Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |

urban pioner
deadly killer savage pirates with sparkly pants
2
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 14:29:00 -
[1] - Quote
all i read about on here is that c3 sites are for small groups, c5,c6 for well skilled groups, why are c4's so forgotten? besides the logistics of getting stuff in and out are c4 sites that impossible to run?
me and a buddy are looking to c4 sites together , we tried c3 but were making 20 mill a site, with the time it takes to check every sig, close worm holes ect ect it didnt see, much point running them, and it was so easy , so im looking for a way we could run c4 sites, if things get a little close on tank or requires managing the site all thebetter to keep it interesting.
is there a way? |

chris elliot
EG CORP Mass Overload
193
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 14:37:00 -
[2] - Quote
I won't comment on c4 site difficulty due to lack of experience but one thing I do know is the spawns in c4's are omgwtf far away compared to c3's and c5's.
If memory serves correct the c4 sleepers don't race in like the others either, preferring to sit out at range. Which I would imagine makes damage application exceedingly difficult for some.
I have however seen videos of people soloing c4 sites in pimp tengus or vargurs. Not sure if it is still applicable or not but it used to be possible. |

Ziirn
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
11
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:08:00 -
[3] - Quote
Can be done with 2x rr drakes if careful (before HM nerf atleast) with 2x rr tengu or more it's cake.
The sleepers like to stay far out. But once you get used to sites you know where you need to position yourself to do em quite fast. Still think blitzing c3's would get you more ISK. Since c4 takes way longer to do and isn't that much of an ISK upgrade compared to c3 if it haven't changed.
Sentry RR domi could also work though it's BS hulls and sleeper might get annoyed at drones. TP/ECM should hopefully **** the sleepers off enough for them to stay on Domi's.
Just play around and you an probably find lots of viable setups that you can switch around to make the farming more fun :) |

urban pioner
deadly killer savage pirates with sparkly pants
2
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:17:00 -
[4] - Quote
2 domis touting 2 energy transfers and 2 lrg rr's, would that be enough given there sig radius they would take full damage, also would the shield variety I've seen have enough tank or would i have to go armor.
i did have a crazy notion that a domi and a t1 logi might work, the t1 logi orbiting the domi and speed tanking the sleepers, they would cap transfer each other and rr each other too
|

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1471
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:26:00 -
[5] - Quote
Some quickie Pros/cons:
1. C4's are a logistical pain (assuming you would be looking at C4/C4 to farm your static). Otherwise a C2/C4 wouldn't be bad if you want to farm C4's. 2. C4's are often more empty. This actually IMO makes farming the static a bit easier. C3's are more popular so more are populated and rolled into more for farming. You get denied less frequently (running sites and then someone jumps in before you can finish salvaging etc). 3. Range really isn't a huge issue. The bigger issue is that there is much more RR going on, which makes low DPS fleets even slower. While C4's can be solo'd, it is slow going due to RR. 4. C4 sites take longer, meaning you don't need a static with as many sites to make it worthwhile to run. C4 sites (as is the case as you move up WH class) derive more of their value from fixed price blue loot. In my experience this helps make them overall average higher than C3 sites. Most C4 anoms have a base value of 60mil (blue loot only, if you got no ribbons). IIRC C3's base value is about half that. 5. C4's suck ass for PVP. Harder to scan around, most systems are empty or have corps that I never see online (so many C4 holes with no activity, npc or otherwise for weeks at a time? What are they doing in there?)
All the random thoughts i have time for at the moment. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1471
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:28:00 -
[6] - Quote
urban pioner wrote:2 domis touting 2 energy transfers and 2 lrg rr's, would that be enough given there sig radius they would take full damage, also would the shield variety I've seen have enough tank or would i have to go armor.
i did have a crazy notion that a domi and a t1 logi might work, the t1 logi orbiting the domi and speed tanking the sleepers, they would cap transfer each other and rr each other too
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass4
The max DPS values there I would say are fairly accurate. |

urban pioner
deadly killer savage pirates with sparkly pants
2
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:31:00 -
[7] - Quote
thanks for all the in put , its getting the pod goo moving helping me think, i like the higher consistency of isk. Is there such a thing as a c2 with low sec and c4 statics ? |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1471
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:39:00 -
[8] - Quote
urban pioner wrote:thanks for all the in put , its getting the pod goo moving helping me think, i like the higher consistency of isk. Is there such a thing as a c2 with low sec and c4 statics ?
No, only C2/C4/HS |

Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
741
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:43:00 -
[9] - Quote
multibox 3 years 6 expansions: incursions, the venture, 3 BCGÇÖs and 3 destroyers... Is this all you are capable of CCP? |

Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
6
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:44:00 -
[10] - Quote
As the C4 bro Derath Ellecon said, "C4's are carebear heaven bro."
For site running, you can use 3RR domi/tengus or 2dps& logi. Aim for <10 minutes a site. |
|

Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
6
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 15:48:00 -
[11] - Quote
Yeah, pretty much every1 in C4 space is a rabid multiboxer. |

urban pioner
deadly killer savage pirates with sparkly pants
2
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 16:09:00 -
[12] - Quote
urgh i was hoping multi box wasnt the answer, i was hoping something simple like " 2 remote rep domis will do fine" that and other positive things about rainbows and unicorns and skipping holding hands , i guess i cant have everything i want |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1471
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 16:11:00 -
[13] - Quote
urban pioner wrote:urgh i was hoping multi box wasnt the answer, i was hoping something simple like " 2 remote rep domis will do fine" that and other positive things about rainbows and unicorns and skipping holding hands , i guess i cant have everything i want
You can do them fairly well with 2 tengus |

Vivian Marcos
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
3
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 16:19:00 -
[14] - Quote
i have seen a single tengu solo some c4 anoms, so 2 shouldnt be a prob, maybe a little slow but im not a tengu user. Range is that bad once you memorize the spawns. Just start approaching the next as one dies. As for RR domis i know 3 can do it, not sure about 2. Take a look at the site derath linked and if you can tank those waves long enough to kill 1 or 2 of the higher dps ships then you can do them easy. I would suggest to get some alts for rolling purposes so, makes things a lot speedier. Hey sky, get back to work! U 2 cips.... |

Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
189
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 16:29:00 -
[15] - Quote
Choose the shield bonus thingy and do eet with 2 rr tengus? iirc i tried it like that once we had a connection and it worked fine. The tengu's was somewhat bling though. Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me - |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1471
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 16:30:00 -
[16] - Quote
Vivian Marcos wrote:i have seen a single tengu solo some c4 anoms, so 2 shouldnt be a prob, maybe a little slow but im not a tengu user. Range is that bad once you memorize the spawns. Just start approaching the next as one dies. As for RR domis i know 3 can do it, not sure about 2. Take a look at the site derath linked and if you can tank those waves long enough to kill 1 or 2 of the higher dps ships then you can do them easy. I would suggest to get some alts for rolling purposes so, makes things a lot speedier.
Yea i've seen a solo Tengu running sites once. Pretty sure from looking it was also HAM fit. I was very curious of the fit. I was solo however so I killed his noctis and took all the loot, so when I asked about his fit all I got was an FU. |

Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
741
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 16:53:00 -
[17] - Quote
urban pioner wrote:urgh i was hoping multi box wasnt the answer, i was hoping something simple like " 2 remote rep domis will do fine" that and other positive things about rainbows and unicorns and skipping holding hands , i guess i cant have everything i want
You can do c4 sites quite easily with one RR domi and a guardian. I think one large rep is enough to keep the guardian alive.
3 years 6 expansions: incursions, the venture, 3 BCGÇÖs and 3 destroyers... Is this all you are capable of CCP? |

Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
476
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 17:03:00 -
[18] - Quote
Think I remember a corp mate saying they used to murder c4 sites with 2 rr nightmares. or maybe Iit was 2 nightmares and logi. I dunno |

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
232
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 17:53:00 -
[19] - Quote
urban pioner wrote:all i read about on here is that c3 sites are for small groups, c5,c6 for well skilled groups, why are c4's so forgotten? besides the logistics of getting stuff in and out are c4 sites that impossible to run?
me and a buddy are looking to c4 sites together , we tried c3 but were making 20 mill a site, with the time it takes to check every sig, close worm holes ect ect it didnt see, much point running them, and it was so easy , so im looking for a way we could run c4 sites, if things get a little close on tank or requires managing the site all thebetter to keep it interesting.
is there a way?
I live in a C4 and seldom run the sites in there. They're hard. REALLY hard to solo and even with 2 RR tengus you need to stay awake and micro manage every move. The radar sites are especially nasty. You really can't run those solo no matter what the cut of your jib is on the forums.
When we do run them we run them as a group with a carrier for logistics.
As opposed to running the C4 anoms I much prefer to run the C3 ones solo. They're 90% easier. The isk is about the same too. The C4 anoms will pay out in the 200-230 mil range per hour in a group and the C3 ones pay out in the 130 range per hour dual boxing. YYMV but if it were me I wouldn't bother with C4 anoms if you're only dual boxing unless one of your guys in in a carrier.
|

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1473
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 17:59:00 -
[20] - Quote
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:urban pioner wrote:all i read about on here is that c3 sites are for small groups, c5,c6 for well skilled groups, why are c4's so forgotten? besides the logistics of getting stuff in and out are c4 sites that impossible to run?
me and a buddy are looking to c4 sites together , we tried c3 but were making 20 mill a site, with the time it takes to check every sig, close worm holes ect ect it didnt see, much point running them, and it was so easy , so im looking for a way we could run c4 sites, if things get a little close on tank or requires managing the site all thebetter to keep it interesting.
is there a way? I live in a C4 and seldom run the sites in there. They're hard. REALLY hard to solo and even with 2 RR tengus you need to stay awake and micro manage every move. The radar sites are especially nasty. You really can't run those solo no matter what the cut of your jib is on the forums. When we do run them we run them as a group with a carrier for logistics. As opposed to running the C4 anoms I much prefer to run the C3 ones solo. They're 90% easier. The isk is about the same too. The C4 anoms will pay out in the 200-230 mil range per hour in a group and the C3 ones pay out in the 130 range per hour dual boxing. YYMV but if it were me I wouldn't bother with C4 anoms if you're only dual boxing unless one of your guys in in a carrier.
You can easily hit 200 mil/hr dual boxing with Tengu's They key with 2 is don't try to RR. They are expensive fits and you want max skilled pilots. But they are every bit as easy as C3's |
|

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
232
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 18:39:00 -
[21] - Quote
I'm curious.... could you expand on that a bit? |

Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
6
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 18:58:00 -
[22] - Quote
i'm confused as to how you guys only hit 200m an hour in C4's. |

Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
6
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 18:59:00 -
[23] - Quote
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:I'm curious.... could you expand on that a bit?
Small Pith A booster are very OP on tengus. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1473
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 19:02:00 -
[24] - Quote
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:I'm curious.... could you expand on that a bit?
It all started before I ever tried C4's, but found this post
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1564896#post1564896
That got my dual box setup started. I have since refined it for more efficiency. but it is a good start.
Evangelina Nolen wrote:i'm confused as to how you guys only hit 200m an hour in C4's.
Because my corp is not an army of alts?
Personally I'm talking when it's just me, aka no corp mates online to run them. We can smash them hard with a good fleet.
|

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1217
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 19:27:00 -
[25] - Quote
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You can easily hit 200 mil/hr dual boxing with Tengu's They key with 2 is don't try to RR. They are expensive fits and you want max skilled pilots. But they are every bit as easy as C3's
Wait, you're saying don't use RR tengus and instead use expensive fits........serious? RR Tengus ARE the way to run C4's and relatively cheaply too.
I use 2 for everything except Sanctums and data/relic sites. HTFU!...for the children! |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1473
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 19:42:00 -
[26] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
You can easily hit 200 mil/hr dual boxing with Tengu's They key with 2 is don't try to RR. They are expensive fits and you want max skilled pilots. But they are every bit as easy as C3's
Wait, you're saying don't use RR tengus and instead use expensive fits........serious? RR Tengus ARE the way to run C4's and relatively cheaply too. I use 2 for everything except Sanctums and data/relic sites.
When I'm running just 2 yep. They work great. Project better, hit harder and tank more. They work for everything except the data/relic with the 4 safeguard spawn. |

Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
191
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 21:23:00 -
[27] - Quote
2x thanatos? |

Bronya Boga
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
119
|
Posted - 2013.06.25 21:40:00 -
[28] - Quote
Best C4 WH corp reporting in :D.
Is it just 2 characters? cuz thats really hard. 4 tengus can run the sites easy...the main problem with C4's is the spawn range (some spawns appear at 130KM from warpin). Host of podcast Down The Pipe www.downthepipe-wh.com Podcast Public Channel is DTP Podcast @drverikan on twitter [email protected] |

Chester Floyd
Shadow Vanguard.
20
|
Posted - 2013.06.26 02:16:00 -
[29] - Quote
. |

Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
2054
|
Posted - 2013.06.26 02:40:00 -
[30] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
You can easily hit 200 mil/hr dual boxing with Tengu's They key with 2 is don't try to RR. They are expensive fits and you want max skilled pilots. But they are every bit as easy as C3's
Wait, you're saying don't use RR tengus and instead use expensive fits........serious? RR Tengus ARE the way to run C4's and relatively cheaply too. I use 2 for everything except Sanctums and data/relic sites. rr tengus are only used for pve if you lack any sort of imagination. locally tanked tengus can run C5s with offgrid boosts and can easily handle c4s. however they also require skilled piloting, which rr tengus do not, and are hence not used by most.
if youre running with 4+ toons (which is realistically 2 people since no one in WHs doesnt have alts), 2 logi + dedicated DPS is always gonna kick the crap out of rr tengus.
navy geddons are pretty hot cakes for sub cap WH pve. machs/nightmares also good. |
|

Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
6
|
Posted - 2013.06.26 03:02:00 -
[31] - Quote
3 RR domi's & a mach. |

Helgrind Wolf
WaKE Inc Company of Spacefarers
12
|
Posted - 2013.06.26 08:29:00 -
[32] - Quote
Two RR Tengu's can do them no problem. |

Ashimat
Clandestine Services
102
|
Posted - 2013.06.26 09:08:00 -
[33] - Quote
If you got the skills, I'm pretty convinced it's hard to beat the simplicity and efficiency of two Rattlers for C4s. No boosts needed, no setup time, no orbiting, no ammo, no range-issues, no need for pimp fits.
10min for a Frontier Barraks in a unbonused system. 6-8 min in a Magnetar.
You can even handle Black Holes and Wolf Rayets with a slight refit if you absolutely have to.
http://rnat-postmortem.blogspot.se |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
689
|
Posted - 2013.06.27 19:39:00 -
[34] - Quote
Confused as to how many actual toons are running the C3's that are only netting 20 mil a site. With 2 toons only you should be hitting 10 sites an hour or 100 mil each person. I was getting that much in a Wolf Rayette, where the sleepers get a huge EHP boost.
You can add more toons to run C4 sites and the isk per hour goes up but the split goes up as well. I doubt if running 4 toons on c4 sites would net more than 400 mil an hour ETC ETC. we're gonna make them eat our ship, then ship out our ship, and then eat their ship that's made up of our ship that we made 'em eat. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1476
|
Posted - 2013.06.27 20:43:00 -
[35] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Confused as to how many actual toons are running the C3's that are only netting 20 mil a site.
Because the value PER SITE is going to be the same regardless of how many people ran it? And I don't have the numbers handy but 20mil may be the bare minimum value, ie blue loot and no ribbon drops.
Isk/site is not the same as isk/hr.
|

Matarella
The Last Call.
28
|
Posted - 2013.06.27 22:13:00 -
[36] - Quote
Derath Ellecon wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Confused as to how many actual toons are running the C3's that are only netting 20 mil a site. Because the value PER SITE is going to be the same regardless of how many people ran it? And I don't have the numbers handy but 20mil may be the bare minimum value, ie blue loot and no ribbon drops. Isk/site is not the same as isk/hr.
dont know what c3 sites you are running. but blue loot seems to be around 28 mil for me every site. and salvage is about 30% avarage ontop of that. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1476
|
Posted - 2013.06.27 22:31:00 -
[37] - Quote
Matarella wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Confused as to how many actual toons are running the C3's that are only netting 20 mil a site. Because the value PER SITE is going to be the same regardless of how many people ran it? And I don't have the numbers handy but 20mil may be the bare minimum value, ie blue loot and no ribbon drops. Isk/site is not the same as isk/hr. dont know what c3 sites you are running. but blue loot seems to be around 28 mil for me every site. and salvage is about 30% avarage ontop of that.
I'm not. Geez, learn2read. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
691
|
Posted - 2013.06.28 05:33:00 -
[38] - Quote
Derath Ellecon wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Confused as to how many actual toons are running the C3's that are only netting 20 mil a site. Because the value PER SITE is going to be the same regardless of how many people ran it? And I don't have the numbers handy but 20mil may be the bare minimum value, ie blue loot and no ribbon drops. Isk/site is not the same as isk/hr.
Because if 2 people are running it and SPLITTING the loot its HALF as much. OP is making half of what i was, so the phrase 'were making 20 mil a site" is very ambiguous. we're gonna make them eat our ship, then ship out our ship, and then eat their ship that's made up of our ship that we made 'em eat. |
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 :: [one page] |