Random is random. /thread

Randomly awful.

The sample size I have gone through is enough to demonstrate th drop ratio is very very low on these. With no 9/10 and 8/10's that very rarely drop anything it leaves few options for running DED sites.

I am just a regular tax paying player, and I agree with this message. The risk/reward is not weighed correctly with the escalating difficulty of the DED's.

The root cause of that problem is not the loot that drops in difficult deds, its sheer number of cruiser sized ship classes in this game leading to cruiser class module demand.

The risk vs reward on the DED's do not seem even close to me.

I see most run them with 3-4Bil Machs, this just does not add up.

It another example of the CCP hampster wheel of isk. run,run,run little hampster, spend your hours.

to run nine 8/10's in a row and get nothing seems wrong to me.

7/10 - No issues, they are fine as they are.

8/10 - The drop rate on these is ridiculous. I have run aprox 25 of these and only once did it drop the good loots. This seems like a broken reward system given the difficulty of the last room and the structure grind.

9/10' - Doesn't actually exist, it's an escalation.

10/10' - I have scanned literally hundreds if not thousands of systems and only found two of these.

The one site I was in a position to complete only dropped 400 mil. The mammoth and megathron structures could not be broken with a macharial and thorax which is what I had available at the time.

Smeg

There are 60 buyers a day for the pithum c-type items. There are 5 buyers a day for each of the centus c-type items. Just not enough tasks for pimp battleship fits. it is all about the demand.

I see plenty of b-type loot on the market right now so drops must be fine.

Yes, let's make DEDs easier and the loot drop more frequently so it becomes worthless like stuff from data/relic sites.

That was sarcasm, btw.

I'd honestly love to see some DED 11 and 12s that require more than one player (not account), have an element of risk, and require actual thought past when the guide goes up on Evelopedia.

It just seems to me that there are too many horrible explorers with horrible expectations, not that the sites are bad.

I've made a fortune exploring, just last night I pulled 2 Nightmare BPCs and some b-type loot out of 2 sansha 8/10s (the 3rd 8/10 dropped nothing but OPE). Having lived in all pirate faction space (only place I haven't lived or PVE'd much in is drone regions), I know for a fact that loot drops aren't broken.

And by "aren't broken" I mean "don't expect much in the 1st place". It has to work that way, even a small increase in loot drops makes the loot less valuable. As someone already said in this thread, there are already too many open sell orders for deadspace items in Jita, what can't of dumb idea would it be to make that worse?

Personally I haven't made a dime less than 7 billion isk per month exploring and ratting in null sec since late 2009. 2 months ago i bought a Jump Freighter with nothing more than 2 weeks of complex running (yea, I got really lucky, among the other loot I got 3 omega implants , 3 Bhall BPCs and 4 Nightmare BPCs in less than 8 days).

The answer isn't improving loot drops, it's for explorers to figure out how how to run the sites faster to compensate for the evil random number generator (as well as other things like creating a "complex market" if whatever space you live in so you can just buy complexes instead of scanning them down or waiting for escalations). I even explore in hostile space (Black Ops for the win).

TL;DR, stop being horrible explorers and make the system work for you.

P.S. If you can't break the Mammoth with a Thorax and mach you probably need to train more skills, I do the Angel 10/10 with Just a Machariel with sentry drones and high end implants and tech2 ammo doing 1500+ dps and never had a problem. Last room isn't hard with a Micro jump Drive (jump away out of the antimatter channeler"s Torp Range, let the rest of the room come to you and drop tem as they approach, jump on to the boss, pop him, loot and go, dual boxing would be quicker but i like it like this.

So you're a great and skilled explorer because ... you're lucky? 3x 8/10 DED complexes in one night and pulling 2x faction BS BPCs and b-type stuff out of them is lucky.

And every explorer - besides you - with bad luck is just horrible?

Yeah got it.

I mean for cripes sake, THINK about it, if CCP made exploration give better rewards AND there is already a bunch of deadspace loot sitting in jita unsold, what does more loot mean?

It means LESS VALUE.

One would think that after what happened to professional sites and their loot value, people understood.

Point is you can only blame market not loot tables.Caldari space DED sites modules are too good,and maybe some rebalance in stats would fix prices.You have few modules in Serpentis space that are good but not even close to Gurista ones.It is even worse if you go and do Sansha and Angel ones.

Mission runners and ratters mostly fly shield tanked ships ,and all of them like to have those shiny invul fields that drop in Caldari space.If current meta changes in favor of armor ships maybe we will see changes in prices.