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Vicious Edwards Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:35:00 - [1] - Quote Hi I had a encounter today that has pushed me to the brink of fully quitting eve forever! So let me begin I made a school boy error and signed up to a corp that not only got 50million oak out of me but also my ships. My toon only had 3.7million sp and I am thinking of just completely starting again with a new character etc and try to go a pvp/pve route. Would anyone else do what u am thinking or is it just a waste of my time?
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 299	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:50:00 - [2] - Quote Yes
Velarra 246	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:54:00 - [3] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Hi I had a encounter today that has pushed me to the brink of fully quitting eve forever! So let me begin I made a school boy error and signed up to a corp that not only got 50million oak out of me but also my ships. My toon only had 3.7million sp and I am thinking of just completely starting again with a new character etc and try to go a pvp/pve route. Would anyone else do what u am thinking or is it just a waste of my time? Well, if you're planning to fully quit forever, Can i .. your stu... Erm. Right! It's gone More seriously where did you invest those 3.7 million SP? Which skills? Eve tends to reward perseverance, staying the course & being disciplined about your choices. Many might suggest that keeping the 3.7m SP you have now as the thing to do. At some point you may want them vs. starting new & fresh. In the interest of playing devils' advocate I'd argue that starting fresh gives you the opportunity to make a new character, perhaps without the errors and unwanted skills you accidentally chose to train while very new. In fact, in the grande scheme of all things Eve, 3.7m isn't a huge quantity of SP or time invested. Restarting from 3.7m is painless compared with say 37. In brief - there are good reasons to make a new character or keep your current one. If i didn't like my characters skills, name, and perhaps history in eve, - some of the people you've met or who know you? I'd seriously consider making a new character & keeping the current character as an alt.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1569	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:56:00 - [4] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Hi I had a encounter today that has pushed me to the brink of fully quitting eve forever! So let me begin I made a school boy error and signed up to a corp that not only got 50million oak out of me but also my ships. My toon only had 3.7million sp and I am thinking of just completely starting again with a new character etc and try to go a pvp/pve route. Would anyone else do what u am thinking or is it just a waste of my time? Restarting is, generally, pointless. Just change your skill plan on your current character. The only difference is, your clone will cost /slightly/ more. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Vicious Edwards Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:01:00 - [5] - Quote As a extra to add I have no isk and no ship so that's whats killing me
Velarra 246	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:05:00 - [6] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: As a extra to add I have no isk and no ship so that's whats killing me A good corp that's supportive of new players learning the ins & outs of Eve should be able to help you with those issues.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 300	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:07:00 - [7] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: As a extra to add I have no isk and no ship so that's whats killing me Post a pic of yourself in a dress with a tampon stuck up your nose. Have your EVE screen in the background to prove it's you and I'll send ya some isk.
Jonah Gravenstein Caliban Logistics and Storage 9285	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:08:00 - [8] - Quote Consider it a lesson learned, it's better to get stung for 50 million and some cheap ships early on than it is to get stung for 500 million and all your expensive ships later on. Ship wise you have an inexhaustible supply of newbie frigs which can be used for doing low-end PvE to kick-start your wallet again, while generally shite they're A: free, and B: pretty effective in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing. I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1570	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:29:00 - [9] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: As a extra to add I have no isk and no ship so that's whats killing me Go do some of the Tutorial missions. It'll get you restarted. You won't be able to use the same agents as before, but there are plenty of others. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Vortexo VonBrenner Coldest Sea Sailing 497	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:29:00 - [10] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Restarting is, generally, pointless. Just change your skill plan on your current character. Gû¦Gû¦Gû¦ this Start out from scratch keeping that character. I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming.
Inokuma Yawara University of Caille Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.06.24 02:08:00 - [11] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Hi So let me begin I made a school boy error and signed up to a corp that not only got 50million oak out of me but also my ships. Yeah. In my case, I did a lot of research and found that corporations like that one exist. You have to do your homework and figure out which corporations are trustworthy and which ones will rob you blind. Uh.... Like the n00b that I am, I didn't think to bookmark that link with the good advice about how to sniff out the bad corps. However, here's a link with a wealth of real good info for beginners. It was compiled by Mara Rinn. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=77176
Ace Menda Phoibe Enterprises 79	Posted - 2013.06.24 04:47:00 - [12] - Quote You fell for one of the oldest scams in EVE and plenty of warning posts about that online about "Do not give ISK to join a corp". Thus I dont feel sorry for you in that way. Read this guide on how to find a good corp: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245333&find=unread Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
Capt Gauss WhiteFang Industries 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 05:36:00 - [13] - Quote you can always go for mining, very low sp threshold and very steady income. I'm making 1~2 mil an hour just by afk mining highsec carebearing (though not recommended) in a quiet region of the galaxy.
Eta Carinea State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 06:50:00 - [14] - Quote 1st Name the corp so some of us other newbs don't make the same mistake.. 2nd capitalize on your existing skills, and ensure you wage a war on them the likes they have never known.
Aidan Brooder Dynasphere Ltd. 282	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:44:00 - [15] - Quote You made a mistake. Happens to all of us and has a tendency to happen to new players more often. Keep the character, starting a new one doesn't give you any benefit. In a year or so you will look at your grandious virtual self and laugh about the few ships you lost to that scam. Skill points are never really wasted, no matter what you learned so far. Also, once you have some substantial amount of ISK, know that there are excellent mercenary services out there. (But make sure you read up on their credibility, or the next scam is around the corner...) Blog: http://aidanbrooder.wordpress.com My EVE YouTube Vids (most recent): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2alSWxXQbI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEzNNYSlDE
Schmata Bastanold Keep It Burning Stupid 863	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:49:00 - [16] - Quote Hmm, last corp in your history is Disciples of Acheron [RPAIN] and you were a member for over 2 weeks. So what happened, they suddenly scammed you for 50 mil and all your ships? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Noddy Comet Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog 64	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:52:00 - [17] - Quote Eta Carinea wrote: 1st Name the corp so some of us other newbs don't make the same mistake.. Without actually naming names in teh forumz.. it's quite simple to see the history. Click on his current corp name under his avatar to see the employment history listed there.
Forest Archer Explorer Corps Disavowed. 53	Posted - 2013.06.24 11:02:00 - [18] - Quote Only problem with that is the method used is has the player apply hand over Isk and ships then rejects them and the player never joins the corp. its a method null sec alliances have been using for years. Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up.

ISD Cura Ursus ISD Community Communications Liaisons 144	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:20:00 - [19] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: Vicious Edwards wrote: As a extra to add I have no isk and no ship so that's whats killing me REDACTED. -- ISD Cura Ursus Really? That was stale. Be nice to the new players. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 306	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:40:00 - [20] - Quote ISD Cura Ursus wrote: Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: Vicious Edwards wrote: As a extra to add I have no isk and no ship so that's whats killing me REDACTED. -- ISD Cura Ursus Really? That was stale. Be nice to the new players. NEVER...really, I was being nice...in a funny way and giving him a non-traditional way of making his isk back. I would have payed a king's sum for that pic. Singing on comms to save your ship isn't completely out of the ordinary to encounter in game, too. Is it ok if he sings us this to get some isk back?
Freighdee Katt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 207	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:44:00 - [21] - Quote Start over if you want; two months is not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. But if you do start over, and you want to start right, just join one of the large, legit noob corps. There are several. EVE University, Red v. Blue, and Brave Newbies, Inc. all come to mind. These are corps where lots and lots of new people just like you join to learn the game. Unlike 95% of crappy little two-man high sec corps in game, they will give you real help like free skillbooks and cheap ships and fittings to use while you're learning to play (and learning how to make ISK on your own). And when you're ready to move on, you will find that a lot of legit and more "elite" corps recruit from these big high sec noob corps to fill their ranks. There are also a few starter corps that have pretty good communities, and you can join those for free just by rolling a new alt in the right school. Center for Applied Studies (Gallente) is the only one that I have personal knowledge of, but there may be other starter corps that have long term helpful players. They will also have a certain run of trolling alts who just use the NPC corp as a personal decshield. But they're still better than 80% of the player corps you will find. Getting in with a good group of fellow noobs at the start will make a huge difference in how much fun you have and how long you ultimately stay. It's probably the biggest single "easy" choice you can make at the start to improve your experience.
Tixam Quri Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:51:00 - [22] - Quote Do all of your factions tutorials. Sell all of the ships you get from the missions. Do all of another factions tutorials. Sell those ships. You will end up with either a bunch of ships or several million isk or both. That should be enough for a jumpstart.
Iso Propyl Disciples of Acheron Entrepreneur Associates of Eve Coaliton 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 22:46:00 - [23] - Quote As one of the founding members of his last corp I find this whole thread deplorable. Since the first time i met Vicious Edwards he has feigned not knowing what to do in Eve. We have spent countless hours giving him advice, giving him ships and equipment and generally trying to be his friend. He would log on and we would say hello to him and he would start out by saying he was lost, day after day. We have never once asked him for one ISK, NOT ONE! We have never, nor will we ever ask for ISK for a player to join us or continue to be a member of the corp. The only thing we ask of our members is to participate once a week in a corp mining op for a minimum 3 hours. AND, that mining op isn't a requirement. So before you automatically assume the person posting this whine thread is telling the truth, you might ask one of the corp members. There are plenty to randomly ask too. Iso Propyl, Co-Ceo & Director Disciples of Acheron
Vicious Edwards Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:21:00 - [24] - Quote Disciples Of Acheron were not the ones scamming me, they are good people that helped me alot in my early days. Bryndolph Vermagnus gave me some ships and stuff when I started which I thank him for. I have sorted my issue out with the right people.
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 2440	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:33:00 - [25] - Quote Btw you might wanna double check the situation in-game... The Drake is a Lie
Vicious Edwards Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.24 23:53:00 - [26] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Btw you might wanna double check the situation in-game... What do you mean?
Yusef Brion Big Yellow Pidgeon Inc. 7	Posted - 2013.06.25 20:06:00 - [27] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: As a extra to add I have no isk and no ship so that's whats killing me Go to another different set of Career Agents in one of the rookie systems. Restart the Epic Arc. You'll be good in less than a week. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
Radius Prime Tax Evading Ass. 74	Posted - 2013.06.25 23:55:00 - [28] - Quote Time is the only asset that cannot be bought in EVE Online and that is what makes it and the skill points that come along with it priceless. Unless your skills are truly ridiculous you should never think about restarting. You might say " but I can buy skill points by buying a toon". This is not true.. a bought toon will always be looked down upon and it will never feel truly yours since you didn't put in any time creating it nor did you make the skill choices that make it unique and personalize it yourself. Furthermore a bought toon can have a history a mile long, require a shitload of repetitive missioning to get standings and could be a hated pirate for all you know. The kill sheet, friends and enemies that come with it will never be yours as well. All you will ever be is "that guy who bought X's account". Your original toon is your EVE identity and your passport proof of experience. Cherish and value it as it is part of your future in this game. Some major alliances require you to still own your original toon even when you have 20 alts. They will not recruit newbs with bought toons. Hope you keep this in mind. TLTR: I recommend you keep it. Fly hard o/ Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.
Grozen Titan Core 11	Posted - 2013.06.26 04:22:00 - [29] - Quote Sent you lil something to help you out. knowledge is power.
Ali Aras Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind 305	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:43:00 - [30] - Quote Keep the same character-- when I resubbed I decided to do so on ali instead of making a new character, and that decision has saved me a couple of skilltrains ("wait, why the f--- did I think remote armor repair systems 5 was a good decision? I haven't used it for months...welll....okay, now I can fly logi"). I did so even though I had some bad associations with previous play attempts. Like others have said, keep at it, you'll be able to pick yourself up and get back on your feet in no time :) If you haven't tried it yet, ninja salvaging is a fantastic way to make a lot of isk in a cheap ship-- think of yourself as basically a Remora alongside a shark (missioning boat. Like sharks, they frequently do not bite) http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog
Vicious Edwards BlackLung Blues.inc 0	Posted - 2013.06.26 11:54:00 - [31] - Quote Just to clear some issues up, it was goonwaffle that scammed me, but I have done some research I am not the first person to be scammed but I will learn from this and be stronger. I have been helped by some very friendly people who I wish to thank! And no I won't be singing but I will give you isk if you jump out of your window and put the video on youtube :) have a nice day
Tsukino Stareine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2013.06.26 12:20:00 - [32] - Quote move on, you can come back from this, the way eve is designed allows it
Maika Mabata State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.26 12:33:00 - [33] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Just to clear some issues up, it was goonwaffle that scammed me, but I have done some research I am not the first person to be scammed but I will learn from this and be stronger. I have been helped by some very friendly people who I wish to thank! And no I won't be singing but I will give you isk if you jump out of your window and put the video on youtube :) have a nice day Wait. You got scammed by Goonwaffe. HAHAHAHA. Sorry, but then you had it coming. They have been using that scam for at least 3 years (the time I spent in EVE) and it was heavily documented that they use it. Hell, with some research you would have also known that the only way to get into Goonwaffe is by being a SA poster. So you are the only single person to blame and should not have come complaining or what so ever about it. The only thing you likely did research on is see who the biggest was and you wanted to join them. So, too bad, but those type of players are not the players I will even help out by giving them some ISK to get back on their feet. And I don't see why others did it. Rather would have seen they used that ISK in a good way. If you did some research and would have been wronged, I would be very grateful to help you get back on your feet.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10354	Posted - 2013.06.26 12:51:00 - [34] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Hi I had a encounter today that has pushed me to the brink of fully quitting eve forever! So let me begin I made a school boy error and signed up to a corp that not only got 50million oak out of me but also my ships. My toon only had 3.7million sp and I am thinking of just completely starting again with a new character etc and try to go a pvp/pve route. Would anyone else do what u am thinking or is it just a waste of my time? No need to start a new character unless they somehow stole your skillpoints as well. Sorry you got scammed, but in some ways it's best for this to happen early, rather than you learn a lesson from losing years of accumulated assets rather than a few weeks. 1 Kings 12:11
Ned Taggart The Scope Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.06.26 13:25:00 - [35] - Quote Wow, that sucks, sorry to hear you got scammed. Re-rolling seems like it would be a waste of time. Its not like you lost anything SP wise, you can always add to what you have. If anything, re-rolling will be a waste of time when you start training needed skills you already have. As for items, yeah, either redo newbie tutorials and get new items or buy a plex and cash it in.
Vicious Edwards BlackLung Blues.inc 0	Posted - 2013.06.26 14:18:00 - [36] - Quote Well I have turned stuff around so when I see troll post I laugh. I am about to set up another account for pvp matters and use my main for industry. I have some ships so I am back in a good place. I am now in a friendly corp that has given me some advice. To the person that says I should have researched I have not been play eve for a long time and I put a message in the recruitment chat and goonwaffle came to me. So I did not even know who they were etc
Maika Mabata State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.26 14:24:00 - [37] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Well I have turned stuff around so when I see troll post I laugh. I am about to set up another account for pvp matters and use my main for industry. I have some ships so I am back in a good place. I am now in a friendly corp that has given me some advice. To the person that says I should have researched I have not been play eve for a long time and I put a message in the recruitment chat and goonwaffle came to me. So I did not even know who they were etc So. You just joined the first corp that contacted you. With out knowing who they were etc. So...still the same, it was your own fault. Hell there is actually a very decent guide here on the foruns about how to find your corp. You decided to not do any research at all and just join what ever approaches you. This migh work i other MMOs but doesnt in EVE.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 312	Posted - 2013.06.26 14:27:00 - [38] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Well I have turned stuff around so when I see troll post I laugh. I am about to set up another account for pvp matters and use my main for industry. I have some ships so I am back in a good place. I am now in a friendly corp that has given me some advice. To the person that says I should have researched I have not been play eve for a long time and I put a message in the recruitment chat and goonwaffle came to me. So I did not even know who they were etc Eh, it's not that bad if you're super new...who expects a whole website dedicated to giving someone a space wedgie? Welcome to EVE. Now that you know how to get in goons, do it. Then do nothing but post links to old men giving each other head in fleet chat while stuff is happening. FC > x up You > nude gay men.jpg FC > shut up You > more nude gay men now fisting butts.jpg ^^ like that And always remember to ask if you can bring a Drake.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10363	Posted - 2013.06.26 15:18:00 - [39] - Quote Maika Mabata wrote: Vicious Edwards wrote: Well I have turned stuff around so when I see troll post I laugh. I am about to set up another account for pvp matters and use my main for industry. I have some ships so I am back in a good place. I am now in a friendly corp that has given me some advice. To the person that says I should have researched I have not been play eve for a long time and I put a message in the recruitment chat and goonwaffle came to me. So I did not even know who they were etc So. You just joined the first corp that contacted you. With out knowing who they were etc. So...still the same, it was your own fault. Hell there is actually a very decent guide here on the foruns about how to find your corp. You decided to not do any research at all and just join what ever approaches you. This migh work i other MMOs but doesnt in EVE. He's not saying it wasn't his fault. Jeez, he's not whining, he's asking for advice. No need to kick him while he's down. 1 Kings 12:11
Vicious Edwards BlackLung Blues.inc 0	Posted - 2013.06.26 16:02:00 - [40] - Quote I am not bothered by their immature comments, people like them are the type of people who have no friends and are to scared to go outside! Like I said I have learnt from it and doing the right things. Thanks to all the helpful people and to the trolls you are very boring.
Sunshyn LaBlond 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2013.06.30 00:56:00 - [41] - Quote There is no benefit to starting over. Training time is real time so it's just wasted if it's not used. You got hoodwinked, learn and move on. No corp worth joining will require anything of you but to log in and pitch in on occasion. Anyone asking for money or that you park ships in their hangar, is a scam artist. Nothing more than an email application and probably a voice comm chat is a 'normal' process. If you run into someone demanding more than an API, just walk away. There are thousands of corps in Eve, and none are worth paying to get into. Most just want active players and are far more afraid of thieves and spies than you are of being ripped off. You got taken by other newbs. Nothing you could own this soon would really be worth the effort for anyone else to take. I'm not being mean, it's just true- I could make more money in a single level 4 mission in high sec than most newbs' whole hangars are worth. Which is why you won't find high end players doing this stuff to newbs. We just have better things to do than scam a few T1 hulls from a newbie. All I can say is get out of high sec, get away from trade hubs. Find someone that just wants players that actually log in, and you'll instantly love this game again.
Rogue Vol Vol Corporation 6	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:14:00 - [42] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Hi I had a encounter today that has pushed me to the brink of fully quitting eve forever! So let me begin I made a school boy error and signed up to a corp that not only got 50million oak out of me but also my ships. My toon only had 3.7million sp and I am thinking of just completely starting again with a new character etc and try to go a pvp/pve route. Would anyone else do what u am thinking or is it just a waste of my time? It just gets worse for you, oak prices are skyrocketing.
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 284	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:41:00 - [43] - Quote Just some advice - for 6 months, you have a lot of corps showing for your employment history. You went through what - a dozen different player corporations? That may work in some games but this one... That's a lot of "trust" in strangers for this game world being as your history looks like sampling time as you bounced around a lot. Take time and: 1) check the corporations info and history 2) spend a few days in their recruitment channel talking with them and others who swing by 3) talk to people who are in that corp and who left / no longer are in it. If you can handle some of the snide comments here and shrug it off, I'm also sure you can develop a sense of patience and research things a bit more before "trusting" and jumping in and people who left making nasty comments - you should have the ability to "filter" that a bit for what you find of value/interest vs their own self-points of view.
Vicious Edwards Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.30 11:55:00 - [44] - Quote Yes I have made my way through a lot of corps, I did take a big of a break from Eve as the learning curve destroyed me but I returned this happened and I will learn. I am now without a corp and taking to mission running with the aim of heading out to null sec in the next few months.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1543	Posted - 2013.07.01 05:55:00 - [45] - Quote Vicious Edwards wrote: Hi Ah, I see you've met the notorious Goonswarm. Eve Rule #1: Never trust a Goon. But there is a silver lining: Once you've been playing for, heck, as little as six months (which is nothing in EvE terms) you'll look back at 50,000,000ISK as being the kind of chump change that falls out of your sock, rolls under the couch, and you can't even be bothered with picking up. The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight.

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