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Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.21 13:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Macro Media on 21/11/2005 13:18:05 A reletivly simple guide, but a lot of people think that defaulting on loans is a case of asking for a loan and going on the run. Most people are not daft enough to give money to beggers, but what you must do is to paint glass as being a dimond. Most people in eve are greedy, and they will stop at nothing to make a buck or two safely. Loans Fraud 102 will deal with defrauding money via loans from corp wallets. This is harder and takes longer to get yourself into position, so I will not talk about it here. Firstly, there must be a reason for a loan. Most people ask for a ship and go on the run. More fool to those silly enough to do that. Others ask for a small amount for no apparent reason. Again more fool to them. What you want to do is ask for a decent amount for a decent reason! What needs to be done is a half-truth reason. Not a plain lie such as "Give me 100mil so I can buy a apoc" but a more intelligent approach such as "I have been studying trade routes and mineral prices between several regions, and notice that there is a major shortage of 'x' in region 'a'". Let us go with the above example for a minute. Lets say you are asking for money for mineral trade runs. Firstly, who are you pitching to? Dont bother asking someone who has been in a corp for a week, but someone who has been in the corp, and has a Nice Navy Raven, is likely to have a few hundred mil to help you with. Now, during chit chat, state that you are making 10% on minerals by selling it to a manufacturing corp/buy orders/whatever. State that you have build upto 20mil, but at 10% for a 80 jump round trip is getting a little boring, but the "manufactuing corp buyer/market/etc" loves buying from me. Use a bit of social engineering to get yourself into a position of friendly with the corp, and now you will be in a position to make a solid offer for a short term Loan. Make sure they are aware that you do quite a bit of trading, even if all you do is sit in hangers in your ibis. Speak to your victim, and ask him for a loan. Find the facts on mineral prices and put together a decent pitch. I.E Something along the lines of "The corp I have been trading minerals with has asked me if I can deleiver 1 million nox at 400 each today. There are 2 million units for sale here at 340 each. Thats a profit of 60 per nox, which is 60mil for the run. I have 150 mil on me, so I can buy part of the minerals, can anyone else haul with me?" Ok so you have done 4 things. Firstly, you have stated that there is a 60mil profit for a simple run. Secondally, you have stated that you are going to do it yourself if they dont help. Investers like that attitude. Thirdly, you have made it obvious that you need 250mil as a loan, even though you have said that you are looking for a hauler. (If someone is silly enough to haul 1 million nox with you, nox that they bought themselves, just lure him someware and pirate him in empire :) ) You have also shown that you CAN turn 20mil into 150mil, so that gives you subconsious respect. Now, comes the crunch part. It is unlikely you will get a loan for 250mil, but you are aiming higher than where you expect to be. You have a beleivable story, a plan of action and you will have raised a bit of intrest. You have painted the glass as being a dimond and now you want people to help you dig it out. State that you will split profits 30% for the loan you receave, since it will all be returned within an hour. Obviously negotiate this figure upto 50% so convince them that you are genuine. Usually you may get a loan of upto 150mil by a few folk chiping in, but hey, that not bad! Now comes the crunch part... 1. Give money to your main and go on the run. 2. Claim you got pirated by "insert genuine pirate" in "insert system" and ask for another small loan to rebuild. (This works wonders). Now repeat the process. ------------ Lowlife Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
MAcheTT3	Posted - 2005.11.21 14:07:00 - [2] What's with all the bleedin' guides?! I make sigs, fo' sh!zzle. Check it!
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.21 14:09:00 - [3] Edited by: Macro Media on 21/11/2005 14:10:00 In response to carebears getting their way with ore cans theft, I am publishing my guides for all the criminal things I have done over the next few months. Think of it as GCHQ 101 :) EDIT: Yes I mean GCHQ and not GHSC! ------------ Lowlife Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
Archilies	Posted - 2005.11.21 14:41:00 - [4] You spelt diamond wrong you muppet I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.21 14:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Archilies You spelt diamond wrong you muppet Oh how positive. No Really.... What is the point of this post? What purpose does it serve? How is the spelling of a word going to help people commit loan fraud? Its not is it? Pointless. It reminds me of people slagging off rich people. Rather than use their brains to get rich, they slag off rich people. ------------ Lowlife Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
KIATolon	Posted - 2005.11.21 15:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Archilies You spelt diamond wrong you muppet You spelt Troll wrong you muppet. "T R O L L" not "A R C H I L I E S"
J Dubbs	Posted - 2005.11.21 16:34:00 - [7] Dont forget if its quite late at night there will be someone drunk in jita though the person i gave isk too promised to give it back...
Masta Killa	Posted - 2005.11.21 18:01:00 - [8] Originally by: MAcheTT3 What's with all the bleedin' guides?! Shut up and start writing a guide to eat toast! I already followed your first guide and now I have some hot toast in front of me and I dno wtf to do with it -------------------------------------- Hail Stian Allaince and the emperor who can't spell. ;]
Kaaii	Posted - 2005.11.21 18:05:00 - [9] Originally by: MAcheTT3 What's with all the bleedin' guides?! Its guide envy..... "..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.." http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php
Cherad	Posted - 2005.11.21 19:10:00 - [10] "social engineering" Because there is no patch for human stupidity.
Fuesha	Posted - 2005.11.21 20:32:00 - [11] Claps Well done Macro Media, another succesfull guide on how to abuse peoples emotions and generaly be a complete arse hole. You should be banned from posting any more of your pathetics attemps at being cunning, your not intelegent and no one is impressed. Not one of your "Guides" can be done without the use of an alt, which in its self is an exploit of game mechanics. Your postings serve no other perpose than to encourage other player also into exploiting EVE and lending you the delusion that youve actualy acheived somthing other than ruining peoples game time. Give yourself a rest and earn your own cash for once you lazy halfwitt. Get your Corporation Involved:http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242
Firstname Lastname	Posted - 2005.11.21 21:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Fuesha Claps Well done Macro Media, another succesfull guide on how to abuse peoples emotions and generaly be a complete arse hole. You should be banned from posting any more of your pathetics attemps at being cunning, your not intelegent and no one is impressed. Not one of your "Guides" can be done without the use of an alt, which in its self is an exploit of game mechanics. Your postings serve no other perpose than to encourage other player also into exploiting EVE and lending you the delusion that youve actualy acheived somthing other than ruining peoples game time. Give yourself a rest and earn your own cash for once you lazy halfwitt. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Please, do continue.
Zeraph Dregamon	Posted - 2005.11.22 02:07:00 - [13] I think a ban for grieifng is called for here ! Ban all griefers !!!11 GH-SC
Archilies	Posted - 2005.11.22 02:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Macro Media Originally by: Archilies You spelt diamond wrong you muppet Oh how positive. No Really.... What is the point of this post? What purpose does it serve? How is the spelling of a word going to help people commit loan fraud? Its not is it? Pointless. It reminds me of people slagging off rich people. Rather than use their brains to get rich, they slag off rich people. why? what you mean why, it's theft an illegal act in my eyes, and immoral , people do it because they can't make their own money, and yes rich people should also loose all their money and help the poor out ps while im at it you spelt Believable wrong as well /me runs I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception
albert camus	Posted - 2005.11.22 06:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Fuesha Claps Well done Macro Media, another succesfull guide on how to abuse peoples emotions and generaly be a complete arse hole. You should be banned from posting any more of your pathetics attemps at being cunning, your not intelegent and no one is impressed. Not one of your "Guides" can be done without the use of an alt, which in its self is an exploit of game mechanics. Your postings serve no other perpose than to encourage other player also into exploiting EVE and lending you the delusion that youve actualy acheived somthing other than ruining peoples game time. Give yourself a rest and earn your own cash for once you lazy halfwitt. Over sensitive aren't we. Its a game everyone plays it how they see fit as long as they stick to ccp's rules everything goes & if you cant handle that and want to beat someone down for sharing something with us then this game is not for you.
Skyscorcher	Posted - 2005.11.22 09:26:00 - [16] Originally by: MAcheTT3 What's with all the bleedin' guides?! I was going to ask the same thing. Seriously. ______________________________ PLAY LIKE YA GOT A PAIR!
Jean	Posted - 2005.11.22 10:17:00 - [17] I completely agree with Fuesha on this... Misusing out-of-game mechanics to gain an advantage over someone in-game should be a bannable offense. However CCP dont see it as that... yet! These guides are totally useless... I've sponsored n00bs for millions upon billions of isk sofar and NEVER asked for any of it back. All you are achieving is that people like me wont be so forthcoming with our resources as we were before. Basically your biting the hand that feeds you Macro Media... Not a wise thing to do, EVE is still a game in which you wont make it far on yer own. ----------------------------- Specialist in Digital Analogy
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.22 10:59:00 - [18] Again, the reason for the sudden fury of guides all relates to the future can flagging. This blatent Carebear Loving caused me to give information to ore theives to still steal even more ore from corps and avoid getting canflagged as discussed in advanced theft 1. This will create even more thieves than before. If you think this is bad, all that I have published so far is the tamist 20%. Some things I have make even GCHQ look like noobs (Yes I mean GCHQ and not GHSC). The only person to stop me was a merc corp with regards to my POS theft lesson (Advanced Theft Lesson 4), so I will not be publishing that guide for 3 months. So put your money where your mouth is and put up or pay up! ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.22 11:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Skyscorcher Edited by: Skyscorcher on 22/11/2005 09:41:54 Originally by: MAcheTT3 What's with all the bleedin' guides?! I was going to ask the same thing. Seriously. And I just had a thought... why are all these people making these guides anyways? Information like this should be kept out of the hands of people who are possible targets... and since this is a public forum... I dunno, most of these guides will end up destroying themselves as more people become informed and preventive measures are put into place... and if these trust-breaking type scams become too widespread, their efficiency drops as it becomes harder and harder to gain someone's trust... and it may eventually get to the point where they don't even work at all because people refuse to trust each other for fear of betrayal. Exactly. I want EVE to mirror the real world! Carebears mirrored can theft with some guy stealing food in a resteraunt, so I will complete the analogy. ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
Handon Guild	Posted - 2005.11.22 11:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Archilies You spelt diamond wrong you muppet Oh my God, the stupidity. 1. what puts you in the position to correct the spelling of others - we all have different skills, some are good at spelling, and some are not so good. 2. If you don't know how to spell correctly yourself, don't correct others! It's not "spelt", it's "spelled". ..muppet! btw, all must die! ------------------------------------------------ A day of fun in Denmark
EvilSoldier	Posted - 2005.11.22 12:23:00 - [21] Edited by: EvilSoldier on 22/11/2005 12:23:40 Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Fuesha	Posted - 2005.11.22 14:51:00 - [22] Originally by: albert camus Over sensitive aren't we. Its a game everyone plays it how they see fit as long as they stick to ccp's rules everything goes & if you cant handle that and want to beat someone down for sharing something with us then this game is not for you. No, Albert Im not being oversensitive, Im not the only one whose simply had enough of Mr Macros guides. Theres only a certain amount of self congratulating, idiotic crap this comunity can take and I think we`ve just about reached the limit. I was wondering when someone was going to bring the point that this is game therefore "Nothing matters", and in one sense your quite right. EVE is indeed a virtual world, yet it is inhabited with real people. Just because the platform on which we interact is different dosnt mean that we can walk all over each other and disregard all sense of morality. I completely understand the need for Pirates and even ore thieves, what I dont understand is certain peoples obession with exploiting game mechanics and abusing peoples trust just to gain afew carebear kills? Macro media has oblivously spent a great deal of time and effort thinking up these ideas all with the aim of causing as much missery to peoples game time as possible. I am begining to dought the condition of his mental state. Perhaps he needs a hobby... Get your Corporation Involved:http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.22 15:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Fuesha No, Albert Im not being oversensitive, Im not the only one whose simply had enough of Mr Macros guides. Theres only a certain amount of self congratulating, idiotic crap this comunity can take and I think we`ve just about reached the limit. Hah! It looks like I may have upset you in another life... or another alt for lack of a better term :) One thing that has not been said is this - "Macro your guides are useless" Why not? Because they all WORK. ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
Skyscorcher	Posted - 2005.11.22 15:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Macro Media Exactly. I want EVE to mirror the real world! Carebears mirrored can theft with some guy stealing food in a resteraunt, so I will complete the analogy. hurm... ______________________________ PLAY LIKE YA GOT A PAIR!
Fuesha	Posted - 2005.11.22 16:11:00 - [25] Edited by: Fuesha on 22/11/2005 16:13:24 Edited by: Fuesha on 22/11/2005 16:12:38 Originally by: Macro Media Hah! It looks like I may have upset you in another life... or another alt for lack of a better term :) One thing that has not been said is this - "Macro your guides are useless" Why not? Because they all WORK.[/quote Well judging by the amount of alts youve made Im sure Ive run into you at some point and had reason to be offended... But to get back on track I will say this only once and purely for your benefit: "Macro your guides are useless" There Ive said it! Thank you and good night sir! Get your Corporation Involved:http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.22 16:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Fuesha Edited by: Fuesha on 22/11/2005 16:14:37 Originally by: Macro Media Hah! It looks like I may have upset you in another life... or another alt for lack of a better term :) One thing that has not been said is this - "Macro your guides are useless" Why not? Because they all WORK. Well judging by the amount of alts youve made Im sure Ive run into you at some point and had reason to be offended... But to get back on track I will say this only once and purely for your benefit: "Macro your guides are useless" There Ive said it! Thank you First you admit to have been defrauded by me, and when I publish the guide by how I did it, you say they are useless. Fair comment... But where does that leave you? ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
Fuesha	Posted - 2005.11.22 17:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Macro Media Originally by: Fuesha Edited by: Fuesha on 22/11/2005 16:14:37 Originally by: Macro Media Hah! It looks like I may have upset you in another life... or another alt for lack of a better term :) One thing that has not been said is this - "Macro your guides are useless" Why not? Because they all WORK. Well judging by the amount of alts youve made Im sure Ive run into you at some point and had reason to be offended... But to get back on track I will say this only once and purely for your benefit: "Macro your guides are useless" There Ive said it! Thank you First you admit to have been defrauded by me, and when I publish the guide by how I did it, you say they are useless. Fair comment... But where does that leave you? What a lovely play on words Mr Macro, I canot admit to being frauded by you because quite simply I dont know who you are, youve created so many alts and played so many parts I dout even you know who you are or indeed which is your "main". One of the main flaws in your designs is that they rely heavily on the potencial theifs abillities to Bull****, a talent which from reading your posts you oblivously have down to an art, yet the average EVE player might not posess this. And what offends me is your shameless promotion of greifing tactics. I have devoted much of my game time to helping newbies out (Often in the form of ISK) and the thought that one of those I help is actualy a theif just trying to get some quick ISK sickens me. You wanted to know why I find you so offensive, that is why... Get your Corporation Involved:http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=242
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.11.22 18:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Fuesha And what offends me is your shameless promotion of greifing tactics. I have devoted much of my game time to helping newbies out (Often in the form of ISK) and the thought that one of those I help is actualy a theif just trying to get some quick ISK sickens me. You wanted to know why I find you so offensive, that is why... And this is the difference between us. You give the newbie a fish, I on the otherhand, give them the fishing rod. Heck, I give them a pick-up truck to run down the fisherman and take all the fish for themselves. On the subject of alts, I tend to keep my alts for a long time, mostly indefently. If one gets know, I leave him on the backburner for a month or so, and people forget. So if corp recruitment is lax, then it is their problem, not mine. I mean, who in todays world recruits people without a solid reference? Heck, I could walk up and ask to join a random alliance tommorow and still get in, despite my posting history The only alt I can remember ever deleting was a chap called Johhny Murag, I cant remember the reason why, but I loan frauded a director about 120mil that he gave me out of the corp wallet, and about 180 mil in private investments from other people in the corp. Heck, I even got the guy to inty his way from 0.0 to high sec space to give me zyd for me to resell on. Thats perhaps another few mil. I cant remember much about that corp, other than it was part of an alliance and it had a cool guy called rex, and this was before they gave me hanger access. ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
PaNtHeeRa	Posted - 2005.11.23 12:03:00 - [29] Sounds like you would be a prized employee for your countries government making deals with other countries. And could you make a useful guide for someone like me who has some time and effort invested in developing something other then a disposable character. If every guide you make is based on disposable characters then perhaps you should be a little honest & call them disposable character guides? AFAIK disposable characters for use like stated in your guides in an rpg like "EVE" is like a fake bidder in ebay or something and your account should be banned already by ccp for not only practising but also inticing others to do the same. If I worked in CCP i would have you publicly flogged for your anti "EVE" ethos. Scum Bag
Prestidigitator	Posted - 2005.11.23 12:36:00 - [30] Can I summarise? :) Running into some character who has 15 months and a bunch of million SP's more than me, who ganks/ransoms/pirates/orethieves/scams/extorts from me is playing the game as it's meant, in keeping with 'immersion', and perfectly fine in my book. Running into a character who is the 37th 'disposable' alt of some vet player whose sole purpose is to convince me it is genuine whilst planning all the time on being deleted from the character selection screen in a few days time once it has been used to scam me....isn't. That's how I see it anyways. :)

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