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Squall heart	Posted - 2005.11.24 17:42:00 - [1] OK I just completed gathering this info from the test server, so it may not be a totally accurate picture of whats to come in the tranq' release, buts it's a good picture of whats to come. One quick thing - from what I can see the velocity penalty has been removed, but as I didn't undock to check im not 100% sure. Here goes :- 50mm C.C - 15k kg Nano - 17.5k kg Rolled - 13.75k kg steel - 18.75k kg T2 - 18.75k kg 100mm C.C - 30k kg Nano - 35k kg Rolled - 27.5k kg steel - 37.5k kg T2 - 37.5k kg 200mm C.C - 150k kg Nano - 175k kg Rolled - 137.5k kg steel - 187.5k kg T2 - 187.5k kg 400mm C.C - 300k kg Nano - 350k kg Rolled - 275k kg steel - 375k kg T2 - 375k kg 800mm C.C - 1.5M kg Nano - 1.75M kg Rolled - 1.375M kg steel - 1.875M kg T2 - 1.875M kg 1600mm C.C - 3M kg Nano - 3.5M kg Rolled - 2.75M kg steel - 3.75M kg T2 - 3.75M kg (another thing I should note is that I only have hull upgrades 4 so I assumed that the mass penalty for tech 2 is the same as its tech 1 counterpart, thats what i could see from the 50mm, 100mm and 200mm anyway) Well enjoy, and i hope that no-one else has posted something similar recently...
Aakron	Posted - 2005.11.24 17:49:00 - [2] Surely Nano Plates should be the lightest as they no longer have the 5%velocity benefit over the other plates??
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.24 17:50:00 - [3] Nano plates aren't the lightest?! Nano should be lightest, then CC, then titanium, then rolled tungsten. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Squall heart	Posted - 2005.11.24 17:53:00 - [4] Thats what I thought as well, but it not seems the more bonus to armor you get, the lighter it is, apart from tech 2. Atleast thats what it looks like to me
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.24 17:58:00 - [5] "Surely Nano Plates should be the lightest as they no longer have the 5%velocity benefit over the other plates??" You'd think that's logical thing to do, but no. Been like this for quite a while, and was pointed out as possible mistake as well... there should be older thread i made reporting the state of plates on SiSi, buried some 20+ pages further down on this forum o.O;
keepiru	Posted - 2005.11.24 18:27:00 - [6] So, theyre keeping the mass/hp inverse relation for names plates... And i see theyre firmly trying to get us to use 200 and 800 on frig/cruiser. Anyone apart from me think 3M kg is much worse than 25m sig? ------------- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP?
Tessa Vaako	Posted - 2005.11.24 19:31:00 - [7] 50mm Rolled - 13.75k kg Is this correct? Strikes me that should be 17.75k kg Mass affects what exactly? Ship agility and acceleration? -- Don't Run. You'll Only Die Tired.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Tessa Vaako 50mm Rolled - 13.75k kg Is this correct? Strikes me that should be 17.75k kg Mass affects what exactly? Ship agility and acceleration? exactly. ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
keepiru	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:11:00 - [9] Agility acceleration and top speed when using ab/mwd. And, CCP obviousy decided to make a linear scale from 1 to tungsten, with mass going down and hp going up. Which makes tungsten plates the best all-round. No problem with that here, tbh, the best named shield extenders also add the least signature - of course the question remains of why t2 extenders give more hp than best named and plates dont... ------------- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP?
Linavin	Posted - 2005.11.24 20:25:00 - [10] Originally by: keepiru And i see theyre firmly trying to get us to use 200 and 800 on frig/cruiser. Now they get some damn named 800mms in game --- Where are the named 800mm Plates CCP?
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.11.24 21:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 24/11/2005 21:09:14 Edited by: Maya Rkell on 24/11/2005 21:08:46 Originally by: keepiru So, theyre keeping the mass/hp inverse relation for names plates... And i see theyre firmly trying to get us to use 200 and 800 on frig/cruiser. Anyone apart from me think 3M kg is much worse than 25m sig? Just mildly. And even the 200 hurts a frig MUCH worse than the sig increase for a small. And the T2's are worthless scrap. (and yes, the lack of named 800's is now REALLY gping to hurt. Even if they introduced them today, they'll still be expensive as heck come RMR, and with demand soaring...ouch :/) "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2005.11.25 03:45:00 - [12] If I add 800mm over the entire surface of my cruiser, then do the same thing to a battleship, the mass added would be enormously different. Adding a plating should increase the mass of your ship by some factor of the surface area of your ship. Ships don't have a surface area stat, so use starting mass or volume. How can they rationalize adding a static xx kg per plate size, am I missing something?
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:10:00 - [13] Nanofiber plates should indeed be the lightest. There's not much room for creative decision here on part of the devs, it's only logical. So making nanofiber not the lightest is a logical error
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:11:00 - [14] Edited by: throbbinnoggin on 25/11/2005 05:12:35 I see this change as kind of a nerfage to t2 steel plates. Currently on tranq, they have one drawback; their fitting - cpu/grid. T2 steel plates have the same speed penalty as all plates at 10%, save the nano at 5%. If this change goes through as is, they will have a double penalty. Both higher fitting requirements and the same mass penalty as t1. Solution: Lower the fitting requirements of t2 steel plates to match t1. or Lower the mass penalty of t2 steel plates to match best named - rolled tungston. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
Hobblin I	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:28:00 - [15] Edited by: Hobblin I on 25/11/2005 05:34:57 Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 24/11/2005 21:09:14 Edited by: Maya Rkell on 24/11/2005 21:08:46 Originally by: keepiru So, theyre keeping the mass/hp inverse relation for names plates... And i see theyre firmly trying to get us to use 200 and 800 on frig/cruiser. Anyone apart from me think 3M kg is much worse than 25m sig? Just mildly. And even the 200 hurts a frig MUCH worse than the sig increase for a small. And the T2's are worthless scrap. (and yes, the lack of named 800's is now REALLY gping to hurt. Even if they introduced them today, they'll still be expensive as heck come RMR, and with demand soaring...ouch :/) Honestly Maya, I don't know what you are talking about. But I don't think you have tested this to know. Crusader : SISI monopropellant 1mn AB 200mm rolled plate speed = 1201m/s Crusader : TRANQ monoprop 1mn ab 200mm rolled plate speed = 1133m/s --------------------------------------------- YES, my crusader with a 200mm plate is 80 m/s faster than my same crusader on todays server with plates. I see that as a gain tbh. Zealot: Sisi 800 tech II plate: (4602 armor) speed 258m/s Zealot : Tran 800tech II plate : (4102 armor) speed 232 m/s
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.11.25 08:31:00 - [16] Looks stupid to me. The mass should be inverse to the hp, if anything. How can nanofiber and crystalline carbonide ever be heavier than massive chunks of metal? If they gave more HP, I could understand, because they'd need more plating since theyre more fragile, but less hp AND more mass? WTF is that all about. That being said, this is a fantasy game, not reality. Everything doesnt neccessarily have to make sense. There's no such thing as Warp Technology or Railguns :P
Knoppaz	Posted - 2005.11.25 08:58:00 - [17] Edited by: Knoppaz on 25/11/2005 09:01:56 It seems to be more like: 50/100 Frig/Dessy 200/400 Cruiser/HAC BC 800/1600 BS ___________________
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2005.11.25 13:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Knoppaz Edited by: Knoppaz on 25/11/2005 09:01:56 It seems to be more like: 50/100 Frig/Dessy 200/400 Cruiser/HAC BC 800/1600 BS Forgive me but 800 is useless on a bs, 200 is useless on a cruiser, and 50 is just plain useless. after RMR imo: 100/200 - frig/dessie 400/800 - cruiser/bc 1600 - bs Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
Knoppaz	Posted - 2005.11.25 13:39:00 - [19] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: Knoppaz Edited by: Knoppaz on 25/11/2005 09:01:56 It seems to be more like: 50/100 Frig/Dessy 200/400 Cruiser/HAC BC 800/1600 BS Forgive me but 800 is useless on a bs, 200 is useless on a cruiser, and 50 is just plain useless. after RMR imo: 100/200 - frig/dessie 400/800 - cruiser/bc 1600 - bs This was regarding the mass difference of the plates. I never said something about usefullness If you just look at the mass of the plates, my assumption doesn't seem to be that much off. That the Devs and the players may have a different view on things is a completely different story.. ___________________
StarLite	Posted - 2005.11.25 14:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Testy Mctest Looks stupid to me. The mass should be inverse to the hp, if anything. How can nanofiber and crystalline carbonide ever be heavier than massive chunks of metal? If they gave more HP, I could understand, because they'd need more plating since theyre more fragile, but less hp AND more mass? WTF is that all about. That being said, this is a fantasy game, not reality. Everything doesnt neccessarily have to make sense. There's no such thing as Warp Technology or Railguns :P Railguns DO exist tho :) ___________________________________________________
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2005.11.25 14:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Knoppaz Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: Knoppaz Edited by: Knoppaz on 25/11/2005 09:01:56 It seems to be more like: 50/100 Frig/Dessy 200/400 Cruiser/HAC BC 800/1600 BS Forgive me but 800 is useless on a bs, 200 is useless on a cruiser, and 50 is just plain useless. after RMR imo: 100/200 - frig/dessie 400/800 - cruiser/bc 1600 - bs This was regarding the mass difference of the plates. I never said something about usefullness If you just look at the mass of the plates, my assumption doesn't seem to be that much off. That the Devs and the players may have a different view on things is a completely different story.. Agreed, going by the above figures it appears that the devs are attempting to class them this way . I misunderstood your post - thought that was your opinion in terms of usefulness. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'

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