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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Also so far not one person has noted the fact that null residents who take part in PVP frequently salvage their enemies defeated ships and wrecks and make a good income from dropped loot which is better quality than anything dropped by an NPC.
Please present some evidence of this, since every single sentence WE say must be back up by peer reviewed evidence. This is why you people are dishonest, you allow yourselves to belive things you can't prove, but hold us to a higher standard. I've been in null sec for 7 years and have witnessed very little post pvp salvaging. The part about making an income from dropped loot "which is better quality than anything dropped by an NPC" is just pure ignorance, this demonstates a person who hasn't spent a single second in sov null fleet warfare OR real null pve (Stain is not real null sec).
Now, I *MAY* be wrong, just perhaps, but every fleet doctrine I've seen revolves around the use of either meta4, or T2 tear. YOu get meta gear from NPCs (even in highsec), and T2 stuff is playermade.
Outside of some officer fits for supers, I don't really recall ever seeing a null fleet ship flying anything a highseccer couldn't get ahold of.
I may be wrong though. Who knows, Goons might be holding back an Estamael's Modified Blingfleet doctrine, for just the right moment... Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2013.09.09 13:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: grr goons.
How dare we not engage people in pve ships.
I demand all goons from now on rat in blingfit battleships, just like highsec folks.
Also, ITT we find out working together and playing smart are OP. CCP plz nurf friendship and intelligence. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2013.09.09 13:51:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:They are taking as much risk as the high secs. Local enables you to function in null with the same level of risk.
Here, let me give it a shot, maybe I can break through the wall.
Highsec is low risk because an outside, artificial intervention (CONCORD) makes it low risk.
Sovereign nullsec is low risk (for the owning alliance) because the people who live in the area make it low risk.
Depending on an outside, artificial intervention to protect you is quite unEVEish.
As is, ask TEST about how safe and low-risk null is. They might have a...unique perspective. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:06:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:They are taking as much risk as the high secs. Local enables you to function in null with the same level of risk. So people in high sec dock up their pve boats every time there neutrals in local? No because it would be a waste of time to do. Theres too many people in the mission hubs. In nullsec you can belt rat in empty systems and make 1 mil per kill. A neutral in null is a lot different than a neutral in high sec. One has meaning and can be viewed as a threat. In high sec not so much. Right so there is more risk in null. Nope. There isn't. You watch local and in null you can comfortably operate under the protocol of "if a non allied member is in local chat, dock up philosphy." In hisec to do so would mean never undocking. It's why afk cloaking is such a complaint for null sec alliances while in hgh sec its non existent. Wars would be the only exception. But i'm the lead voice in removing local chats compulsory use from all of EVE. Not just null and low.
Wait, so using appropriate risk management in areas of high risk makes an area less risky?
Also, take the magic unstoppable spacepolice away in highsec, you'll get the exact same behaviour. CONCORD makes highsec less risky. Full stop. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:20:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Malcanis wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:They are taking as much risk as the high secs. Local enables you to function in null with the same level of risk. That's rubbish and you know it. Unless you think CONCORD has exactly zero deterrent value. Do you? Concords deterrent factor is directly related to the value of the ship your flying. And in high sec where your alliance doesn't control space as many as 2000 non allied people can be in your system. 0-1999 could theoretically be planning your demise. You either stay docked up or play with the risk. In nullsec avoiding the danger is as simple as checking local. If a target is there that isn't allied you can dock/safe up and avoid the risk. Awoxing doesn't need be considered as that can happen in highsec as well.
So what you're saying is, and correct me if I'm wrong....there's a game mechanic in place that reduces your risk in highsec,so long as you aren't flying stupid.
Since this game mechanic doesn't exist in nullsec, there is substantially more risk involved in undocking anything, so in order to manage this risk, player characters have stepped in to provide the protection the game mechanic provided in high.
And this is wrong how? Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:56:00 -
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ITT I've also learned that Caliph Muhammed (pbuh) wants to buff highsec, and force everyone to play there. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:58:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: You can't see it coming like you can in nullsec. Im not going to write out a thesis.
Load up a 5 billion or so ship in jita and park it at a gate. Detect whos coming to kill you.
Load up a 5 billion isk ship in nullsec. Go park at a gate. Detect who coming to kill you.
So "some people might kill you" is more risk than "anyone not blue and possibly some blue will kill you"? I've already elaborated the difference, if you want to reduce to absurdity what i've stated do so. It's the interwebs. Is sitting in a 20 million isk cruiser in null sec more risky than sitting in a 5 billion isk battleship through high sec? IDK, you tell me. Risk is not an absolute.
Entirely more risky in Nullsec. Any Joe with a ship can fly up and try to kill you.
In high, they'd have to be organized enough to overwhelm you with damage before CONCORD shows up. Not many can, or are willing to do it. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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