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Set's Chaos
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.16 05:18:00 -
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I wrote an article here about the late Honeybadger Coalition and the lessons we should learn from it. I listed the sources that allowed me to cite them with links to our chat logs, evemails, or both so you could read through and draw your own conclusions. I think it's an interesting read for anyone who is either in a leadership position now or hopes to be one in the near future.
Furthermore, I'd be interested in what people here have to say about the Honeybadger Coalition or the article. |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.06.16 06:59:00 -
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You interview 15 people and you could only cover a single page? |
Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 07:43:00 -
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the most interesting part of that article was in dot-points and paraphrased. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.16 08:44:00 -
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Ha ha, is TMC so desperate for hits that you're slumming around here as well as Reddit?
Mittens must be preparing to sell it off while it's still on the up. |
Set's Chaos
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.16 16:53:00 -
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The decision to post here was my own, nothing indicative about any of the other writers or the site as a whole. Probably a mistake, but I really would like to reach a wide audience with this article.
As far as the length is concerned, I kept it brief for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that I only asked the same eight questions of everyone. This meant that there was a lot of overlapping answers that could be very easily summarized. Secondly, I'm not James 315 anr I don't write 10 page articles for the sake of 10 page articles. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:17:00 -
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Set's Chaos wrote:The decision to post here was my own, nothing indicative about any of the other writers or the site as a whole. Probably a mistake, but I really would like to reach a wide audience with this article.
As far as the length is concerned, I kept it brief for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that I only asked the same eight questions of everyone. This meant that there was a lot of overlapping answers that could be very easily summarized. Secondly, I'm not James 315 anr I don't write 10 page articles for the sake of 10 page articles.
Fair enough, I'm hardly in a position to throw stones at people for posting here.
I do hope that as you continue to write about Eve you strive to be more objective than TMC has been recently. People reading the TMC articles would think that everything is wonderful in the CFC and Test is falling apart - the state of your SBUs in Fountain tells a very different story:
https://zkb.pleaseignore.com/ship/32250/losses/
I'd wish you luck with your upcoming article "Lessons learned from the late CFC" but I doubt TMC will print it. |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:22:00 -
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It has been stated numerous times we've had the bad timing of war at the same time as E3. And to dig up my go to quote when people start going through the propaganda motions
Not to mention we are stuck in the eternal paradox of replying to people "We will take any good writer, come share your writing skills with us. Smash the propaganda from the inside!"
"NO NOO NOOOO I WON'T BECAUSE PROPAGANDA SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY"
TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3698
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:44:00 -
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The best lesson learned is that if you want to get people together to fight goons, simply be invaded by them. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Set's Chaos
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:14:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Set's Chaos wrote:The decision to post here was my own, nothing indicative about any of the other writers or the site as a whole. Probably a mistake, but I really would like to reach a wide audience with this article.
As far as the length is concerned, I kept it brief for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that I only asked the same eight questions of everyone. This meant that there was a lot of overlapping answers that could be very easily summarized. Secondly, I'm not James 315 anr I don't write 10 page articles for the sake of 10 page articles. Fair enough, I'm hardly in a position to throw stones at people for posting here. I do hope that as you continue to write about Eve you strive to be more objective than TMC has been recently. People reading the TMC articles would think that everything is wonderful in the CFC and Test is falling apart - the state of your SBUs in Fountain tells a very different story: https://zkb.pleaseignore.com/ship/32250/losses/I'd wish you luck with your upcoming article "Lessons learned from the late CFC" but I doubt TMC will print it.
I'm happy to hear some people have taken notice of my attempts to be objective. I do everything I can to remain transparent about "who, what and why" to remain credible and give a balanced view. I'll inevitably have a bias for one reason or another, but given my personal history with the military and police, I pride myself in keeping it to a minimum. I was accused of poor timing on Reddit, but explained how he article came to be, and it was pretty well recieved.
And as Robus explained, if you are a competent writer with a different view, apply to TMC. We are always looking to round out our stable of writers. You could also just submit and article or two as a guest submission.
Edit: And when the CFC crumbles, I will most certainly write an article on it. No coalition is forever. Like a George R.R. Martin novel, everyone dies. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.17 07:09:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:
Not to mention we are stuck in the eternal paradox of replying to people "We will take any good writer, come share your writing skills with us. Smash the propaganda from the inside!"
"NO NOO NOOOO I WON'T BECAUSE PROPAGANDA SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY"
You may have good writers but you have bad ones too and you have terrible editors. Selective biased and averse to any content that reflects badly on CFC in general and Mittens in particular.
Good journalism, and sadly that's often lacking in a wider sphere than just Eve sites, demands objectivity. A journalist should be a thorn in the side of those in power, a speaker of unwelcome truths, a role filled in earlier ages by "the King's all-licensed fool."
Now in an Eve war a side demonises the opposition and bigs up your own side. Downplay their triumphs, their success and big up your own.
Being one side of an Eve war, actively metagaming the narrative is not compatible with good unbiased journalism.
I'll give you an example of where you have failed to do this recently but frankly it's the whole war coverage. Anyone reading TMC would be perplexed based on your coverage on why there's still fighting given that CFC is taking sov, Reddit is in civil war and techfleet is besting ahacs while your caracals feast.
Look at this one: http://themittani.com/news/test-holds-firm-against-cfc-saves-j5a
Here's how that actually unfolded.
TEST formed, CFC formed. Battle started in J5A.
Then sensationally PL and NC. cynoed in and started shooting CFC. This is the single most significant moment of the war the unveiling of the support for TEST which had been hinted at but had up till then been hidden. And your reporter either through ignorance or from a desire to downplay it misses this political dimension out completely from her article.
Fair enough, not every humble writer is clued into the complex machinations of nullsec politics but it's hard to believe your editors, people like goon ex-spymasters Endie and Mittani weren't aware that this was a huge huge moment, possibly the turning point of the war.
Next as PL jumped into B-D in their Domis our reliably incompetent bomber FC for the first time in his life managed a perfect bombing run on them, not realising they were friendlies. The new pact almost died in the cot.
After winning the fight on the gate TEST got over aggressive and pursued to the station where carriers decimated our apoc fleet.
After the fight a TEST personality was commissared for bad posting on Kugu by PL and nervous TEST FCs extracted us before things all fell apart.
And your writer missed all of this.
Go read one of Elise's battle reports, then re-read this one again. She's missed all of the politics, all of the tactics and all of the incident.
It is by any measure very poor writing.
But hey it's pro-CFC, it ignores and downplays everything that might worry CFC line members so let's publish it! |
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.17 07:35:00 -
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Callduron wrote:But hey it's pro-CFC, it ignores and downplays everything that might worry CFC line members so let's publish it! This is true, and in the end, anything biased ends up being a parody of itself. Will Fountain be Goonswarm's Waterloo?Read all about it in COAD. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:22:00 -
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Set's Chaos wrote:Edit: And when the CFC crumbles, I will most certainly write an article on it. No coalition is forever. Like a George R.R. Martin novel, everyone dies. I like to think EVE Online will be around at the next turn of the century. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.17 09:18:00 -
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Callduron wrote: Then sensationally PL and NC. cynoed in and started shooting CFC. This is the single most significant moment of the war the unveiling of the support for TEST which had been hinted at but had up till then been hidden. And your reporter either through ignorance or from a desire to downplay it misses this political dimension out completely from her article.
It wasn't some big unveil when everyone was bragging about going to Fountain to shoot goons. Hell, we knew all those guys were there to shoot us before your bomber pilots did. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.17 09:56:00 -
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shepard, not everyone is keyed into the huge complex machinations in null-sec politics of TEST, the ~puppetmasta~ alliance |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.17 10:09:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:shepard, not everyone is keyed into the huge complex machinations in null-sec politics of TEST, the ~puppetmasta~ alliance Puppetmastering is a CFC thing.
We simply have friends of convenience. Most of Eve dislikes the CFC. GSF has cultivated this for many years, and the crop is ripe for harvest. Will Fountain be Goonswarm's Waterloo?Read all about it in COAD. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:37:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Callduron wrote: Then sensationally PL and NC. cynoed in and started shooting CFC. This is the single most significant moment of the war the unveiling of the support for TEST which had been hinted at but had up till then been hidden. And your reporter either through ignorance or from a desire to downplay it misses this political dimension out completely from her article.
It wasn't some big unveil when everyone was bragging about going to Fountain to shoot goons. Hell, we knew all those guys were there to shoot us before your bomber pilots did.
Citation needed.
Rumours were flying but so too were rumours that everyone would dogpile TEST, This was the first proof that PL and NC. would help TEST vs Goons.
You can't spin that away as insignificant. Had they picked your side instead the Fountain campaign would probably be over by now. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:41:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:shepard, not everyone is keyed into the huge complex machinations in null-sec politics of TEST, the ~puppetmasta~ alliance
Sure but she's a journalist writing paid articles on null sec events.
Had she talked to any CFC FC - Laz, Boat, Vee - they would have filled her in on the details of the fight she purports to cover.
But hey she just happened to miss out all details that might make CFC members panic. Just like how TMC just happens not to cover bad news or covers it with a "didn't want that station anyway" spin. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Set's Chaos wrote:Edit: And when the CFC crumbles, I will most certainly write an article on it. No coalition is forever. Like a George R.R. Martin novel, everyone dies. I like to think EVE Online will be around at the next turn of the century.
It's certainly a magnificent game and getting better. |
Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
370
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:48:00 -
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Not being James 315 is a very very good thing GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:21:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Not being James 315 is a very very good thing
I'll grant her that. She does have that in her favour.
Sadly the statement is not true of all TMC contributors. |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:53:00 -
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Set's Chaos wrote:Edit: And when the CFC crumbles, I will most certainly write an article on it. No coalition is forever. Like a George R.R. Martin novel, everyone dies.
Someone promote this guy to a position of leadership!
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Set's Chaos
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.18 06:21:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Berke Negri wrote:shepard, not everyone is keyed into the huge complex machinations in null-sec politics of TEST, the ~puppetmasta~ alliance Sure but she's a journalist writing paid articles on null sec events. Had she talked to any CFC FC - Laz, Boat, Vee - they would have filled her in on the details of the fight she purports to cover. But hey she just happened to miss out all details that might make CFC members panic. Just like how TMC just happens not to cover bad news or covers it with a "didn't want that station anyway" spin.
There have been a couple of articles lately on how the CFC is having a hard time. And there are even more coming. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:32:00 -
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Set's Chaos wrote: There have been a couple of articles lately on how the CFC is having a hard time. And there are even more coming.
Forgive my cynicism but this is simply Mittens realising how badly the recent metagaming is affecting his burgeoning media site. Of course he's after a less biased appearance because his site's become a laughing stock.
And it even more firmly convinces me that he's planning to sell the whole kit n kaboodle off to Joystiq or someone for a 7 figure fee sooner rather than later, preferably before he gets dethroned as King of Space.
Oh and his CEO thing from last night is hilariously bad, explaining that the invasion is going well because it's not actually an invasion it's a moon grab, they didn't want that sov anyway, and (trust him because it can't be verified from Dotlan) they now own half the R64s in Fountain. (hint: they don't). |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.18 11:27:00 -
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Did someone over comms tell you that |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:50:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:Did someone over comms tell you that
Keep drinking that Koolaid buddy, it's not like 3 previous Goon CEOs have taken the money and run... |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:08:00 -
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I guess that'd be an insult from anyone that remembers/been around during the dominion expansion
But from someone not even around for incarna,
Or retribution,
Well I'm sure someone glossed over for you how back in the day goons helped test get like five regions |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:09:00 -
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grr goons |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:21:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:I guess that'd be an insult from anyone that remembers/been around during the dominion expansion
But from someone not even around for incarna,
Or retribution,
Well I'm sure someone glossed over for you how back in the day goons helped test get like five regions
Helping us get regions doesn't count for much if you then change your mind and invade us.
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.06.18 14:21:00 -
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Sorry, are you sure you can even say "us"? |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.06.18 15:22:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:Sorry, are you sure you can even say "us"?
Yup.
<< Check Employment History. Currently in TEST alliance and FCing for them. |
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