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Mr Presidant
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Posted - 2005.11.20 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Presidant on 20/11/2005 00:06:28
Just a question peeps, how does your alliance work?
how are votes passed and with what majority if any, is there alot of problems with how votes are passed? is it a council/corp directors play a part, does each corp have 2 members who have posts in the alliance in charge of a certain function. just curios , use alts by all means 
Also is their sum type of rule book/constituion, if their is for your alliance is there a website one can read it ?thanx all for posting god bless u all
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.11.20 01:05:00 -
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No votes, do as cartiff says, pwnage commences....i mean pwnage either way like by us or on us.....usually on us tbh.
Volt
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
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Posted - 2005.11.20 03:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Voltron
No votes, do as cartiff says, pwnage commences....i mean pwnage either way like by us or on us.....usually on us tbh.
Volt
liar
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.11.20 04:49:00 -
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Votes and counsils promote interalliance politics. That brings feweds and other bad things inside your alliance.
Dictatorships are 4tw. |
Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.11.20 11:44:00 -
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steelrat and cyvok says, we follow
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Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you |
High Sierra
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Posted - 2005.11.20 14:11:00 -
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are you familiar with the term 'chaos curve'?
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GinoShin
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Posted - 2005.11.20 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: High Sierra
are you familiar with the term 'chaos curve'?
nope
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.11.20 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/11/2005 17:14:01
democratic council-ruled idealist types of alliances have proven to be deathtraps to their members. The only surviving and enduring governmental form in Eve is totalitarianism.
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Power to the players !
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.11.20 17:22:00 -
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Jake sisko is our god, gypsy is Jesus, and virtuo is our warp core stabs dealer =)
I don't see any other way an alliance could work 
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.11.20 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/11/2005 17:14:01
democratic council-ruled idealist types of alliances have proven to be deathtraps to their members. The only surviving and enduring governmental form in Eve is totalitarianism.
What Rod SaidÖ
I get told to go to an area and start shooting stuff, until the people that were there aren't anymore. No poncing around with council meetings, democratic voting or other milarky.
Blacklight: 'Go Shoot them!'
Rift: 'OMW!'
Make mine a Double! |
Mr Presidant
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Posted - 2005.11.20 21:44:00 -
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Stain and fix?
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.11.20 22:16:00 -
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IRON is lead by a King, who marries his daughters off to fleet commanders to ensure their allegiance, and his sons off to foreign princesses to cement partnerships.
-omg-
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.11.21 00:11:00 -
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The Five = 5 CEO's to flip a coin or when there's a big situation do a rock, scissor and paper via webcams.
Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost! |
FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.11.21 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: FalloutBoy on 21/11/2005 00:26:29
Originally by: Mr Presidant
Stain and fix?
SE: was mainly run by 3 or 4 people, who consulted CEOs on big decisions
FIX: from the way I understand it there are 4 "JCoS" who pretty much call the shots with a council of CEOs who vote on things that don't need emediate decsions.
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Mashed Taters
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Posted - 2005.11.21 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Presidant
Edited by: Mr Presidant on 20/11/2005 00:06:28
Just a question peeps, how does your alliance work?
how are votes passed and with what majority if any, is there alot of problems with how votes are passed? is it a council/corp directors play a part, does each corp have 2 members who have posts in the alliance in charge of a certain function. just curios, use alts by all means
Also is their sum type of rule book/constituion, if their is for your alliance is there a website one can read it ?thanx all for posting god bless u all
America loves Mr. President! But Frankenstein will kill you in the end
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Franky B
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Posted - 2005.11.21 10:15:00 -
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voting/councils/meetings = NSA = DEAD
buddrow = shut the **** up and shoot = IRON = hi2u ^.^
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.11.21 11:06:00 -
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We basically follow Cartiff and our single rule handbook
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Mr Presidant
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Posted - 2005.11.21 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
Edited by: FalloutBoy on 21/11/2005 00:26:29
Originally by: Mr Presidant
Stain and fix?
SE: was mainly run by 3 or 4 people, who consulted CEOs on big decisions
FIX: from the way I understand it there are 4 "JCoS" who pretty much call the shots with a council of CEOs who vote on things that don't need emediate decsions.
thank you for the anwser
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Jherek Cornelian
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Posted - 2005.11.21 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Franky B
voting/councils/meetings = NSA = DEAD
Lol very true.
By the time we (NSA council) had got to 'apoligies for absence' BoB were shooting. By the time we got to 'any other business' BoB had taken the station 
Or 'can i shoot this guy?..hello...can I shoot him...his corp is [XXXXX]...hello..doesn't matter he already killed me'
It's far easier now:
kill 5 or be killed by 5.
Ahh the simplicity
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2005.11.21 13:29:00 -
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'So what we doing now then?'
'...'
'Are these guys hostile?'
'...'
'Hay mind if i lead a gang to shoot bad guyz'
'OMGZ U R NOT A LEEDER COUNCIL MEETIN KIK KIK KIK'
<4 months later>
'So what we doing now then?'
Cycle continues. Thats what happens when you have a council.
People have lives, you cant rely nor expect them to be there for all the important decisions which must occur.
So yuh...
darth: 'hay shoot xelas and bob'
me: 'k!'
Trust the people who have replied, theyre in alliances that have been around for years.
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Kryztal
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Posted - 2005.11.21 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/11/2005 17:14:01
democratic council-ruled idealist types of alliances have proven to be deathtraps to their members. The only surviving and enduring governmental form in Eve is totalitarianism.
What Rod SaidÖ
I get told to go to an area and start shooting stuff, until the people that were there aren't anymore. No poncing around with council meetings, democratic voting or other milarky.
Blacklight: 'Go Shoot them!'
Rift: 'OMW!'
Yes Daddy knows best *\o/*
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Karmic
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Posted - 2005.11.21 14:12:00 -
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Mercenary Empress *****s the whip and low and behold Latex Mistress is at the front of the queue again. 
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.21 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/11/2005 17:14:01
democratic council-ruled idealist types of alliances have proven to be deathtraps to their members. The only surviving and enduring governmental form in Eve is totalitarianism.
Ushra'Khan is ruled by a council. Although it went thru a few iterations before we got the simple fun thing we have now.
It actually works quite well now.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Mr Presidant
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Posted - 2005.11.21 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Presidant on 21/11/2005 17:21:41
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/11/2005 17:14:01
democratic council-ruled idealist types of alliances have proven to be deathtraps to their members. The only surviving and enduring governmental form in Eve is totalitarianism.
Ushra'Khan is ruled by a council. Although it went thru a few iterations before we got the simple fun thing we have now.
can ya elaborate on that a bit more, councils seem very intersting, is their a voting procedure of some sort, and there a 70% pass or summing?
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Mr Presidant
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Posted - 2005.11.21 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/11/2005 17:14:01
democratic council-ruled idealist types of alliances have proven to be deathtraps to their members. The only surviving and enduring governmental form in Eve is totalitarianism.
Ushra'Khan is ruled by a council. Although it went thru a few iterations before we got the simple fun thing we have now.
It actually works quite well now.
can ya elaborate on that a bit more, is their a set voting procedure, and a 60 or 70% pass mark?
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.11.21 19:44:00 -
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we do whatever Abriana Overlord says, and if someone disagrees we kill him off and replace him
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Joycalyn
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Posted - 2005.11.23 05:44:00 -
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Oh...Oh how you wish you knew how RA works...keep dreaming -> that's one you take to the grave
Joycalyn |
Kipkruide
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Posted - 2005.11.23 08:14:00 -
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LOl, yeah we're not quite sure yet, second shep though, we do as abs says, usually, though most decisions are pretty thoroughly formulated and discussed on ts beforehand. But in the end you need someone or 2-3 peeps with extreme authority, else you get stranded in all the bull****.
Thumbs up for all the Ceo's and alliance commanders though, it takes a hell of a lot of effort and dedication to do the **** they need to take care of, i hsould know i was one and i can't say it was the most enjoyable part of my eve experience although it does have it's rewards.
To cut thing short, on the low level have discussion/democracy at the top have a dictatorship. And if your members don't like it, well there's 17k peeps online mostly so you can always find some that do like your style.
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.11.23 09:50:00 -
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I would guess alliances will have the same problems a company has, if you vote and try to make everything democratic: it simply wont work very well (this might surprise a few).
A few rulers on top (like a board in a company), and then everyone else does what he is told.
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Archilies
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Posted - 2005.11.23 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Archilies on 23/11/2005 23:39:19
all alliances work differneltly id imagine, according to what their role in eve is
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.11.24 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
We basically follow Cartiff and our single rule handbook
Hey dude loved those flash animations, u got more?
uhmm topic yeah, "How does your alliance works?", it works just fine, how about yours?
Website
Killboard |
LordMordred
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Posted - 2005.11.24 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: LordMordred on 24/11/2005 04:21:41
Simple... if it's blue is goo.
If its red it's dead.
If its grey it's dead if you feel like it should be.
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Weyr Raykan
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Posted - 2005.11.24 11:31:00 -
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Can say from experience in the last two alliances I was in. When we had a strong leader directing our actions (for the big stuff, not micromanaging) we were successful.
When that leadership was taken over by a 'council' things didn't go as smoothly, lots of dissent, discord and confusion. It's hard to find a large group of people with common goals who agree with each other 95% of the time.
I think most of the advice posted above this one is very sound, councils take time to meet, debate, deliberate whereas if you have a good strong leader (with a good sense of direction, purpose or just plain lotta guts), you can get a lot quicker resolution to problems.
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Nalrath Tolahnia
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Posted - 2005.11.24 21:03:00 -
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Well Being NORAD (whereby D = Democracy)
Alliance is run by a council consisting of appointed representitives from each member corp (CEO plus upto 2 others that must be directors)
Allaince has elected officials, IE Defence Minister, Economic Minister, Diplomat etc.
As to whether it works or not, well it works for us, and we wouldnt be NORAD if it wasnt a democracy (and please noone flame or comment about any 'other' part of our alliance name, he asked how alliances are run, i replied.)
Proudly Supplying Breakfast since.......eh |
Dahin
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Posted - 2005.11.24 23:28:00 -
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yes, we did that in Xetic.
Then the council run off 
So we did the rational thing and selected the silliest drunken singer around to lead us in our unholy silly quest to sodomize hampsters.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.11.24 23:51:00 -
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Who needs a counsil when I'm always right? |
Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.25 00:30:00 -
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Anyone who has been on our TS knows that my two year old son runs the MC. 
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The REAL Eve Political Map! |
Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.11.25 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
Edited by: FalloutBoy on 21/11/2005 00:26:29
SE: was mainly run by 3 or 4 people, who consulted CEOs on big decisions
FIX: from the way I understand it there are 4 "JCoS" who pretty much call the shots with a council of CEOs who vote on things that don't need emediate decsions.
Why I spotted a typing error my dear sir, and I presume you will like me correcting you to ensure you speak fine english; you typed an E instead of an A in one of those words.
Let us have a fine jest and have you guess which word my gentlemanly self am referring to.
Long live Queen Victoria my good sir!
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Hail Stian Allaince and the emperor who can't spell. ;]
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.11.25 01:07:00 -
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The problem I have seen with republic style alliances (never seen a democratic one) is when they only have the 'Senate' and no President.
It's fine to have a representative republic, but sometimes you need a President with emergency powers.
If more alliances had used that model, some of the old ones might still be around.
~Captain Cutie, ISC Event Horizon
Biomass fears me.
Sovereignty 2.0 |
Voltron
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Posted - 2005.11.25 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dahin
yes, we did that in Xetic.
Then the council run off
So we did the rational thing and selected the silliest drunken singer around to lead us in our unholy silly quest to sodomize hampsters.
Hamsters? Why have I been chasing ducks around then...
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2005.11.25 02:07:00 -
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Molle orders. we obey.
simple and effective.
MAD SCHEEMING DICTATORS 4TW!!
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BNC + KIA = The Ultimate Drunken Retard
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.11.25 06:41:00 -
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In my first corp (on another character) I got to listen in on a council meeting (an alliance in the north). At first I felt privileged, about 45 minutes later I realized this was a complete waste of everybody's time, a bunch of people just yapping. Our guys were getting ganked at asteroids and these worthless douchbags were sitting there just talking and sipping coffee.
I swore never again.
I think a top-down autocratic leadership, coupled with a clear concise "if it aint blue, kill it" rules of engagement is the best way to run an alliance.
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.11.25 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: TheKiller8
We basically follow Cartiff and our single rule handbook
Hey dude loved those flash animations, u got more?
uhmm topic yeah, "How does your alliance works?", it works just fine, how about yours?
Sure just click the shiny image in my signature or check out my ingame bio.
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Ku'Gras
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Posted - 2005.11.26 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Fats
In my first corp (on another character) I got to listen in on a council meeting (an alliance in the north). At first I felt privileged, about 45 minutes later I realized this was a complete waste of everybody's time, a bunch of people just yapping. Our guys were getting ganked at asteroids and these worthless douchbags were sitting there just talking and sipping coffee.
I swore never again.
I think a top-down autocratic leadership, coupled with a clear concise "if it aint blue, kill it" rules of engagement is the best way to run an alliance.
That give me flashbacks of my pre-bob life.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.11.26 02:11:00 -
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I've sat through a 6hour Xetic meeting in the old days.
SWEET JESUS, the HORRER!!!!
Btw, NBSI isn't just run by me, its run the CEO's of E-R/Black Lance/Maza Nostra, 3peeps will the same abilitys
I'm just the loudest
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
NUBSIES 4TW
"Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
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Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2005.11.26 10:58:00 -
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We do what we want Dictatorship or totalitarianism may be the most effective thing if you want to claim and hold territory for any length of time in our feudal universe. But anarcho-syndicalism's the way to go if government's not your thing.
Be Free
Starlancers
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.11.26 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Anyone who has been on our TS knows that my two year old son runs the MC.
WAZZZUUUUUUUUUP! :-p
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I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun! |
Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.11.28 00:15:00 -
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If your a "industrial" alliance, I supposed that a democracy would work.
If your making a "rounded" alliance, I suppose that a republic type government would work.
If your making a PVP alliance, you need a semi/dictatorship. No more than 4 people, one being good number.
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Dracolich
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Posted - 2005.11.28 06:36:00 -
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Too many chefs.... Dictatorship 4tw.
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SaorAlba
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Posted - 2005.11.28 09:54:00 -
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-G- has one Imperator
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.11.28 13:29:00 -
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Molle says jump, we jump, we dont ask why, we just do it.
Simple as that, and deadly as hell (as you may have heard) 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:27:00 -
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There is lots of cool BoB posturing here, but I'll give you the true low-down...
Blacklight has a few drinks, and realises that the overview is a bit blury, and counting all the way to F-8 is a bit harder than it used to be.
He decides everyone should go mining until he sobers up.
However, being in an altered state of mind, he thinks the roids are greener on the 'other side' (ie: a region we don't control)
A priority 1 (BL n33dz 2 minz0r) message is sent out on alliance chat.
SirMolle immediately comes to the forums and announces whatever alliance controls the mining area is dead, and all of Evolution jump in to forum lock-down mode.
At exactly the same time RKK jump their fleet ahead of BNC, destroying any and all resistance.
The BNC mining fleet follows (after taking a few wrong turns and stopping for a kebab), and wtfpwn's the roids.
BL begins to sober up, and realises what he is doing.
BNC pretend to fight their way back home (under the cover of the RKK combat fleet, and the Evolution Special Blackmail Fraps Squad).
SirMolle then posts "Hi" on the forums, thus competely drowining out any chance of the facts emerging.
Everyone goes back to working on the master plan ... which unfortunately makes Blacklight thirsty...
'tis true I tell ya.
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The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
There is lots of cool BoB posturing here, but I'll give you the true low-down...
Blacklight has a few drinks, and realises that the overview is a bit blury, and counting all the way to F-8 is a bit harder than it used to be.
He decides everyone should go mining until he sobers up.
However, being in an altered state of mind, he thinks the roids are greener on the 'other side' (ie: a region we don't control)
A priority 1 (BL n33dz 2 minz0r) message is sent out on alliance chat.
SirMolle immediately comes to the forums and announces whatever alliance controls the mining area is dead, and all of Evolution jump in to forum lock-down mode.
At exactly the same time RKK jump their fleet ahead of BNC, destroying any and all resistance.
The BNC mining fleet follows (after taking a few wrong turns and stopping for a kebab), and wtfpwn's the roids.
BL begins to sober up, and realises what he is doing.
BNC pretend to fight their way back home (under the cover of the RKK combat fleet, and the Evolution Special Blackmail Fraps Squad).
SirMolle then posts "Hi" on the forums, thus competely drowining out any chance of the facts emerging.
Everyone goes back to working on the master plan ... which unfortunately makes Blacklight thirsty...
'tis true I tell ya.
That is scarily close to how it is indeed
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For more than a single foe to attempt to fight the Reikoku at once is an act of supreme folley. |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:51:00 -
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Avon and Dracorimus are mere peons they don't really know much.
The real mastermind behind BoB is Bizarre.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.28 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Avon and Dracorimus are mere peons they don't really know much.
The real mastermind behind BoB is Bizarre.
And so the Evolution cover-up begins...
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The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.11.28 15:45:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Avon and Dracorimus are mere peons they don't really know much.
The real mastermind behind BoB is Bizarre.
And so the Evolution cover-up begins...
excellent :)
--thoth
[5],
ex-Curse Alliance
ex-DSMA |
Hehulk
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Posted - 2005.11.29 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
There is lots of cool BoB posturing here, but I'll give you the true low-down...
Blacklight has a few drinks, and realises that the overview is a bit blury, and counting all the way to F-8 is a bit harder than it used to be.
He decides everyone should go mining until he sobers up.
However, being in an altered state of mind, he thinks the roids are greener on the 'other side' (ie: a region we don't control)
A priority 1 (BL n33dz 2 minz0r) message is sent out on alliance chat.
SirMolle immediately comes to the forums and announces whatever alliance controls the mining area is dead, and all of Evolution jump in to forum lock-down mode.
At exactly the same time RKK jump their fleet ahead of BNC, destroying any and all resistance.
The BNC mining fleet follows (after taking a few wrong turns and stopping for a kebab), and wtfpwn's the roids.
BL begins to sober up, and realises what he is doing.
BNC pretend to fight their way back home (under the cover of the RKK combat fleet, and the Evolution Special Blackmail Fraps Squad).
SirMolle then posts "Hi" on the forums, thus competely drowining out any chance of the facts emerging.
Everyone goes back to working on the master plan ... which unfortunately makes Blacklight thirsty...
'tis true I tell ya.
That has to be the funiest things I've ever read. As for alliances, not been in many. The ones that seem to work are dictorships. A ruling council is no good for "10 seconds, can I shoot at X corp/Y Alliance?"
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"EvE isn't a game, it's a lifestyle" Jaegerknack, 5punkorp |
Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.29 20:29:00 -
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Avon wins.
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The REAL Eve Political Map! |
Drunkeh
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Posted - 2005.11.29 20:57:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
I would guess alliances will have the same problems a company has, if you vote and try to make everything democratic: it simply wont work very well (this might surprise a few).
A few rulers on top (like a board in a company), and then everyone else does what he is told.
I think this is the first time I have seen a post by you not flaming 5. Come on man, ur slacking, you shoulda added like "well obviously however 5 is running their alliance is not working because we are pwning them all over the place and their leaders cannot possibly defeat us."
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