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Knott Generik
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.25 16:40:00 -
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Hello all.
I've been exploring EVE a bit, and I'm really enjoying it despite my lack of free time. I've been through some missioning, some exploration, ratting ... actually enjoyed mining for a bit.
But I think it's about time I nut up and try some PVP. I was looking into FW and RvB, like most do, and I asked some of the more experienced folks in my clearly-still-noobish corp about them. The prevailing opinion I got there was that both are rather boring or amateurish. I pointed out that I'm also an amateur, but they noted (correctly) that I wouldn't really learn that much from other amateurs. One of them did suggest EVEU, but noted that they would only take me so far. I'd eventually like to get into large(ish) ship PVP, like BC's and BS's, so I'd like to find a good PVP corp. Maybe even make a PVP specific alt, since I kind of like exploring and carebearing on this one. (I like to arbitrarily separate my characters with pointless closet rp. I know it's probably detrimental, but it's more fun for me.)
So, I guess I'm asking:
1) Is it the general consensus on EVE as a whole that FW and RvB are noob-saturated, and that I won't learn 'real PVP' there?
2) If you do think they're alright, do any of the militias stand out over the others? I'd lean toward Gallente or Caldari, if all are equal.
Thanks in advance. I've read quite a bit of the forums, and various other sites, but most of the opinions are sadly years old, so I thought I'd get some newer, more relevant info. Maybe it'll help other |
Rabid Disconnection
Inner Shadow
C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2013.06.25 17:48:00 -
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Knott Generik wrote:Hello all.
1) Is it the general consensus on EVE as a whole that FW and RvB are noob-saturated, and that I won't learn 'real PVP' there?
I cannot speak for RvB, but I can say that FW pvp is in no way fake. You can get some great fights, from frigs on up. Some of the best small gang stuff that I have done has been in FW.
Knott Generik wrote:
2) If you do think they're alright, do any of the militias stand out over the others? I'd lean toward Gallente or Caldari, if all are equal.
From personal experience I would say that Gallente has the least amount of 'farmers' and more people interested in pew. A side effect of this is that sometimes Gallente has problems holding T2. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:05:00 -
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Knott Generik wrote:
So, I guess I'm asking:
1) Is it the general consensus on EVE as a whole that FW and RvB are noob-saturated, and that I won't learn 'real PVP' there?
I can't speak to FW as I have no experience in that area.
RvB is a good way to learn the mechanics of PVP and I would recommend it.
Do they teach you the finer points of PVP? .... no. You'll become numb to losing a ship and accustomed to taking the fight, which are both valuable skills, if you ask me.
I would highly recommend a "stint" in RvB but after that look for a corp/alliance with a more hard core agenda.
If you do that then you'll *really* shorten your learning curve and learn the ropes.
I should also say that some of the nullsec alliances, in particular (no matter what you think of them) Goonswarm who are VERY noob friendly and will train you for the big leagues from the ground up. I'm sure others do it too but in my opinion, regardless of affiliation, Goons do this WAY better than any other nullsec entity.
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Knott Generik
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.25 18:51:00 -
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Alright, guys, thanks for the input. At least one endorsement for each, so that's good.
I'll take a look at the Gallente, but I'm actually kind of leaning toward Caldari at the moment. Maybe having the more combat-oriented ones as the enemy will be a more educational experience. That, and I have a fondness for missiles and rails, whether they're actually best or not.
And I'll be sure to think about Goonswarm when I've gotten my feet wet. At the very least, I like the idea of FW, so I want to try it out for a little. If that's not what I need, it's good to know there's a good noob-friendly pvp group.
Thanks again, and I would love any second or conflicting opinions! |
Cyberin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.25 19:48:00 -
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Knott Generik wrote:AThat, and I have a fondness for missiles and rails, whether they're actually best or not.
While you first reason for wanting to join Caldari Militia makes perfect sense, this second one does not :) The militia you join has nothing to do with the ships/weapons you use :). |
Knott Generik
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:03:00 -
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Cyberin wrote:Knott Generik wrote:AThat, and I have a fondness for missiles and rails, whether they're actually best or not. While you first reason for wanting to join Caldari Militia makes perfect sense, this second one does not :) The militia you join has nothing to do with the ships/weapons you use :).
I'm aware of that. I just like to be consistent with the theme. I head-rp a bit, because otherwise the game would really only be space accounting to me. Personal preference that I'll probably shake when I get more addicted, I'm sure. But I still like it this way. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2013.06.25 20:47:00 -
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While I sit in the dislike RvB camp as it has too many rules and restrictions to be called anything more than basic pvp I would say join it, but only for 7 days, enough time for you to learn the basic's plus agro mechanics, after that I would suggest find a good pvp corp who will take on a teach a new player how it works.
I would suggest an either a lowsec or FW corp, take you're time to find what looks to be a good corp, also look to take a pvp course for beginers run by Agony unleashed, never join Eve-uni, they are horrible unless you want to be in a fleet with 90% ewar.
While some of the nullsec elite f1 pvp'ers will look down generally upon lowsec pvp and FW in particular it is a fact it alongside the durge it also holds some of the best solo/small gang pvp'ers about, it's no coincidence that all the nullsec groups I can think of who joined FW have all been kicked in the junk hard ( unless they roll with a null type blob ) it actually suprises me more nullsec groups not see the weakness in their pilots for anything less than the blob and deploy groups of them into lowsec to improve the skills in small/med gang warfare.
Anyway whatever you do and try out make sure you having fun and do not be afraid to stay in frigs and cruisers as they give the best fun and teach you how to really fly a ship in pvp unless you like me and just set orbit, overheat everything and close my eyes until something ( usually me) has died. |
Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
80
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:22:00 -
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Knott Generik wrote:
I'll take a look at the Gallente, but I'm actually kind of leaning toward Caldari at the moment. Maybe having the more combat-oriented ones as the enemy will be a more educational experience. That, and I have a fondness for missiles and rails, whether they're actually best or not.
Yes, join Caldari. Hirri, Nisuwa, and Notoras are great places to plex and get your funds for sustaining pvp.
Hey! You're no zombie! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.06.26 05:53:00 -
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For Caldari - Talk to Sean Parisi of Fugutive Task Force - ATONEMENT alliance. (They can't spell fugutive but they are good fun to fly with and get some good kills)
They have a good active membership and are beginner friendly.
Who ever told you pvp in FW was amateur has no idea what they are talking about.
Ignore everything about pvp that person has ever told you.
There are many good FW pilots in all factions - you can't go too wrong as long as they are based in low sec.
Avoid any corp based in High Sec or non FW low sec.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
244
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Posted - 2013.06.26 06:36:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:Knott Generik wrote:
I'll take a look at the Gallente, but I'm actually kind of leaning toward Caldari at the moment. Maybe having the more combat-oriented ones as the enemy will be a more educational experience. That, and I have a fondness for missiles and rails, whether they're actually best or not.
Yes, join Caldari. Hirri, Nisuwa, and Notoras are great places to plex and get your funds for sustaining pvp.
Pretty much this...especially Notoras. Since very few squids go there anymore, you can plex without having to worry about those pesky teammates sniping your LP at the end of a timer. Don't worry about the how or why. :) |
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shadonight
Malevolent. Intent
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Posted - 2013.06.26 07:38:00 -
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Go to nisuwa it has a better class of q-cats. notoras is a qcat closet system seriously  |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.06.26 10:28:00 -
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Before even deciding what a PvP start is I think you need to get a good evaluation of just what your goal is. FW PvP and mechanics are very different from nul. RvB will teach you some habits that will not help you in low. ETC
If your goal is the end up in large fleet battles and on the (various) news blogs then start by finding a corp in one of the various wars. Any that will take a noob on will also train you how to be a line grunt/hero rifter.
If you want relatively isolated and intense (solo/duo) PvP with semi predictable odds then right into a FW group might be your best bet.
If casual fun pew pew without notable consequence is the goal RvB is designed around that concept.
For ala carte then a training academy like agony unleashed or Eve-uni will give you a broad exposure to a number of different types of things.
Just remember one thing. If you aren't having fun then you are in the wrong place. Move accordingly. |
Raptors Mole
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:14:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Before even deciding what a PvP start is I think you need to get a good evaluation of just what your goal is. FW PvP and mechanics are very different from nul. RvB will teach you some habits that will not help you in low. ETC
If your goal is the end up in large fleet battles and on the (various) news blogs then start by finding a corp in one of the various wars. Any that will take a noob on will also train you how to be a line grunt/hero rifter.
If you want relatively isolated and intense (solo/duo) PvP with semi predictable odds then right into a FW group might be your best bet.
If casual fun pew pew without notable consequence is the goal RvB is designed around that concept.
For ala carte then a training academy like agony unleashed or Eve-uni will give you a broad exposure to a number of different types of things.
Just remember one thing. If you aren't having fun then you are in the wrong place. Move accordingly.
Lots of good advice in this thread - this sums it up well |
Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.26 11:18:00 -
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RvB and Eve-Uni are great ways to get into the PVP world.
I'd recomment buying 50 frigs and fly them till you lose them all. If you feel comfortable with frigs after that, move to a dessie. Dontfight higher then your skills permit. Yes, you can sit in a cruiser, but if your core skills are horrid and your doing 50% the dps you should, you aren't doing yourself any favors. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1044
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:12:00 -
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Just don't try to use high sec badness or null sec blobs to learn pvp.
You learn a very limited amount from being a drone.
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Mazlow Shartain
The Nintendo Generation
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:29:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Just don't try to use high sec badness or null sec blobs to learn pvp.
You learn a very limited amount from being a drone.
Agreed. Pretty much all you learn is how to lock and shoot. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
415
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:34:00 -
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Do RvB for a month to learn some basic mechanics of PvP. Then either join FW or move to FW space with a load of frigs and use novice plexes to get your pew on. Blobs will only teach you how to be bad while thinking you are good. Same with "pvp" in high sec.
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Deych
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:39:00 -
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Null-sec PVP is not only about blobs. In fact, most of my experienced friends who is flying solo or in small roams, prefer null sec. Why? Because of less OGB count :) |
Mazer Rakhem
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:42:00 -
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Knott Generik wrote:
1) Is it the general consensus on EVE as a whole that FW and RvB are noob-saturated, and that I won't learn 'real PVP' there?
You may want to reverse your thinking here. If you only fight vets with tons of experience and SP, the fights will be ugly and quick. If you fight fellow noobs, you are on a more level playing field. So finding a place with lots of noobs might be a good thing for you.
The most level playing field for a noob that I know of is in plexes in FW.
...and yes, I am partial to Gallente FW 
Mazer |
Trinkets friend
T.R.I.A.D
1037
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Posted - 2013.06.29 05:36:00 -
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Rhetorical question time: If FW is so full of noobs why does E-UNI die so readily to FW farmers?
Bit of a quandary, that.
FW is also not like nullsec.
it is true, you won't experience the terrifying thrill of lining up at a Titan for a bit of rub-and-tug action before being flung into battle (nor will you watch the Titan jump instead of bridge) with 200 other Maelstroms, align to a celestial as your FC abuses the scrubs in fleet (ie; all of you) and someone else broadcasts targets that you don't quite get locked because you didn't load your drugs.
You won't pop while yammering that you need shield and pop because you didn't broadcast for reps. Nor will you watch your station be Fritzl'd by 300 enemy dreads and be unable to undock for 4 or 5 days due to insane permacamp, requiring you to clone jump away and/or quit the alliance.
You also won't have to read 30 million pissy sandy vazhin mails from your alliance leadership about how you all lack drive, ambition and skill (all because you couldn't pull 22 hour shifts for a month due to job/wife/life), then hear about how your sov was sold for the price of half a titan to some renters.
Yep. There's a lot you can't do in FW. But it is only stupid stuff that makes you want to jam a cucumber in your eye.
Indigently pwning indifferently. Some sucker buy me a Naglfar.
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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ImmutableDark
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.06.29 08:06:00 -
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Caldari faction warfare can be summed up as follows.
Care bears gone LP whores.
These people don't know how to PVP Caldari FW can boast this amazing statistic before it got so depressing that CCP removed it. Worst K/D ratio in the militia period. Is it that surprising no...
In caldari pvp you can pick two of the following qualities in a player:
[Enough Social Skills To Form a Fleet] [Not a coward] [Competent at PVP]
Things to note.
- We can't take ihubs.
- We can't form a fleet with anything larger than frigates.
- We don't engage anything unless the odds are massively stack in our favor.
- GHIOT sucks.
- Long live ******.
- Eve Sucks
- CCP Sucks
- Don't play this **** game.
- The end.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1056
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Posted - 2013.06.29 11:04:00 -
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ImmutableDark wrote:Caldari faction warfare can be summed up as follows.
Care bears gone LP whores.
These people don't know how to PVP Caldari FW can boast this amazing statistic before it got so depressing that CCP removed it. Worst K/D ratio in the militia period. Is it that surprising no...
In caldari pvp you can pick two of the following qualities in a player:
[Enough Social Skills To Form a Fleet] [Not a coward] [Competent at PVP]
Things to note.
- We can't take ihubs.
- We can't form a fleet with anything larger than frigates.
- We don't engage anything unless the odds are massively stack in our favor.
- GHIOT sucks.
- Long live ******.
- Eve Sucks
- CCP Sucks
- Don't play this **** game.
- The end.
Quite sure all faction warfare is heavily saturated with lp whores.
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Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.06.29 14:50:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:
While some of the nullsec elite f1 pvp'ers will look down generally upon lowsec pvp and FW in particular it is a fact it alongside the durge it also holds some of the best solo/small gang pvp'ers about, it's no coincidence that all the nullsec groups I can think of who joined FW have all been kicked in the junk hard ( unless they roll with a null type blob ) it actually suprises me more nullsec groups not see the weakness in their pilots for anything less than the blob and deploy groups of them into lowsec to improve the skills in small/med gang warfare.
Not empty quoting. |
Sunshyn LaBlond
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.30 01:25:00 -
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PvP is not good to just 'dabble' in the way you can in PvE. It really takes up an enormous amount of time both in training skills higher (usually max is assumed) than usual for success in PvE.
PvP is not inherently a solo activity. It scales very quickly and benefits players that socialize with other humans. The whole solo obsession is 1% highly skilled players looking for challenge, and 99% newbs that use the excuse of solo combat to hide from ever fleeting up with other players. We call these pilots...easy kills.
It's an MMO. Make friends. That is the single biggest benefit to any would be PvPer- fly with other people. Even if you are all total newbs and laughably bad at this game....it's fun to fly together, and you are immediately much more of a threat than any single newb trying to not have to actually talk to other people (scary).
D-Scan. Master it to survive. No way around it- the D-Scan is central to a life of PvP.
Voice comms. Just get em all downloaded. I have used Teamspeak, Mumble, and Vent playing Eve, so having them all ready to go is a big benefit. Most corps won't accept you without a mic, and it really is required for any real PvP fleet.
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GI Jenny
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
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Posted - 2013.06.30 22:57:00 -
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Caldari FW suck so hard we are at tier 3 and Gallente are Low tier1 |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
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Posted - 2013.06.30 23:44:00 -
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That your corps 'vets' said rvb and fw were amateurish and then suggested eve uni says a lot about how little pvp experience they have and nothing about rvb or fw.
I would suggest joining rvb first, then when you feel you have lost your pvp shakes and have a good idea of where you want to take your toon skill wise, jump into fw.
A bit of advice about rvb. It is what you make of it. There are a lot of guys who have joined rvb and not made anything from it at all. Some have joined expecting to be taught pvp and left when it wasn't handed to them. Others are holidaying nullseccers who are just after a bit of pissed up explosions and banter without getting shouted at if they do something stupid by a angry shut-in nullsec fc. Rvb has a broad membership, there are guys who like the big grinder fleets and there are guys who like to roam around in a target rich environment. There are a lot of guys who will be on the same skill level as you. Hook up with those guys, don't be a lemming and then cry about how rvb didn't teach you anything. Really, it's an opportunity to teach yourself.
The hardest thing about starting out in pvp is losing your jitters, risk aversion and not having a focused skillplan. Rvb is v good at sorting that. Pick a ship class, pick a weapon system, skill for it. Find a fit you understand and milk it.
Fw has great opportunities for pvp, with some great corps, but can attract a lot of bullsh1tters too. There are some great noob friendly corps like brave newbies and fweddit. Don't rule out going pirate. Just like fw but with more targets and no station lock outs. You can still use fw plexes to find fights and SHOOT EVERYONE!
One in five people are Chinese. There are five people in my family, so one must be Chinese. It's either my mum, my dad, my older brother Colin or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu. But I think it's Colin |
Julia Rohde
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.30 23:53:00 -
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GI Jenny wrote:Caldari FW suck so hard we are at tier 3 and Gallente are Low tier1
doesnt caldari have like 4 times as many pilots lol? |
Vladimir Tan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.01 11:58:00 -
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Julia Rohde wrote:GI Jenny wrote:Caldari FW suck so hard we are at tier 3 and Gallente are Low tier1 doesnt caldari have like 4 times as many pilots lol?
Which FW faction does not have a lots of pilots when they hit T3? LP bonus is too lucrative to resist!
Also, it's because gallentes talk too much and do too little. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
293
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Posted - 2013.07.01 13:27:00 -
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Vladimir Tan wrote:Julia Rohde wrote:GI Jenny wrote:Caldari FW suck so hard we are at tier 3 and Gallente are Low tier1 doesnt caldari have like 4 times as many pilots lol? Which FW faction does not have a lots of pilots when they hit T3? LP bonus is too lucrative to resist! Also, it's because gallentes talk too much and do too little.
I think it's because we're too busy leading all militia in kills to give a damn about the carebear parts of FW. vOv |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
295
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Posted - 2013.07.01 13:37:00 -
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Just to make it short:
RvB: arranged PVP, which means you have good chances to get a fair fight.
FW: non-consensual PVP of small scale at high frequency with small ships. Usualy n vs. m with n,m element {1...9}
0.0: non-consensual PVP of large scale at low frequency with big ships. Usualy n vs. m with n,m element {30...999}
So if you want cheap, fair fights go to RvB.
If you want cheap but real fights join a noob friendly FW corp like for example T.R.I.A.D.
If you want expensive blob fights then join a 0.0 corp. |
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