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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Outreach Center
H-K Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:15:00 -
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Well, after giving it a couple weeks I've started crunching numbers and I don't like what I see for any of the low end goos in LS. I can't find a profitable workaround for many types and simple reactions. Cobalt is losing 50k ISK/hour on Caldari fuel; a medium Caldari tower loses 128 k / hr on Sulfuric Acid reaction (if you're buying Atmo Gases off market).
Then again, I am doing this when I'm tired and burned out already 
Still - thoughts?
n++[ 2013.05.17 22:06:44 ] Josh Fehrnah > Coffee Rocks you are also kos
[ 2013.05.17 22:15:07 ] Captain Karrzaka > I luv coffee :P
Twitter: @thecoffeerocks Steam: CoffeeRocks |
Anhenka
Hounds Of War
WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:29:00 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote:Well, after giving it a couple weeks I've started crunching numbers and I don't like what I see for any of the low end goos in LS. I can't find a profitable workaround for many types and simple reactions. Cobalt is losing 50k ISK/hour on Caldari fuel; a medium Caldari tower loses 128 k / hr on Sulfuric Acid reaction (if you're buying Atmo Gases off market). Then again, I am doing this when I'm tired and burned out already Still - thoughts?
Most lower end reactions are done either on a tower with both ingredients (rare), or more commonly, as a side bit to help defray fuel costs on a tower primarily intended for another purpose. A POS intended to be a drug production POS, lowsec cyno midpoint, Pirate Base, t3 production, whatever. If they have some spare room, set up a reaction with whatever is on the tower. Does not have to pay for the entirety of the fuel, but every bit helps. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:33:00 -
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Wait prices stabilize  |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3550
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Posted - 2013.06.18 07:50:00 -
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Run the full chain. Generally less volatility that way.
Also this:
Termy Rockling wrote:Wait prices stabilize
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Coffee Rocks
Thrall Outreach Center
H-K Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.18 16:32:00 -
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Termy Rockling wrote:Wait prices stabilize
Yah, I almost put a "Too soon?" in the heading.
n++[ 2013.05.17 22:06:44 ] Josh Fehrnah > Coffee Rocks you are also kos
[ 2013.05.17 22:15:07 ] Captain Karrzaka > I luv coffee :P
Twitter: @thecoffeerocks Steam: CoffeeRocks |
Hae Sung
32
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:40:00 -
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Anhenka wrote:Most lower end reactions are done either on a tower with both ingredients (rare), or more commonly, as a side bit to help defray fuel costs on a tower primarily intended for another purpose. A POS intended to be a drug production POS, lowsec cyno midpoint, Pirate Base, t3 production, whatever. If they have some spare room, set up a reaction with whatever is on the tower. Does not have to pay for the entirety of the fuel, but every bit helps.
Pretty much this. I also understand a large caldari POS has the ability to just barely run 2 reactions if you import the missing pieces. You'd need to do some searching for the exact configuration but you should be able to come out with a 2-stage chain if you're willing to sacrifice the rest of your CPU for the purpose. |
Kittel Jr
Kitlactic Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:49:00 -
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With the majority of the 'good moons' taken, low sec POS is all about luck and planning.
Finding the moon(s) you need to accomplish your goal can be difficult, so many useless moons out there with either nothing on them, 1-2 non matching gases, or R8 that cant even pay for a small POS fuel if you just wanted to mine something. Mixing and matching is almost required for low sec profitability for the small/medium corp.
Logistics is a major factor, more moons = more profit (if you can manage it), however, a jump freighter is essential (huge upfront cost).
Location is another major factor, while you can find moons with what you want, having to travel all over New Eden to Fuel, and import/ export moon goo is costly in time and logistics, again Jump freighter is almost required.
Using every moon to its full potential is also key, while you might not need x from the moon, if your defenses and or reactions can handle it mine it, every little bit can help with fuel and associated costs(cynos/cyno fuel, purchased moon goo, etc).
Also, keep in mind that it can be more more cost and time effective to simply buy some moon items rather then mine and react them yourself. if it costs you 300 mil in fuel to mine a month and 320 mil to buy the amount you need a month, is it worth the time and effort to set up the POS(s), let alone the initial costs for the POS(s)/associated structures, especially after adding in location/time required to fuel and maintain silos/POS(s). Same for small profit, if cost for fuel is 250mil and you can buy it for 300mil, is that 50mil worth it, your time and effort...
With planning and locations you can set up great POS networks with little work, fuel once a month and silo management every 3-6 days or longer, depending on what your doing. Just keep in mind It can also be an unprofitable or time intensive nightmare....
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:02:00 -
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Worst case, even if you're not doing reactions and selling the raw materials, those sales off set the POS costs. This assumes you're doing something else like research or invention. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.06.19 21:07:00 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote:Well, after giving it a couple weeks I've started crunching numbers and I don't like what I see for any of the low end goos in LS. I can't find a profitable workaround for many types and simple reactions. Cobalt is losing 50k ISK/hour on Caldari fuel; a medium Caldari tower loses 128 k / hr on Sulfuric Acid reaction (if you're buying Atmo Gases off market). Then again, I am doing this when I'm tired and burned out already Still - thoughts?
Now why do you think Isotopes where manipulated? |
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