguy
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
279
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Posted - 2013.06.15 06:09:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:He is the Hero of the State!
I can believe that. Even Ultraman was a terrorist from time to time.
How droll. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1163
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Posted - 2013.06.15 08:28:00 -
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Now this will end how it should have ended five years ago during uprising at the Caldari Constructions facility in the Piak system. |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
63
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Posted - 2013.06.15 08:28:00 -
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Please try to run. I would love to find you myself.
The most important thing now is to watch what happens in the State next. Heth is now just a loose end that will get snipped one way or another. |
Gustav Kleist
Spline Inc. v3.14
19
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Posted - 2013.06.15 10:49:00 -
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A statement long expected and needed. At last this will clear out any possible misconception about Tibus Heth having any legitimate authority over State, Kaalakiota or Caldari Constructions assets. Any one choosing to side with him now against the Navy and the CEP will have no excuse whatsoever, and will be effectively guilty of treason.
However much one would like to hope that the situation in Haatomo will be resolved peacefully, the facts that the Templis Dragonaurs have taken hostages and have access to capital ships inside the station indicate that this situation will escalate further still.
Every effort to ensure that all those responsible are brought to justice must be taken. If the requirement for this is a fratricidal combat outside Haatomo station, or anywhere in the cluster indeed, the responsibility, mr Heth, is on your shoulders. You pledged allegiance once to the State. Yet now you lead an armed insurrection against it, at the head of a terrorist group.
Men have gone to the Tea-Maker for lesser offenses. Do be a man. Take your tea and spare the loss of many loyal citizens to the State in a battle you cannot hope to win. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
554
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Posted - 2013.06.15 12:15:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:James Syagrius wrote:... only your perceptions of him have.
As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.
... No, they have not; and no I was not.
To be honest you were probably one of the few that were not... |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
906
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Posted - 2013.06.15 12:30:00 -
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A word of warning. You've backed Heth into a corner. I know his type, that's where they fight hardest.
He still has loyalists, and he still draws breath. |
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2013.06.15 12:34:00 -
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Didn't expect it at all.
Pleasantly surprised.
Come on Diana. Heth isn't a leader. |
Coyote Torres
Stormcrows
30
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Posted - 2013.06.15 12:46:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:
He has not changed, only your perceptions of him have.
As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.
Wrap yourselves in your illusions of duty and honor if you will, but the worst lies we tell are to ourselves.
I'm not sure where you get that from but, whatever, I'll bite.
Heth never had much support from State capsuleers.
Just because there's something broken with the executive didn't mean that State loyalists were going to up and leave their homes in some kind of petulant protest. Instead they very sensibly kept their mouths shut, and did what they could to reduce the harm done from the inside.
Change was only ever going to come from within the State.
Lyn Farel wrote:To be honest you were probably one of the few that were not...
A personal question if I can, Farel - What is it you hope to gain out of showing up to discussions like this? If you're not cherry picking off the back of somebody else's arguments, you're trying to take some kind pseudo-moral high ground only you appear to understand. What's it all about? Answers in a mail if you're feeling generous, there's no reason to derail this discussion.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
288
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Posted - 2013.06.15 14:48:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:A word of warning. You've backed Heth into a corner. I know his type, that's where they fight hardest.
He still has loyalists, and he still draws breath.
Nothing worth doing is ever easy.
Glory |
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Endeavour Starfleet
864
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Posted - 2013.06.15 15:42:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Power-hungry bastards!
They can't do this!
He is the Hero of the State!
He led the state to ruin. The hero was the one who he forced to death for not killing countless innocents on Caldari Prime.
It's OVER! The faster Heth and the few supporters like you he has left realize this. The better things will be for the state you claim to serve. Then again I fully expect once he tries to break out of that station we will see you attempt fruitlessly to do something to distract the forces stopping him before being arrested for treason. |
Nur AlHuda
Callide Vulpis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
14
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Posted - 2013.06.15 15:54:00 -
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Oh caldari they tend to break so easily under pressure and loose. (cal-gal war, gallente faction occupied territories, caldari prime). No wonder that gallente can have knives near your necks all the time. No pride, no self respect - everythink can be calculated to the last cent even loyality.
If Heth looses the siege i predict complete breakdown of caldari forces and suing for peace with gallente. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1088
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Posted - 2013.06.15 16:13:00 -
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Sorjat wrote:Captain Tuulinen I admire your loyalty to the State, commend your statement and I'm Gallente no less. If you are in the station in Haatomo I suggest strongly that you surrender immediately to the CEP forces outside. I'm sure that you would not be alone in thinking that you no longer owe any loyalty to Tibus Heth as he is no longer State Executor. You might be wise to engineer a mass breakout of similarly minded Captains that remain in there with you.
Caldari justice will recognise your loyalty to the State and (most likely) grant an amnesty. This like all things remains in the hands of the Caldari themselves.
Best of luck Captain.
Oh no, Captain, I've been against Heth since he started running roughshod over the rights of the corporations and the traditions of our ancestors. I WILL be in Haatomo when the final showdown comes, but it will be to aid the CEP and Caldari Navy forces. |
DutchGunner
Emphebion Emperium
12
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Posted - 2013.06.15 16:38:00 -
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As the DED has declared this as being an internal affair of the State, I will not take any action, except occasional observation and enforcing the CONCORD regulations.
Should the State ask for additional support, I am more then willing to assist in ending the current situation in the Haatomo station. With hopefully no loss of life but at the very least the absolute minimum.
I hope the people onboard the station are not suffering. |
Larissa Newport
The Emperors Talons
12
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:10:00 -
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I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.
Long live The State!
-- Chaos always wins, it is simply better organized. |
Civ Kado
State Protectorate
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:16:00 -
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Larissa Newport wrote:I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.
Long live The State!
Good one. Been a while since I had a good laugh. |
Larissa Newport
The Emperors Talons
13
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:54:00 -
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Civ Kado wrote:Larissa Newport wrote:I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.
Long live The State! Good one. Been a while since I had a good laugh.
You are laughing at a great strategist, consider the following:
I'm still very impressed how long he (and CEO's of other Patriot Corporations) could keep an entire Region (Black Rise) cloaked for us and the rest of the Empires until YC110. A good headstart in that Region was found by the Patriots to exploit the resources to an extent that there was even discussion within CEP if that region shouldn't become a Fourth District within the State. Now that was the moment I considered the impact of that new expansion and funds could lead to something great. And it did. Caldari Prime.
He's in my eyes one of the greatest strategists and CEO's by actually implementing his plans backed by self found expansions and funds during a substantial period. The State is better off then when he started. We are stronger and larger, we know Caldari Prime is not unreachable.
We only have failed to find the funds to continue a war of attrition. It is this failure that CEP holds against Heth. Heth tried to correct it by restructuring some subsidiaries of KK, but that was not enough. It could never have been enough. The Federation is financially stronger than the Patriots are alone, we have felt it yet again. Divided by vile Federation poliics. But biting that penny is yet again a firm reminder that the State is all of our corporations!
I hope CEP will choose a new executor that makes our bond stronger than ever, we cannot survive without it.
-- Chaos always wins, it is simply better organized. |
iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
81
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:08:00 -
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Larissa Newport wrote:Civ Kado wrote:Larissa Newport wrote:I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.
Long live The State! Good one. Been a while since I had a good laugh. You are laughing at a great strategist, consider the following: I'm still very impressed how long he (and CEO's of other Patriot Corporations) could keep an entire Region (Black Rise) cloaked for us and the rest of the Empires until YC110. A good headstart in that Region was found by the Patriots to exploit the resources to an extent that there was even discussion within CEP if that region shouldn't become a Fourth District within the State. Now that was the moment I considered the impact of that new expansion and funds could lead to something great. And it did. Caldari Prime. He's in my eyes one of the greatest strategists and CEO's by actually implementing his plans backed by self found expansions and funds during a substantial period. The State is better off then when he started. We are stronger and larger, we know Caldari Prime is not unreachable. We only have failed to find the funds to continue a war of attrition. It is this failure that CEP holds against Heth. Heth tried to correct it by restructuring some subsidiaries of KK, but that was not enough. It could never have been enough. The Federation is financially stronger than the Patriots are alone, we have felt it yet again. Divided by vile Federation poliics. But biting that penny is yet again a firm reminder that the State is all of our corporations! I hope CEP will choose a new executor that makes our bond stronger than ever, we cannot survive without it.
Wait... What... I can't...
The level of ignorance being shown here is astounding.
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
62
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:28:00 -
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Larissa Newport wrote:
You are laughing at a great strategist, consider the following:
I'm still very impressed how long he (and CEO's of other Patriot Corporations) could keep an entire Region (Black Rise) cloaked for us and the rest of the Empires until YC110.
Up to YC110, Heth was an MTAC Operator. He became KK's CEO and almost immediately, the existence of Black Rise became public knowledge.
I'm frankly unimpressed with his abilities at concealment that you are highlighting. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
554
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:07:00 -
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Coyote Torres wrote:James Syagrius wrote:
He has not changed, only your perceptions of him have.
As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.
Wrap yourselves in your illusions of duty and honor if you will, but the worst lies we tell are to ourselves.
I'm not sure where you get that from but, whatever, I'll bite. Heth never had much support from State capsuleers. Just because there's something broken with the executive didn't mean that State loyalists were going to up and leave their homes in some kind of petulant protest. Instead they very sensibly kept their mouths shut, and did what they could to reduce the harm done from the inside. Change was only ever going to come from within the State.
I know, but I seem to recall that most State capsuleers cheered for the retaking of Caldari Prime back in time, that is all.
I am sorry that you feel that it is taking some kind of moral high ground. |
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
441
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:49:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Coyote Torres wrote:James Syagrius wrote:
He has not changed, only your perceptions of him have.
As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.
Wrap yourselves in your illusions of duty and honor if you will, but the worst lies we tell are to ourselves.
I'm not sure where you get that from but, whatever, I'll bite. Heth never had much support from State capsuleers. Just because there's something broken with the executive didn't mean that State loyalists were going to up and leave their homes in some kind of petulant protest. Instead they very sensibly kept their mouths shut, and did what they could to reduce the harm done from the inside. Change was only ever going to come from within the State. I know, but I seem to recall that most State capsuleers cheered for the retaking of Caldari Prime back in time, that is all. I am sorry that you feel that it is taking some kind of moral high ground.
Heth did things many can agree with. He also went mad with power it seems. |
John Caligan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:01:00 -
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Personally, I've never agreed with Heth. I've always taken a moderate approach, and a profit approach. Why do we need Caldari Prime, really? It serves the State no purpose but to be a propaganda piece and a constant burden on resources. Personally, I would rather that Leviathan had fired it's weapons in-atmosphere, the whole damn problem gone in one fell swoop. The humanitarian side I could care less for- leave that to the Gallente, who seem to have this odd desire to sing Kumbaya whenever someone feels in the least bit oppressed, but that's a debate for another time.
What matters now is that the State has finally learned that there is a difference between passion and prosperity, and has decided that Heth has by choosing the former, almost doomed us to never again experience the latter. I personally have moved a combat vessel to Haatomo, and I hope that other Caldari pilots will see this as I do, as an opportunity to show their Patriotism, and bring their ships to support the neutralization of the menace known as Tibus Heth.
That said, I do say neutralize, rather than eliminate, because I believe the best course of action is not to simply kill the man, but to have him taken into custody to face trial at an international war crimes court, so that he can answer for his crimes.
Then, we should stone him to death, because that **** makes sense. |
Coyote Torres
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Posted - 2013.06.16 10:46:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:
I know, but I seem to recall that most State capsuleers cheered for the retaking of Caldari Prime back in time, that is all.
I think you'll find that restoration of the Civire and Deiteis homeworld has been a commitment of the State long before Heth.
I don't think its in any way fair of you to barge into a discussion that doesn't concern you in the slightest and attempt to muddy the waters by painting anybody that initially celebrated the possible restoration of their freaking homeworld as shoulder to shoulder with Heth and the dragonaurs.
It was an unsustainable action that cost the State dearly, and imposed intolerable conditions on people on the surface of Caldari Prime. There's a lot that still needs fixing down there, it cost Admiral Yanala her life to start setting right all the damage Heth did, and put us onto a course where we can continue to negotiate a solution to Caldari Prime that's acceptable to most everyone.
Now he's on the way out, we've got an opportunity to do this right.
Lyn Farel wrote:
I am sorry that you feel that it is taking some kind of moral high ground.
Apology accepted, the door is over there. |
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