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Stratosfear	Posted - 2005.11.28 22:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Otorp Once a Tech II BPO has been around for ages they should just seed it on the open market, so that everyone can have one. That would soon sort out the ridiculous tech II pricing, because as it currently stands its a Total Shambles. That is ofc too extreme, but they should be given to the highest bidder once a month. At $50b if needed to.
DeGrand	Posted - 2005.11.29 12:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Dark Shikari blabla Why, you ask? Lets say you have an auction of a cap II BPO. Guess who will have the money to bid higher than anyone else? The people who have the cap II BPOs. Under the current system, anyone can get a good BPO with luck. Under an auction system, the BPOs would be completely restricted to the rich only. That, my friend, is why the new system was rejected. It can still work tho..and in time it will. Theres only so much isk to spend afterall..after a couple of auctions with said bpo, the monopoly will be broken because the monopolist ran out of isk from outbidding everyone on the previous auctions. But yeah, afaik the auction-thing is scrapped.
Border201	Posted - 2005.11.29 21:50:00 - [33] Originally by: DeGrand Originally by: Dark Shikari blabla Why, you ask? Lets say you have an auction of a cap II BPO. Guess who will have the money to bid higher than anyone else? The people who have the cap II BPOs. Under the current system, anyone can get a good BPO with luck. Under an auction system, the BPOs would be completely restricted to the rich only. That, my friend, is why the new system was rejected. It can still work tho..and in time it will. Theres only so much isk to spend afterall..after a couple of auctions with said bpo, the monopoly will be broken because the monopolist ran out of isk from outbidding everyone on the previous auctions. But yeah, afaik the auction-thing is scrapped. Not true the Cap II BPO right now makes about 700m profit a day though that is under the 50b extream mark there is still enough of the Cap II's out right now to ensure that someone with the BPO will have the cash to purchase the BPO every month. Originally by: corporal hicks Internet: where men are men, women are men and kids are cops
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Border201 Not true the Cap II BPO right now makes about 700m profit a day though that is under the 50b extream mark there is still enough of the Cap II's out right now to ensure that someone with the BPO will have the cash to purchase the BPO every month. Its more like 432m a day. There's only 8 of them though. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.11.29 23:24:00 - [35] People who say the current t2 bpo system does not work has never had a t2 bpo. Most all the major t2 producers got their first bpo's by purchasing it not getting lucky in an auction. And it is very true that there are only a few bpo's that are very proftiable, most the bpo's do not have great profit compared to the work involved.
Border201	Posted - 2005.11.30 00:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Border201 Not true the Cap II BPO right now makes about 700m profit a day though that is under the 50b extream mark there is still enough of the Cap II's out right now to ensure that someone with the BPO will have the cash to purchase the BPO every month. Its more like 432m a day. There's only 8 of them though. Thats still enough to buy 2 Cap II BPO's per month. Originally by: corporal hicks Internet: where men are men, women are men and kids are cops
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.11.30 01:09:00 - [37] Edited by: Feta Solamnia on 30/11/2005 01:11:55 Edited by: Feta Solamnia on 30/11/2005 01:10:35 bah... the t2 auction scared the bejesus out of me. Yes, there is a point with the current high t2 bpo owners bagging all the good auctions, but there is a very big problem with it. 1) You have to consider the ever-increasing supply of the items through the new bpo's. Then plot it and take an informed guess of the new prices/profit per item. In the long run, with such a system ALL t2 bpo's would become worthless sometime in the future (which may easily come in many years). 2) PANIC! imagine the panic 1 would ensue of an announcement that from now on t2 bpo's will be on auctions 3) People getting **ed. Yes, I know more than one people that have been doing all that tedious and boring thing for a year and more just to get a good start in the t2 business. And it's not just them, many have huge corporations doing the tedious little things for years to get that bpo/s. So in stride the people that have a problem with the current system (I can't say I don't have my own objections too) and suddenly they manage to negate all that hard work. I guess my point is that this system has been going on for too long, people have adjusted to it and took it up the ass to get along with it. You can't go about turning it upside down with such a thing. You can tweak it, yes, but you can't blow the whole thing up. Anyway, I haven't noticed any increased amount of t2 items beeing sold. Yes, there was a very nice increase when the capital ships came in (people cashing in to buy the bpo's), but I think it went back to normals. Mainly small-time prints are being sold, or prints with not such a bright future (WTB: hitman to shoot me for not putting the XL SB on sale when I knew it was going to crash, gawd, there go 20+bil) EDIT: Hey! I can say "ass" in the forums! , but I can't say *, *, *, , s**dly (wtf?), ... Well, that's a start Originally by:** Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.30 01:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Border201 Not true the Cap II BPO right now makes about 700m profit a day though that is under the 50b extream mark there is still enough of the Cap II's out right now to ensure that someone with the BPO will have the cash to purchase the BPO every month. Its more like 432m a day. There's only 8 of them though. How do you know theres only 8? Thought there were meant to be 20 seeded.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.30 01:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Border201 Not true the Cap II BPO right now makes about 700m profit a day though that is under the 50b extream mark there is still enough of the Cap II's out right now to ensure that someone with the BPO will have the cash to purchase the BPO every month. Its more like 432m a day. There's only 8 of them though. How do you know theres only 8? Thought there were meant to be 20 seeded. Nope, a lot of the original T2 BPOs only had 8 BPOs, I believe. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Macdeth	Posted - 2005.11.30 06:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Border201 Not true the Cap II BPO right now makes about 700m profit a day though that is under the 50b extream mark there is still enough of the Cap II's out right now to ensure that someone with the BPO will have the cash to purchase the BPO every month. Its more like 432m a day. There's only 8 of them though. How do you know theres only 8? Thought there were meant to be 20 seeded. Nope, a lot of the original T2 BPOs only had 8 BPOs, I believe. Some dev post a few months ago (few weeks after NWO) said that there were at least 20 (maybe 24?) of every T2 bpo in game. This was the same thread regarding random stats from the DB that had how many isk the richest few players/corps had in their wallets, along with the roughly a 'thousand characters with a billion isk' mention. I doubt I'd be able to find a link to it now if I tried, though.
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.11.30 09:33:00 - [41] wow only about 1000 of us with more than a bil I feel special now.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.11.30 11:45:00 - [42] traditionally, all t2 bpo's came in 8 copies. That kind of rigidity lead to the "problems" of today like the cap2. Then there was much dismay in the forums, and the devs decided to lower prodtime and increase copies (so in effect, ~same supply spread over many hands). I think the logistics were the first to come under this rule, and hacs are definitely under the new system. Now, I think it's 24, but I have yet seen an official response saying it's exactly 24 for all t2 item types. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Quanteeri	Posted - 2005.11.30 15:02:00 - [43] Edited by: Quanteeri on 30/11/2005 15:03:27 On topic of BPO Auction: Originally by: Dark Shikari I believe when this was proposed, there was enough player backlash that the devs decided not to implement it. QFT. This idea was met with a giant stone wall by the players, both winners and those waiting to win. The common concensus was that it would most definitely form an oligarchy for those that could afford to by out the auction every month. With the current system, at least there is the assurance that poor bastards like myself would have a chance to participate. Personally, I have hit the lottery once, gaining the ECM-IFP II, which requires more from me to produce than is worthy of making a profit on. In order for me to build and under cut the competition, I would end up with about 50k profit per unit, which I can obviously do just producing T1 gear, without all the running around to collect up the 10 or so different components I need to build the things. Coupled with the fact that ECM is about the most unpopular fitting in-game. I think I've sold about 3 of the things in the last 4 months. The only way to really make this particular BPO profitable is to implement it into an already setup T2 production organization where you have spare resources to build them with, because it certainly isn't worth investing in a POS to solely support its production. That, I believe, is why you see so many people selling their BPO's. :)
Gunsnroses	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:23:00 - [44] Edited by: Gunsnroses on 02/12/2005 11:26:41 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Stratosfear Backlash? Like what, the owner of t2 cap and naga owners chained themselves to ccp HQ? Who was backlashing? I am sure not the 99.9% of eve population that looks at the prices of HACs and other t2 stuff. Backlash my *** Most T2 items have completely crashed on the market. Have you ever even tried to make money off T2? The worked required nowadays for most items is tremendous. The current system, fortunately, is the best one anyone has ever come up with. The only people who oppose it are whiners who don't understand economics and don't own tech 2 BPOs. Then, one day, they get a T2 BPO, and realize exactly how goddamn hard it is to make money with all but the best T2 BPOs. And they stop whining. Do Cap IIs need more BPOs? Yes! Do we need BPOs to be made worthless? No! All i got to say is L-M-A-O I now make over 300 million isk profit a week selling t2, and i dont even own a t2 BPO. I spend less then 30 mins a day on it as well. So If your not making money, your doing something wrong sista.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Gunsnroses Edited by: Gunsnroses on 02/12/2005 11:26:41 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Stratosfear Backlash? Like what, the owner of t2 cap and naga owners chained themselves to ccp HQ? Who was backlashing? I am sure not the 99.9% of eve population that looks at the prices of HACs and other t2 stuff. Backlash my *** Most T2 items have completely crashed on the market. Have you ever even tried to make money off T2? The worked required nowadays for most items is tremendous. The current system, fortunately, is the best one anyone has ever come up with. The only people who oppose it are whiners who don't understand economics and don't own tech 2 BPOs. Then, one day, they get a T2 BPO, and realize exactly how goddamn hard it is to make money with all but the best T2 BPOs. And they stop whining. Do Cap IIs need more BPOs? Yes! Do we need BPOs to be made worthless? No! All i got to say is L-M-A-O I now make over 300 million isk profit a week selling t2, and i dont even own a t2 BPO. I spend less then 30 mins a day on it as well. So If your not making money, your doing something wrong sista. Well exactly. Its a lot easier when you don't own a BPO. If you have a BPO, you are stuck attempting to sell a single item, and unless you have a really good one, that's hard. With BPCs, you can earn far more by diversifying. In addition, with a BPC, you only have to sell the number you have runs for--with a BPO, you have to get rid of your whole stock, which is continually added to. Now stop posting, you're giving away my secrets damn you! - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Gunsnroses	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:51:00 - [46] Im trying and trying and trying to get my hands on thta first bpo. But prices seem to be going way up on them. The more i earn isk the more t2 bpos cost. I remember when stuff went for less then a billion. Dont think thats possible now : / Btw, what bpos you own dark?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Gunsnroses Im trying and trying and trying to get my hands on thta first bpo. But prices seem to be going way up on them. The more i earn isk the more t2 bpos cost. I remember when stuff went for less then a billion. Dont think thats possible now : / Btw, what bpos you own dark? Target Painter II, none others yet. I have loads of capital to invest, just looking for a good BPO atm. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Wee Dave	Posted - 2005.12.03 18:08:00 - [48] Being able to produce items in-house rather than having to trek back and forth between 0.0 and high sec is often quite important. And for anyone trying to leverage themselves into an alliance having even a relatively limited T2 bpo can be useful as it secures the supply for the alliance and makes the person a valuable member.
Kipkruide	Posted - 2005.12.05 08:16:00 - [49] being able to produce for example an unending supply of t2 stealth bombers for your alliance could be quite nice :).
Darwinia	Posted - 2005.12.05 10:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Border201 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Border201 Not true the Cap II BPO right now makes about 700m profit a day though that is under the 50b extream mark there is still enough of the Cap II's out right now to ensure that someone with the BPO will have the cash to purchase the BPO every month. Its more like 432m a day. There's only 8 of them though. Thats still enough to buy 2 Cap II BPO's per month. Even if the t2 monopolists buy the t2 every single month (assuming the buyout or really high bid).. that is a lot of isk leaving the economy permanently.. money sinks are never a bad thing
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2005.12.05 16:14:00 - [51] If t2 BPO's become as prevelant as some of the idiots on this forum demand them to become, then the named item market will drop out. If that happens, NPC'ing and complex running suddenly becomes utterly unprofitable. If that happens, then most people cant earn ISK. If that happens, then people cant buy t2 items. If that happens, prices fall below profitability and the game breaks. Friends Forever
Shadrin	Posted - 2005.12.05 20:21:00 - [52] Somehow I don't think people making less than 500% profit on something would break the game. It might break the game to them, but not to the person running missions and just wants a reasonable deal. ------------------------------------ Shadrin Gemini Investment and Trading Company Making your money work for you.
Stratosfear	Posted - 2005.12.06 05:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg If t2 BPO's become as prevelant as some of the idiots on this forum demand them to become, then the named item market will drop out. If that happens, NPC'ing and complex running suddenly becomes utterly unprofitable. If that happens, then most people cant earn ISK. If that happens, then people cant buy t2 items. If that happens, prices fall below profitability and the game breaks. Thank you for this brilliant analysis.
ArchenTheGreat	Posted - 2005.12.06 09:53:00 - [54] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg If t2 BPO's become as prevelant as some of the idiots on this forum demand them to become, then the named item market will drop out. No, many modules has tech2 parts available in resonable prices and still named versions sell for quite a lot. Named is often the only module which fits or which you can use because of skills or is simply better than tech2 (ECM modules).
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Shadrin Somehow I don't think people making less than 500% profit on something would break the game. It might break the game to them, but not to the person running missions and just wants a reasonable deal. I'd consider 500k for battleship modules a "reasonable deal." Past a certain point, lower prices only hurt the manufacturer, and don't benefit anyone. Come on, do you think any buyer would care if ECM Multispec IIs were 300k instead of 600k? I doubt it. - Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Ghey Iislandur	Posted - 2006.01.09 16:44:00 - [56] Edited by: Ghey Iislandur on 09/01/2006 16:48:20 Originally by: Wee Dave Being able to produce items in-house rather than having to trek back and forth between 0.0 and high sec is often quite important. And for anyone trying to leverage themselves into an alliance having even a relatively limited T2 bpo can be useful as it secures the supply for the alliance and makes the person a valuable member. Pttttt. Whatever dude. What's the point of owning a BPO to build T2 ships, to then just be expected to give the ships away to the alliance. I've seen this with T1 bad enough with people complaining about 300K for a vigil. You'd also be expected to limit your customer base at the same time!!! Then you want someone to take the T2 BPO to 0.0 and trust the alliance to protect you when instead you could build in empire in complete and total safety with all components you'll ever need for production? Sorry but it will never happen. I get a T2 BPO the first thing I do is set up shop in a noob corp and sell them through an alt that just collects dough in empire. At this point there's ZERO reason to affiliate yourself with any alliance. And why would you want to??? No need for false posturing or politics. Just give your isk to your PvP alt and go have fun in 0.0 ______________________________________________ Won't you give to the Minmatar Orphans of War Charities? With your generous donation of ore or isk, we can reunite a Minmatar slave with his family.
Raindrop	Posted - 2006.01.10 03:49:00 - [57] Edited by: Raindrop on 10/01/2006 03:49:30 Originally by: Dark Shikari Under the current system, anyone can get a good BPO with luck. Small error there. You need to actively engage yourself with Agents. Some people don't(i am one). So it's not anyone with a bit of luck. It's only anyone involved with agents enough and luck. Unless i'm totally mistaken and i have a chance of suddenly finding a bpo in my hangar as if it's Christmas and it snowed in there. Which i find both very remote of ever happening. I wonder where those snowballs came from though. Raindrop 100% Carebear and loving it. Collector of junk and leftovers. NPC and low end minerals trader. Hauler.
Jennai	Posted - 2006.01.10 03:56:00 - [58] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg If t2 BPO's become as prevelant as some of the idiots on this forum demand them to become, then the named item market will drop out. If that happens, NPC'ing and complex running suddenly becomes utterly unprofitable. this is already happening. yesterday I bought about 100 named armor hardeners in oursulaert because they were being sold for BELOW MINERAL COST. I used to sell T1 hardeners, but there's not much point in that any more because no one is buying them when they can get a good named hardener for 50-100k more. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel macro miner killboard: www.anti-macro.com
FZappa	Posted - 2006.01.10 08:06:00 - [59] exactly like other people said , the common player wants a quick cash in which involves no effort or spending game time on boring tasks which are involved in industry . smart ? that depends on the nature of the bpo , if the item is high profile producing it will make much more isk take for example my pdu2 bpo , was offered 2bil for it in the early stages of t2 bpo distribution . up till today i think i made around 30bil profit off producting them . a less wanted item will hit hard competition and profit margin will drop drasticly . it could take an ammo producer years before he makes enough profit to pay for the bpo he just bought out -------------------------
Ghey Iislandur	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Darwinia Even if the t2 monopolists buy the t2 every single month (assuming the buyout or really high bid).. that is a lot of isk leaving the economy permanently.. money sinks are never a bad thing Um, the very act of buying up multiple copies of the same BPO would only allow a restriction on supply, the same or more demand, and therefore another chance for a price increase. It's not a good idea to let one person in the game own 100% of any T2 BPO's. ______________________________________________ Won't you give to the Minmatar Orphans of War Charities? With your generous donation of ore or isk, we can reunite a Minmatar slave with his family.

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