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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:17:00 -
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I had the pleasure of meeting one of the SA members the other day....OH no sorry not pleasure, let me think, yeah it was more like someone poking me in the back repeatedly.
I was happily scouting roid fields for NPC blood, I have a nice new ship to try out and my balls have started to feel like steel. When I returned to the station I had a welcoming committee or was it the heavies. Well they proceeded to kick me out using there 3 BS as a show of small *********...er I mean strength.
Now it doesn't bother me that I was booted out because if I was a lone traveller then I wouldn't have moved but because they were going to threaten my Corp if I didn't I decided to go.
But how can they get away with it, surely there are enough local corps to hassle them at the HED gate forcing them to let us in, if only a short way to the nearest station. So I say come on join together, message me here or in game and I will lead the down trodden to victory and freedom to mine as we so deserve.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:37:00 -
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Actually, altough I just could not resist throwing insults at Stain in another thread, EVE is about might.
Systems outside Empire control is up for grabs, and might do make right.
Is it good? Well, seeing as how EVE is intended to be player run, sort of, it is. In the long term war might very well erupt over such locations, and war is good for the economy 
Let's see how it goes, currently I am doing fine where I am, but I won't say I'd never consider joining an alliance.
"I have tried for months and months to make m0o the most hated, the most despised corp in the galaxy and what happens? A stack of muppets named TTI comes along and just basically urinates on my bonfire."
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:43:00 -
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Systems outside Empire control is up for grabs, and might do make right.
No this is quite ridiculous since all these alliances are actually squatting pirate territories while farming them. The regions without any sovereignity should be for the taking, not fountain, stain, curse etc.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:47:00 -
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Is that not the sit back and wait attitude that has given these alliances the edge in controlling such vast area's of space.
I do not ask for a huge chunk of the stains region but just a station and a few systems to mine freely and allow other to benifit from the free space.
It can be done with just a little cooperation and a whole lot of balls.
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Cool dude
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:50:00 -
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I am with Pychian on this one. The stain alliance is from my experience badly run, lacks communication and its members are bullying trigger happy thugs. You only have to look at thier reaction to the Jovian incident to see this.
Lets get together and rid eve of this stain on the universe!
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Zeidrich
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:54:00 -
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Systems outside Empire control is up for grabs, and might do make right.
No this is quite ridiculous since all these alliances are actually squatting pirate territories while farming them. The regions without any sovereignity should be for the taking, not fountain, stain, curse etc.
Take your head out of the sand and think about it seriously.
The regions that are going to be claimed first are going to be the ones with the best resources in the game.
Resources at this point in time are:
Bistot (ark if you can find it)
Stations
Pirates
Sure there's bistot and pirates hanging in unclaimed systems, but the cash you'll make hauling bistot 17 jumps will be nothing compared to that which you'll make with a station in the same system.
This will be the case until players can create their own stations. Then people might even migrate away from those areas, because it will be able to control a region easier if you can block non-corp members from your stations etc.
But right now, pirates and their stations are a resource, not some entity with sovreign rights over their chunk of space.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2003.08.11 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Judicator on 11/08/2003 14:58:44
Well, just as Stain Alliance can claim the area, anyone can form an alliance against them and wage war.
The problem SA has is that of territory. We all know where they are. The most effective against them would be hit and run tatics, constant harrasment.
One must remember that they do actually need to visit other regions and empire space from time to time and there is nothing to stop anyone from killing any individual connected to SA when encountering them in 0.0
I might consider beeing part of such an anti-alliance.
Edit: Let's see what happens to the likes of SA when CCP inplements faction correctly, since members of SA has a habbit of killing the NPC rats in the area, their sentry guns might not like them, and the stations might not allow them to dock.
"I have tried for months and months to make m0o the most hated, the most despised corp in the galaxy and what happens? A stack of muppets named TTI comes along and just basically urinates on my bonfire."
Stavr0s
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Cool dude
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:00:00 -
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All the more reason then to band together and kick them out of this space then
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Pychian Vanervi on 11/08/2003 15:05:48
I guess this thread may as well be locked. If all I am going to see on here is crap. I was throwing a line to see what sort of response I would get to a call to arms on taking a piece of space for our own. a place free from permits, free from gate tax's.
But I guess my words fall on def and unwilling ears. Maybe I should undertake this task myself, and hope I create the ***** that breaks the damn.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:13:00 -
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Your main problem will be that you won't be able to find a free corp hangar/office in that region.
If CCP want really some actions to start against alliances, then there must be a way to push out of the stations the offices of the occupying corps and put your own, else all the geopolitics of the regions are stuck and it's useless to lose ships in those areas.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:18:00 -
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What does it matter if there is or isn't an office there. Because it will be an non corp specific alliance there wouldn't be enough spaces to house all the corps involved. All you need is a place local to refine the ore and put your ship for the night. All trade runs and selling will be done out in empire space when enough minerals are gathered.
You in or out?
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Wraith Valentine
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:31:00 -
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"...sort of response I would get to a call to arms on taking a piece of space for our own. a place free from permits, free from gate tax's."
A laudible goal; but say you acheive this .. a system rich in resources where you co-exist with your neighbours in peace for mutual gain .. a nirvana, of sorts ..
And when the warships of hostile corporations roll into your nirvana and start taking all the precious resources and shooting down your pilots, you've no option but to join forces with your friendly neighbours and defend yourselves and your livelihood.
Congratulations; you just became the Stain Alliance. Or the Fountain Alliance. Or the Venal Alliance.
Welcome to EVE.
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:37:00 -
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Edit: Let's see what happens to the likes of SA when CCP inplements faction correctly, since members of SA has a habbit of killing the NPC rats in the area, their sentry guns might not like them, and the stations might not allow them to dock.
AFAIK the npc corporation linked to those pirates own 25% of the Stain stations. The other 75% are true creation and aren't linked in any way.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pychian Vanervi on 11/08/2003 15:44:44
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And when the warships of hostile corporations roll into your nirvana and start taking all the precious resources and shooting down your pilots, you've no option but to join forces with your friendly neighbours and defend yourselves and your livelihood.
Congratulations; you just became the Stain Alliance. Or the Fountain Alliance. Or the Venal Alliance.
Welcome to EVE.
OK, smart arse answer me this, I create this Nirvana and my fellow miners move in and reap the rewards. The Battleships role in and 'Attack us' we defend ourselves. And go back to mining. Which part of that do we:-
A. Demand any of the peaceful miners, with no affiliations leave?
B. Threaten to destroy anyone other than hostiles?
p.s. I know it will end up as a defend the home stead situation from time to time but makes it a whole lot more interesting than mining in Empire space.
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Wraith Valentine
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:52:00 -
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"A. Demand any of the peaceful miners, with no affiliations leave?"
Say you don't .. then what, exactly, do you do when you have 500 "peaceful miners" stripping the belts you fought hard to protect, while you and your corporation is unable to reap the rewards?
"B. Threaten to destroy anyone other than hostiles?"
The nasty thing about enemies is thus; they don't all fly with a jolly roger, eyepatch, wooden leg and parrot. Would you allow a "peaceful" (non-aligned) corporation to slowly and steadily build up a massive military force within your territory, which could be used against you?
Every country needs borders; every country needs border control.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.11 15:57:00 -
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I had the pleasure of meeting one of the SA members the other day....OH no sorry not pleasure, let me think, yeah it was more like someone poking me in the back repeatedly.
I was happily scouting roid fields for NPC blood, I have a nice new ship to try out and my balls have started to feel like steel. When I returned to the station I had a welcoming committee or was it the heavies. Well they proceeded to kick me out using there 3 BS as a show of small *********...er I mean strength.
Now it doesn't bother me that I was booted out because if I was a lone traveller then I wouldn't have moved but because they were going to threaten my Corp if I didn't I decided to go.
But how can they get away with it, surely there are enough local corps to hassle them at the HED gate forcing them to let us in, if only a short way to the nearest station. So I say come on join together, message me here or in game and I will lead the down trodden to victory and freedom to mine as we so deserve.
You were politely asked not to mine in Stain.
There's a huge f*cking thread about it
Yet you mined, got escorted out, and came here to whine.
Nice one.
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Harrow Wilkes
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Posted - 2003.08.11 16:24:00 -
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As a member of the Stain Alliace, I agree with Calvert. Anyone who is not in the Stain Alliance has no business mining in our sector of space. We ourselves carved out our niche there, and we lost alot of good ships doing it. We have a right to defend what is ours.
The Stain Region is a PLAYER CONTROLLED sector of the universe. If you are asked by those players who control it to leave, then you either leave or accept the consequences. There are other areas to mine for rares that are not claimed by any organized alliances such as ours.
Oh, and for whoever said we had "small balls" and that we were "unorganized"...ask MoO, MEGA, or RUS just how little balls we have and just how disorganized we were when we kicked them out of the Stain region.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.11 16:43:00 -
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I'm interested in those who snidely say "heh, I'm in Stain allll the time, lovey, and those SA bozo's don't ever bother me".
You never hear about people bragging about getting into Venal or Fountain...is that perhaps because getting out alive from Stain is an acheivement to be proud of?
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Gasman
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Posted - 2003.08.11 16:44:00 -
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I walked down the street a couple blocks and found a house with its front door unlocked. So I went in and started rummaging through the fridge for something to eat when I noticed they had an awesome DVD collection. I started looking through their DVDs and thought I could borrow some for later, when this rude jerk came out of one of the bedrooms and told me to leave! I told him, "Screw you, I pay rent, I can come in and help myself to your stuff at any time!" At this time he pulled out a gun and threatened to shoot me! What the heck!?! What did I do wrong? One of these days I'm going to get off my chair, head back to that owner's house and give him a piece of my mind!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.08.11 21:59:00 -
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You were politely asked not to mine in Stain.
There's a huge f*cking thread about it
Yet you mined, got escorted out, and came here to whine.
Nice one.
You have me wrong, if it sounded like I was whining I didn't mean to. I was only trying to rally some others to help me take my own piece of space. I take all actions in the game with a pinch of salt and so be it. If I get my ass kicked when I go back C'est la vie. But if I do take something for my own then cool. Either way its the way of the game and have no issues with that.
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