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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:33:00 -
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Religious fanatics in my eve? Kick them out. +1 |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
476
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:34:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Hold on, some Christians sign up to a game, post some cans which are against the rules of the people who run the game they signed up to, then, actually not only cease doing it when being told the rules but wish to go on breaking those rules set down by the creators of the game and for everyone to ignore it.
But the people who are saying "stop breaking the rules" are the disrespectful ones? What?
If the cans bug you that much do a petition.
Do you think whining on the forum is going to stop people posting their beliefs? Do you honestly think you can expunge religion? Even if you managed to destroy every holy book of every religion that ever existed, another one will crop up. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Kerr Ironside
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:39:00 -
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I hate to interrupt your religious debate, but some of you seem to forget something: the right to believe doesn't mean the right to preach. Believe what you will, and keep it to yourselves and other members of your religious group. Your freedom of belief is granted; but nobody ever granted you any explicit right to proselyze. If someone tells you to stick that Jesus up yours, they are NOT taking away your freedom of belief in any way.
Actually, there are countries in the world where you'd end up in jail for trying to spread a religious message without prior consent.
Just sayin'.  |

Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:41:00 -
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Kerr Ironside wrote:I hate to interrupt your religious debate, but some of you seem to forget something: the right to believe doesn't mean the right to preach. Believe what you will, and keep it to yourselves and other members of your religious group. Your freedom is belief is granted; but nobody ever granted you any explicit right to proselyze. If someone tells you to stick that Jesus up yours, they are NOT taking away your freedom of belief in any way. Actually, there are countries in the world where you'd end up in jail for trying to spread a religious message without prior consent. Just sayin'. 
What if what you believe intrinsically includes preaching and conversion? |

Seven Koskanaiken
Clan Steel Wolves
209
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:45:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Hold on, some Christians sign up to a game, post some cans which are against the rules of the people who run the game they signed up to, then, actually not only cease doing it when being told the rules but wish to go on breaking those rules set down by the creators of the game and for everyone to ignore it.
But the people who are saying "stop breaking the rules" are the disrespectful ones? What? If the cans bug you that much do a petition. Do you think whining on the forum is going to stop people posting their beliefs? Do you honestly think you can expunge religion? Even if you managed to destroy every holy book of every religion that ever existed, another one will crop up.
This is literally so overboard it's like...I don't even...
"I'm going to bring this bacon sandwich into the moqsue" "No we don't allow that sorry" "Well I don't care, I'm bringing it in anyway, I have freedom to eat what I want and don't think you can wipe pigs off the face of the earth".
Which side is disrespecting who? |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
476
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:46:00 -
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Kerr Ironside wrote:I hate to interrupt your religious debate, but some of you seem to forget something: the right to believe doesn't mean the right to preach. Believe what you will, and keep it to yourselves and other members of your religious group. Your freedom of belief is granted; but nobody ever granted you any explicit right to proselyze. If someone tells you to stick that Jesus up yours, they are NOT taking away your freedom of belief in any way. Actually, there are countries in the world where you'd end up in jail for trying to spread a religious message without prior consent. Just sayin'. 
Understood and I don't disagree.
There are mechanisms in Eve that give players the tools to report things they find offensive. But if you read through this whole entire thread you find many people parodying other peoples beliefs, specifically Christianity. I run into things I find offensive, but do I whine and complain and say it should be banned? No, by no means, why you do and believe is your own prerogative. But acting like an angsty teen fighting "the man" is not going to convince anyone. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
478
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:51:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
This is literally so overboard it's like...I don't even...
"I'm going to bring this bacon sandwich into the moqsue" "No we don't allow that sorry" "Well I don't care, I'm bringing it in anyway, I have freedom to eat what I want and don't think you can wipe pigs off the face of the earth".
Which side is disrespecting who?
Don't play coy, from your previous posts I can surmise that you would "imagine a world with out religion"
My point was, do you think if CCP officially came out and said "No Religion remarks on cans" people would actually follow that rule? Or CCP would really enforce such a rule? Its kind of a huge waste of time, and a money sink to troll for a few cans that have a message on them. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:52:00 -
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I dont like revenge
Therefore, no matter how much religion really annoys me, I dont see why anyone would want to lower themselves to the hypocrisy of trying to treat religious people like they treat others and each other
I dont understand why this debate has changed from its original post to a stagnant attempt to gain the moral high ground by both "religious people" and "atheistas"
Both sides I feel would agree that revenge is wrong as it is a self perpetuating nightmare
See what y'all made me do, I had to put in an ettiquette chip and lost my accent for this rant :( |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15144
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:53:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:If the cans bug you that much do a petition. Why is it so hard to just follow the rules?
Quote:My point was, do you think if CCP officially came out and said "No Religion remarks on cans" people would actually follow that rule? Again, what's so hard about following the rules? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kult Altol wrote:If the cans bug you that much do a petition. Why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Quote:My point was, do you think if CCP officially came out and said "No Religion remarks on cans" people would actually follow that rule? Again, what's so hard about following the rules? Because, yes, that pretty much is the rule, and for some odd reason, a certain segment of players have a very hard time following itGǪ
I want y'all to marry my entire brood
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Sugar Von MurdererTits
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
60
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:57:00 -
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Wait, there are people who still believe in God? And some of them play Eve?
lol. |

Ammzi
Boob Heads Test Alliance Please Ignore
1365
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:58:00 -
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Shut the **** up OP - and biomass.
Thanks. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
478
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kult Altol wrote:If the cans bug you that much do a petition. Why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Why have a petition process if everyone followed the rules? Do you think everyone is going to follow the rules? Honestly? Quote:My point was, do you think if CCP officially came out and said "No Religion remarks on cans" people would actually follow that rule? Again, what's so hard about following the rules? Because, yes, that pretty much is the rule, and for some odd reason, a certain segment of players have a very hard time following itGǪ
Because in a sandbox game people are bound to break the rules, whether intentional or not. And another equally sized segment gets offended.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15145
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Posted - 2013.06.22 14:59:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Because in a sandbox game people are bound to break the rules, whether intentional or not. And another equally sized segment gets offended. That doesn't answer the question.
Why is it so hard for this particular segment of players to follow a very simple rule?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
478
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Because in a sandbox game people are bound to break the rules, whether intentional or not. And another equally sized segment gets offended. That doesn't answer the question. Why is it so hard for this particular segment of players to follow a very simple rule?
Because they choose not to follow the "simple" rule. If its such a"simple" it should not cause such a commotion. Or is all rule breaking equally bad? An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Clan Steel Wolves
210
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:07:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
This is literally so overboard it's like...I don't even...
"I'm going to bring this bacon sandwich into the moqsue" "No we don't allow that sorry" "Well I don't care, I'm bringing it in anyway, I have freedom to eat what I want and don't think you can wipe pigs off the face of the earth".
Which side is disrespecting who?
Don't play coy, from your previous posts I can surmise that you would "imagine a world with out religion" My point was, do you think if CCP officially came out and said "No Religion remarks on cans" people would actually follow that rule? Or CCP would really enforce such a rule? Its kind of a huge waste of time, and a money sink to troll for a few cans that have a message on them.
Dunno, I'm not CCP. They cared enough to kick that racist off the CSM ballot so obviously they are not totally laissez faire. |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
478
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:12:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Dunno, I'm not CCP. They cared enough to kick that racist off the CSM ballot so obviously they are not totally laissez faire.
I think that is because CSM is kind of an official position. Can't have a racist as your public face, lol.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Cyber Loner
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:16:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Shut the **** up OP - and biomass.
Thanks.
yea what he said |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15146
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:16:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Because they choose not to follow the "simple" rule. So basically, you're saying that just a bunch of unrepentant griefers GÇö they could easily follow the rules, but they're a bunch of [lower backs] and don't because they don't feel like it. Would you say that there is any way to stop them short of simply banning them completely?
Quote:If its such a"simple" it should not cause such a commotion. Non sequitur. The rule is ridiculously simple: don't bring religion into the game. What's causing the commotion has nothing to do with the simplicity of that rule, but with the apparent chronic inability of some people to follow it, and having no excuse for what they do. The rule does not cause any commotion at all; obnoxious behaviour does. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Report them for breaking the naming policy and/or (depending on the message) the rules forbidding solicitation. Emma Yobibit wrote:So you want to ban people's freedom of speech? There's no such freedom or right in EVE. Wrong !!!.
We nay not have the right but we do have the freedom. That fact we can add messages to cans proves this... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15146
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:18:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:We nay not have the right but we do have the freedom. That fact we can add messages to cans proves this. The fact that you're not allowed to put whatever you want into those messages proves that you don't.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Doc Severide wrote:We nay not have the right but we do have the freedom. That fact we can add messages to cans proves this. The fact that you're not allowed to put whatever you want into those messages proves that you don't. We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15146
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:22:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now... GǪexcept that they are stopping us. So yeah, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
478
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Because they choose not to follow the "simple" rule. So basically, you're saying that just a bunch of unrepentant griefers GÇö they could easily follow the rules, but they're a bunch of [lower backs] and don't because they don't feel like it. Would you say that there is any way to stop them short of simply banning them completely? Quote:If its such a"simple" it should not cause such a commotion. Non sequitur. The rule is ridiculously simple: don't bring religion into the game. What's causing the commotion has nothing to do with the simplicity of that rule, but with the apparent chronic inability of some people to follow it, and having no excuse for what they do. The rule does not cause any commotion at all; obnoxious behaviour does.
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills? Religion in the game does not bother me one bit.
Just like when individuals do things that are against naming conventions that are some what offense to others doesn't bother me.
There is only a small percentage of people that get offended at religion. Its like schools banning peanuts cause one kid has allergies, its insane. 
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
773
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:26:00 -
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I have to agree with the OP.
If it is not EVE related it really has no business in game (at least not public chat channels or on cans in space. This means RL politics / religions / national items / sports and yes by right that includes holidays like X-Mas.
I realize people mean well, but like everything there is a time and a place where things are appropriate. These things are not appropriate, you can discuss them in private channels all you want.
What should be done about the cans. They should be simply removed.
Priority for removal , LOW.
Let me say this again this is not about freedom of speech or whatever it is about a time and a place for what is appropriate. IF people can't understand it then they need to go back to school.
On a side note personally I could care less I have cans removed from my overview anyways cause they are filled with nothing but garbage anyways.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15147
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:28:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills? People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.
GǪand again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Doc Severide wrote:We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now... GǪexcept that they are stopping us. So yeah, no. People are STILL doing it....so how are they stopped? |

Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:29:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills? Religion in the game does not bother me one bit. Just like when individuals do things that are against naming conventions that are some what offense to others doesn't bother me. There is only a small percentage of people that get offended at religion. Its like schools banning peanuts cause one kid has allergies, its insane. 
The proof is the amount of arguing this thread contains.
Religion doesnt bother you because you are a religious person though.
The ban on religion in the game isnt due to religion's inherent harmfulness, its down to the fact it creates arguments and unresolvable debates like this one
Politics are banned for the same reason
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:30:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Tippia wrote:Doc Severide wrote:We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now... GǪexcept that they are stopping us. So yeah, no. People are STILL doing it....so how are they stopped?
Your point of view suggests that murder is a right as no one prevents you from doing it at the time |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:32:00 -
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People argue politics for hours in chat... |
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