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Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
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Posted - 2013.06.17 08:50:00 -
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As a long time Pirate - Explorer who made over 40 Bil ISK in lowsec exploration in last 2 years I have to say I don't like new Exploration system.
CCP changed all things in the subject:
- spawning system, - type of sites that spawn, - spawn rates.
Now how new system works?
- New sites spawn in realtime, not after 2 hours like before.
There is total max ammount of sites that can spawn in constellation. How big is this number? I dont know, but once site is done by player, new one spawn immediately in random system in same constelation, so you can probe the whole system and have a few new sites a few minutes later cuz someone did a few sites elsewere.
- type of sites.
Here is a big nerf CCP did on purpose:
Before Odyssey lowsec was a gold mine when it comes to ISK making from Exploration.
System was fair. If you had balls to risk your pimped ship you were able to make 1-2 Bills every week with relatively small effort by running 4/10 and 5/10 DED plexes and Radar sites when there was nothing better. Average radar were worth 20 - 30 mil ISK each after all. DED plexes were common thing. I did 2-3 every week just in my area.
Exploration after Odyssey.
Now there is plenty of Data and Relic sites in each lowsec system. When I say plenty I mean 3 to 5 sites of that type in every system you will pass through. Might sounds good but it isn't. Really.
Data sites are crappy. Running them takes a lot more time and rewards are joke. Maybe 3 to 5m ISK each. Relic sites seems to be better. They have far better rewards, but are a bit harder to scan too. 10 - 30m ISK on average.
DED plexes becomes very rare now in general with some exeptions.
3/10 - they quite common, but only in Drone version. Thing is Drone version of this plex has NO REWARDS AT ALL. At least i never found anything faction on them.
4/10 seems to spawn very rarely in lowsec but quite offten in hisec. Best plex ever. If you found one - its like 300m ISK will land in your wallet in next 10 minutes - at least, more often is 500-600m as the drop rate was very good! After Odyssey this plex is like Yeti on Sahara. If you found one you dang lucky guy.
5/10 - I always called them BIg Lottery plex. Its has 3 or more pockets, Heavy DPS and webs. Its time consuming to run and can be hard but rewards can be also huge. Most I have found were faction loot worth ~1.6 Bill ISK on a single site. Drop ratios are terribad on it. You can run 6 plexes in a row and find nothing or it can make you a billionare in 30 minutes.
- spawn rates
All changed in this compared to pre Odyssey.
- Data, Relics are very common. There is at least a few of them in every lowsec system. Rewards are poor, not worth the time IMO. I use them only to hunt ppl who come to run them.
- DED plexes became very rare. Before Odyssey I was doing at least 3 of 4/10 or 5/10 plexes per week. After Odyssey Im able to find 1 plex in 2 weeks...
Summary.
New Exploration system is designed for new players. However low skills entry point translates directly to low rewards that can be gained from it. While it can be OK for Hisec exploration - low risk, low ISK, it's definitly not right for lowec exploration where risk is always high. For now Odyssey is a big nerf for lowsec inhabitants IMO. While there is alot more opportunities to find a fight, ISK making is dead or near.
Clarification: All above is written from my point of view. Like I said on start exploration in lowsec made me a multi billionare in relatively short time. While you can think 20m ISK is a good profit for you for 20 minutes of work, for me its 100m+ or I wont touch it even with a stick.
All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |

Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:10:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:exploration in lowsec made me a multi billionare in relatively short time
I think that could have been the point. Solo exploration farmers don't generate content. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |

Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
305
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:28:00 -
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I heard nullsec income nerf, lowsec and hisec incursions too. Also heard wspace income nerf too. We are all getting nerfed, so, it's really a nerf? |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
875
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:56:00 -
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I could have sworn I read this post in GD. Why is it in C&P? I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |

Sissy Sockpuppet
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.06.17 19:02:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:
I cannot use my Tengu in 4/10s any more and I am sad.
Discuss.
Fixed.
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Vile Belief
Transshipment
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:06:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:
Exploration after Odyssey.
Now there is plenty of Data and Relic sites in each lowsec system. When I say plenty I mean 3 to 5 sites of that type in every system you will pass through. Might sounds good but it isn't. Really.
Data sites are crappy. Running them takes a lot more time and rewards are joke. Maybe 3 to 5m ISK each. Relic sites seems to be better. They have far better rewards, but are a bit harder to scan too. 10 - 30m ISK on average.
- Data, Relics are very common. There is at least a few of them in every lowsec system. Rewards are poor, not worth the time IMO. I use them only to hunt ppl who come to run them.
Summary.
New Exploration system is designed for new players. However low skills entry point translates directly to low rewards that can be gained from it.
While it can be OK for Hisec exploration - low risk, low ISK, it's definitly not right for lowec exploration where risk is always high.
For now Odyssey is a big nerf for lowsec inhabitants IMO. While there is alot more opportunities to find a fight, ISK making is dead or near.
I think you greatly devalue what you receive in sites as useless because you're not doing them to utilize what you get for invention or production. You may only be utilizing them to sell on the open market and with the crashing of those prices recently, I can see how they are not as valuable to you.
But to me, someone utilizing what I find in those sites for invention and some Tech II production, it's pretty valuable. I can attain datacores and decryptors to help invent new tech II BPC's that allow me to produce tech II items. More specifically, I can create tech II rigs utilizing the salvaged materials found in those sites regardless if you think they are worth the effort to sell on the market site-per-site. For me, I get a lot of value from them other than traveling to main hubs like Jita to directly buy them rather than mining them as they would say.
Otherwise, it's like you're saying that trit is useless when it's not to a miner because it's only work a few million rather than say, tens of millions or even hundreds of millions. |

Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
29
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:09:00 -
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Of course it's not possible that since exploration was the focus of Odyssey, that more people are out running exploration sites, and thus you are seeing less of the DED's? TBH your numbers are quite off and likely comes from a very small time spent trying to actually find the sites. On a good day I'll find 5 or more good DED's 4/10 + in a small 5-8 jump loop, and about double that in Data/Relic sites, which is pretty much exactly as it was before they released Odyssey. On a bad day, I'll see only one or two DED's and a few hacking sites, but I know that if I come back in a few hours that in all likelihood there will be new ones for me to run.
TL;DR stop whining, it's fine. |

Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
776
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Posted - 2013.06.17 21:21:00 -
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Your Crime was farming, your Punishment was a nerf. What was the issue again? |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2293

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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:08:00 -
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Moved to a better forum this this kind of feedback and suggestions. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
400
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:00:00 -
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Saw the title and was confused. Came suspecting "please nerf lowsec". Who would want to nerf lowsec? Left thinking OP's title is a bit vague. Oh well.
Meanwhile, still waiting for CCP Seagull to deliver on that promise of "developing content that appeals to solo players" alongside all the other playstyles. It's only been one expansion cycle, so I'll keep waiting. |

Colonel Sanderzs
Elite Amarr Navy Academy Varangon Tagma
5
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:15:00 -
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I would like to think it wasn't designed this way, as with more risk in null there should be better rewards. I work with a blue corp in null and since the DEDs have been reduced, many of our members are experiencing a drop in isk which is needed to buy ships, etc to survive in null. We do DED's as groups so this issue is not just a 'solo farmer' issue.
The spawn contents and timers need to be adjusted accordingly.
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
762
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:59:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Xylorn Hasher wrote:exploration in lowsec made me a multi billionare in relatively short time I think that could have been the point. Solo exploration farmers don't generate content.
Solo exploration in disposable throw away ships is what all of Odyssey was about, it is even worse content generation than doing solo fw plexes. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
762
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:01:00 -
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Colonel Sanderzs wrote:I would like to think it wasn't designed this way, as with more risk in null there should be better rewards. I work with a blue corp in null and since the DEDs have been reduced, many of our members are experiencing a drop in isk which is needed to buy ships, etc to survive in null. We do DED's as groups so this issue is not just a 'solo farmer' issue.
The spawn contents and timers need to be adjusted accordingly.
More risk as in going through almost completely empty space in your interdictor bubble proof covert ops tengu snapping up billions without seeing anyone?
This **** about nullsec being more valuable than low sec is dumb, often times the risk is greater in low sec. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
762
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:05:00 -
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Dun'Gal wrote:Of course it's not possible that since exploration was the focus of Odyssey, that more people are out running exploration sites, and thus you are seeing less of the DED's? TBH your numbers are quite off and likely comes from a very small time spent trying to actually find the sites. On a good day I'll find 5 or more good DED's 4/10 + in a small 5-8 jump loop, and about double that in Data/Relic sites, which is pretty much exactly as it was before they released Odyssey. On a bad day, I'll see only one or two DED's and a few hacking sites, but I know that if I come back in a few hours that in all likelihood there will be new ones for me to run.
TL;DR stop whining, it's fine.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/exploration-sites-statistics/
The number of nullsec combat sites being completed is down.
OP is correct https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1821
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:19:00 -
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my theory is that CCP intentionally increased the data/relic site spawn rate for the expansion since they where afraid of threadnaughts of people trying to test new game content but they find none.... so i expect that they will scale it down soon since the gold rush is already over. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |

Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
762
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:22:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:my theory is that CCP intentionally increased the data/relic site spawn rate for the expansion since they where afraid of threadnaughts of people trying to test new game content but they find none.... so i expect that they will scale it down soon since the gold rush is already over. You would think they would have told us that. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1823
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:05:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Bienator II wrote:my theory is that CCP intentionally increased the data/relic site spawn rate for the expansion since they where afraid of threadnaughts of people trying to test new game content but they find none.... so i expect that they will scale it down soon since the gold rush is already over. You would think they would have told us that. why would they? spawn rates are all undocumented. Its exploration after all. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |

Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
45
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:05:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Saw the title and was confused. Came suspecting "please nerf lowsec". Who would want to nerf lowsec? Left thinking OP's title is a bit vague. Oh well.
Meanwhile, still waiting for CCP Seagull to deliver on that promise of "developing content that appeals to solo players" alongside all the other playstyles. It's only been one expansion cycle, so I'll keep waiting.
*Updated to Odyssey* >Spew >Making the only de solo profession in EVE >Murdering Wormhole Mining >Appeal to solo players My sides.jpg |
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