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Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:02:00 -
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I like how some Gallentees in this thread could not help but express their disappointment in the Sebiestior justice system. Compare to Anvent Eturrer I'll say that his death sounded more humane.
He got a trial and was found guilty and was given a quick death. I'm guessing you guys must be irate because we did not made it into a public spectacle for all to see like you have done in the past (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Twodeaths.jpg).
Here are my reference: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Anvent_Eturrer,&http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Two_Deaths_(Chronicle).
Sorry but the Sebiestior's and yours are but two different systems.
About him returning to the Federation, was the agreement that the Federation had with the Repubic that he should be return back alive?. No I am not talking about what that senator said. What I mean is that was there a signed agreement between the Republic & the Federation?. Also there is nothing from the article that stated that the body of Broteau wont be return to the Federation.
Honestly stop beating a dead horse. Everyone and the mother had to know that the moment that this man was handed over to the Republic that he was dead man. Even a mentally ******** person would know that!. Hell even your current President and Blaque must have known that. If you didn't want him dead , 'logic' would imply that you kept him in the Federation. I mean it is the only logical thing to do if you expected this outcome but did not wish it. But if the Federation did not want this outcome but still pursue said action and act surprise when their prediction came true. Well that would be dumb.
In my opinion, I do not think that the Federation would be that dumb. So therefore, based on what I said earlier , I would presume that the Federation was fully aware that he was a DEAD man.
If not, well the Feds are [insert your own words here]....
By the way, anyone knows how long did the trial for Anvent Eturrer lasted?. If you do please let me know , and also if possible provide me with a proper source or reference or proof. Thank you. I will be grateful.
Have a nice day! |
Cyrus Alabel
Justified Chaos
19
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Posted - 2013.06.15 20:16:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Another gallentean died. What could be better?
And if I said, "Another Caldari died, what could be better?" about a certain admiral, or a certain terrorist, you would be frothing at the mouth about how I'm just another Gallentean devil insulting good, honest Caldari, or somesuch nonsense. |
Rioghal Morgan
Full Artificial Intelligence
5
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:16:00 -
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I'm glad he's dead.
Too bad the Republic murdered tens of thousands of allied citizens and spit on our century old alliance in the process of getting him though. |
Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
49
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:43:00 -
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I am disgusted by this news. What was the point of standing firm against a Minmatar fleet invading Gallente space if you were only going to hand over the prisoner and allow him to be executed? Fly Caldari! |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
565
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:54:00 -
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All else aside, I commend the Republic of its efficiency in this matter.
I can only assume that all available intelligence had already been extracted by FIO operatives, and the Republic saw no further need for interrogation. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
913
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Posted - 2013.06.15 22:10:00 -
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Aurora Fatalis wrote:This wasn't justice. This was vengeance.
There's a difference? |
Steffanie Saissore
Order of the Ebon Rose
35
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Posted - 2013.06.15 22:46:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Steffanie Saissore wrote:Unfortunately, there was a promise that the criminal would be returned to the Federation. Now, I am not privy to the exact wording of the agreement, but I believe the expectation from the Federation was that he be returned alive. Then the Federation had poor expectations. This was an appropriate punishment. .
I do not disagree with the punishment. I merely have an issue in how it was all carried out "When we are young, wandering the face of the Earth, wondering what our dreams might be worth, learning that we're only immortal for a limited time." |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
74
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Posted - 2013.06.16 00:03:00 -
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Derek Quaid wrote:I like what you did there, Tyrathlion:
"You're not flavor of the month anymore, but now that I've gotten my word in, let's not discuss it further."
Crafty.
Technically I was referring to our failed attempt to eliminate the technovermin eighty years ago. I just have no interest in getting into an argument with the toasters about it, and nor is it on topic. |
Blaise Cadelanne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 00:23:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Alexis Valentyne wrote:This says more about the Republic than we realize. Following their initial invasion in Federation space, they've further undermined the Federation with his execution. He was sent there on the understanding that he would be returned. Perhaps they are more than happy to sever all ties. They will find themselves with few allies. The Federation will be more than happy to sever ties to a rouge nation and enjoy the benefits of reduced strain with the Amarr while also enjoying their ability to work with the Caldari now that Heth is no longer screwing everything up. If the Amarr press this advantage the Republic can count of folks like me and many others in Federation NOT offering even a single isk of support.
The Republic definitely mishandled the situation, which makes their position all the weaker with the Federation. The Amarr will press this advantage while public opinion is against the Republic. "All those men that have fallen in the fight, and borne wounds and toil unto death...are come to Odin in Valhalla." GÇöThe Prose Edda |
Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:40:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Aurora Fatalis wrote:This wasn't justice. This was vengeance. There's a difference? Never has been, never will be.
While I was pleased to learn of the death of the race traitor and Amarr-appeaser and apologist Midular, and equally pleased to see the swiftness with which the Sebiestor acted, I do not approve of this man's execution... Midular is the one who should've been tried and executed, years ago, for crimes against our people.
This bold soul did us a service, snuffing out Midular and a handful of others unworthy of their Blood and Heritage. |
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
216
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:09:00 -
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Havohej wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Aurora Fatalis wrote:This wasn't justice. This was vengeance. There's a difference? Never has been, never will be. While I was pleased to learn of the death of the race traitor and Amarr-appeaser and apologist Midular, and equally pleased to see the swiftness with which the Sebiestor acted, I do not approve of this man's execution... Midular is the one who should've been tried and executed, years ago, for crimes against our people. This bold soul did us a service, snuffing out Midular and a handful of others unworthy of their Blood and Heritage.
It is very disrespectful to speak in such a way of a Ray of Matar. Chief Midular was a noble woman and an example for everyone else to look up to. Her loss is a tragedy, as is the loss of all the others that died that day. |
Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 02:56:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Havohej wrote: Never has been, never will be.
While I was pleased to learn of the death of the race traitor and Amarr-appeaser and apologist Midular, and equally pleased to see the swiftness with which the Sebiestor acted, I do not approve of this man's execution... Midular is the one who should've been tried and executed, years ago, for crimes against our people.
This bold soul did us a service, snuffing out Midular and a handful of others unworthy of their Blood and Heritage.
It is very disrespectful to speak in such a way of a Ray of Matar. Be that as it may...
Quote: Chief Midular was a noble woman and an example for everyone else to look up to. Yes, let us all make excuses for the slaver, buy time for the slaver politically, obstruct the military might of the People from attacking the Empire and its lap dogs in Derelik and in the State. Let's all turn our noses up at true Matar culture and tradition while encouraging the Gallente-ization of our youths, spitting on what it means to be the Ray of Matar. Let us do all that we can to castrate the Tribes' councils and promote Gallentean democracy over our own Tribal structure. Let's all forget what it is to be Minmatar. ...if we ever knew at all. Let us all follow Karin Midular's example!
Quote: Her loss is a tragedy, as is the loss of all the others that died that day. Only if by "tragedy" you mean "best thing to happen to the Matari People since the Uprising.
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Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.06.16 03:48:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Another gallentean died. What could be better?
Your haircut looks ridiculous.
On a more mature note, I'm a little disappointed in how this turned out. You'd think that a people as varied and complex as the Minmatar would punish Broteau in a more profound and meaningful way than death by firing squad. To me, this outcome makes the squabble and conflict over who gets to prosecute his crimes all for nothing. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech Warrant Officer The Synenose Accord |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1530
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Posted - 2013.06.16 08:34:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:The swiftness of the trial and particularly the execution is unusual inside the Republic...]
Hang on, I just knocked my drink over from laughing so hard.
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
555
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Posted - 2013.06.16 09:53:00 -
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Havohej wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Havohej wrote: Never has been, never will be.
While I was pleased to learn of the death of the race traitor and Amarr-appeaser and apologist Midular, and equally pleased to see the swiftness with which the Sebiestor acted, I do not approve of this man's execution... Midular is the one who should've been tried and executed, years ago, for crimes against our people.
This bold soul did us a service, snuffing out Midular and a handful of others unworthy of their Blood and Heritage.
It is very disrespectful to speak in such a way of a Ray of Matar. Be that as it may... Quote: Chief Midular was a noble woman and an example for everyone else to look up to. Yes, let us all make excuses for the slaver, buy time for the slaver politically, obstruct the military might of the People from attacking the Empire and its lap dogs in Derelik and in the State. Let's all turn our noses up at true Matar culture and tradition while encouraging the Gallente-ization of our youths, spitting on what it means to be the Ray of Matar. Let us do all that we can to castrate the Tribes' councils and promote Gallentean democracy over our own Tribal structure. Let's all forget what it is to be Minmatar. ...if we ever knew at all. Let us all follow Karin Midular's example! Quote: Her loss is a tragedy, as is the loss of all the others that died that day. Only if by "tragedy" you mean "best thing to happen to the Matari People since the Uprising.
I have not seen you for ages. You sound like a certain amount of years have passed and you did not notice... |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
475
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Posted - 2013.06.16 12:19:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Another gallentean died. What could be better? I like your hair.
Nicolas Merovech wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Another gallentean died. What could be better? Your haircut looks ridiculous. Gallenteans... they are always so relevant... in their own unique gallentean way. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2984
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Posted - 2013.06.16 12:34:00 -
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While Provists desperately seek to make every single thread relevant to their own delusional beliefs since the Caldari State they gutted and betrayed is rapidly making them irrelevant. Mane 614
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
2
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Posted - 2013.06.16 15:08:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote: I have not seen you for ages. You sound like a certain amount of years have passed and you did not notice...
There wasn't much in the way of news at the prison colony... And I spent most of my ISK on evading a life sentence, so bribery was sadly out of the question.
That said, the more things change, the more they stay the same. I can't imagine Midular atoning for all of her sins, nor can I see the Federation as anything but poisonous to the welfare of the People.
I will hold fast to my worldview. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
198
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:05:00 -
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Havohej wrote:nor can I see the Federation as anything but poisonous to the welfare of the People.
As I see the Republic, poisonous to the welfare of the Federation.
I believe we understand one another. Let us hope we are both successful. Bio and writing |
Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
2
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Posted - 2013.06.16 17:14:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote: As I see the Republic, poisonous to the welfare of the Federation.
I believe we understand one another. Let us hope we are both successful.
Perhaps we can find ways to work together in the near future, if we have certain goals in common, even if for different reasons. I will contact you soon to discuss this. |
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Kueyen
Ananke Astrodynamics Terran Commonwealth
18
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:38:00 -
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Some Federation senators don't seem too happy with the course of events...
Federation expresses dismay at Republic handling of Broteau |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
788
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:06:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Aurora Fatalis wrote:This wasn't justice. This was vengeance. There's a difference?
Maybe, maybe not. But in this case, they synergise quite nicely, don't you think?
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Endeavour Starfleet
874
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:34:00 -
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And it starts. Again I hope those who supported this mockery in the republic are happy. As the cost of added isolation and the label as a rouge nation has done nothing to aid you and has given the Amarr more power over your future than they could ever have dreamed. It is one thing to have alienated your greatest ally and then invade while feeling free to kill federation military in federation space. But it is quite another to do it after we are learning that our Caldari brothers are willing to work with us and not follow the crazed Heth off the cliff.
Who will stand with the Republic after this? |
Arkenai Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1774
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:54:00 -
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Brandi Wiseman wrote:I am disgusted by this news. What was the point of standing firm against a Minmatar fleet invading Gallente space if you were only going to hand over the prisoner and allow him to be executed?
If you meekly hand over a prisoner because someone sent a handful of ships to your border, what message does that send to the other empires? The Federation isn't something that will put up with that kind of thing. Sig'd.-áGallente FW best FW. |
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi Ushra'Khan
353
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:02:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:You're of course right. I am sure the Federation gave the Republic all of the data they had. They have had such a wonderful record of friendly cooperation on this case so far. And there was absolutely nothing more to be learned from the man such as true means or motive. Execution in shorter time then it takes to file proper change of address paperwork doesn't seem at all out of place. Not at all a blatant example of sweeping a problem under the rug as fast as possible.
There were two observers from the Sebiestor Tribe present throughout Broteau's trial. The Tribal court was doubtless well briefed on those proceedings allowing for them to move forward decisively. The man's guilt was clear and well documented, The Sebiestor simply needed to verify those finding and the verdict already passed then move on to sentencing.
There was never any desire among the Minmatar to drag this out into some spectacle. It was simple justice we sought, and now it has been applied. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/
The Jotunn Risi are now recruiting, Brutor ancestry required in order to best represent the Brutor interest.-á Join channel JORIS to learn more! |
Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
2
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:07:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Who will stand with the Republic after this? The Republic must invevitably be destroyed by all of the inoperable cancers that its leadership has allowed the Federation to infect it with. The Republic must die so that the Tribal Empire of Matar can rise once more, forged in the fires of disgrace and defeat, doused in the blood of our fallen brothers and sisters... tempered, stronger and more united than the unsuspecting and peaceful people the Amarr found and enslaved so long ago.
And then, we will come for ours. We will need no one to stand with us. Victory will be a foregone conclusion.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2990
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:48:00 -
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Watch that you don't cut your ship in half with that edge. Mane 614
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
934
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:51:00 -
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I'm afraid this execution lacked a certain dramatic flair we've become used to these last few years.
Firing Squad? so passe.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
56
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:59:00 -
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I applaud Shakor's response to the attacks made by Federation senators. Honestly the democratic system employed by the Federation provides a maddening amount of political opinion ranging from amusing to infuriating. However, if this little spat develops into another conflict, I think an intervention will be required. It appears that capsuleers have to play the part of chiding parents these days and separate the brawling children from one-another. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech Warrant Officer The Synenose Accord |
Endeavour Starfleet
878
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:43:00 -
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Havohej wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Who will stand with the Republic after this? The Republic must invevitably be destroyed by all of the inoperable cancers that its leadership has allowed the Federation to infect it with. The Republic must die so that the Tribal Empire of Matar can rise once more, forged in the fires of disgrace and defeat, doused in the blood of our fallen brothers and sisters... tempered, stronger and more united than the unsuspecting and peaceful people the Amarr found and enslaved so long ago. And then, we will come for ours. We will need no one to stand with us. Victory will be a foregone conclusion.
Defeating the completely different Amarr from so long ago. An Amarr military that has completely changed and is open to new ideas.
Right..... |
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