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Skelum
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:32:00 -
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Total resources required> under 1000 pounds,a few staff members (depending on how complicated tracing ISK transfer is)
One thing I dont understand about EBAY. How does transfering money to an alt to pay a buyer his ISK help them in anyway.
CCP goes on ebay, finds the top 10 sellers. Buys the cheapest possible auction from each seller
The money gets send to an account. Now all you do is trace where that money came from.
Macrominer sends 100 million to>
Alt 1 > Alt2 > Alt3 > Alt4 > CCP's character.
Ban the sources account and ALL account used by that guys IP address.
Now if that guys account dissapears overnight, theres a good chance hes going to have a lot more auctions he still needs to pay.
He can no longer do that so hes screwed. Maybe hell be able to retract all his auctions im not sure but it will still display on his feedback.
CCP makes a little NEWS report explaining what they have done, giving out a warning saying any ebay sellers AND buyers will face the same punishment.
If I could I'd do it myself [:p
Are there any real flaws in this?
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:34:00 -
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I know a solution that will work immidieatly: disable all trial accounts.
problem solved.
but since CCP get a lot new users with trial accounts, it will not happen in the near future.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Skelum
Ban the sources account and ALL account used by that guys IP address.
Dynamic address alocation.
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Amira
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:35:00 -
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I don't know much about tracing IPs. Do all computers on a router in an internet cafe use the same IP? I wouldn't want to ban someone sitting accross the room from a macro miner eve-bayer.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh
I know a solution that will work immidieatly: disable all trial accounts.
Have you ever seen a macro mining op?
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: turnschuh
I know a solution that will work immidieatly: disable all trial accounts.
Have you ever seen a macro mining op?
they have all real accounts? I doupt it.
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Skelum
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh
I know a solution that will work immidieatly: disable all trial accounts.
problem solved.
but since CCP get a lot new users with trial accounts, it will not happen in the near future.
But you see thats a real radical solution that could effect the game badly. Trials aaccounts
- A great for new ppl, lots of times ive invitied friends and they only give it a try because of the trial system
- its a free 2 weeks of skills training when you setup a backup mining character 
etc. etc.
If they cant be sure on IP address, then simply observe the guy for a few days, no dought he will be on 24/7 in a group of ppl all using same IP or say 2/3 per IP.
BAN them, ban them all, let god sort them out 
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:48:00 -
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Dynamic IPs ? Probably then you ban users of the largest provider in a country. If you do that in a few countries, there might be almost nobody left. 
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:56:00 -
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I am by no means an expert on this, but I do know that the only effective solution to sweatshop-style macro'ing is to continuously ban IP ranges. This is the only thing that has put a dampner on large scale macro'ing in other MMO's. Changes to gameplay rarely have any effect as people just move on to different ways of making ISK.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:57:00 -
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Banning by ip ranges is pointless, but banning all their barge characters would be a major setback everytime up to the point where it is not profitable for them anymore. But you'd need at least one or two people dedicated to this kind of work.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.26 14:58:00 -
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Why not just get some more ISD volunteers, and set them up as macro/farmer hunters?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.11.26 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/11/2005 15:00:58
OP's idea wouldnt work, way too much effort in that.
How do you trace it when I deposit a full industrial of moprhite in a random safe spot and pcik it up with a trial account char, sell it and then selll the isk ?
Database numbers ?
How about I move board that same indy with another 30 trial acocutn chars before the final one goes to get it and mix up the data from those trial accounts by random financial and material transactions untill CCP would need a week to even print out the data that could eventually lead to the cahr that parked the damn indy in the first place (which could ofc be just another step in the whole thing)...
All that, and more, can be macro'd.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.11.26 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Why not just get some more ISD volunteers, and set them up as macro/farmer hunters?
Hey, you're onto something. Those storyline actor people with the faction ships and funny text... give them the ability to fire on NPC corp members without CONCORD interference. Set them to hunting macro miners. We all know a macro mining or an ISK farm when we see one. Don't waste GM resources, let those guys make the judgement calls.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2005.11.26 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nimie on 26/11/2005 15:47:52
why not charge people a small deposit like 7 dollars? you'll get it back when you quit but you won't get it back if you're caught macroing. as long as a gm find a macroer every hr he'll pay for themselves.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.26 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/11/2005 15:55:01
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/11/2005 15:00:58
OP's idea wouldnt work, way too much effort in that.
How do you trace it when I deposit a full industrial of moprhite in a random safe spot and pcik it up with a trial account char, sell it and then selll the isk ?
Database numbers ?
How about I move board that same indy with another 30 trial acocutn chars before the final one goes to get it and mix up the data from those trial accounts by random financial and material transactions untill CCP would need a week to even print out the data that could eventually lead to the cahr that parked the damn indy in the first place (which could ofc be just another step in the whole thing)...
All that, and more, can be macro'd.
I would guess that most macro mining ops are not actually macro mining ops, but simply farmers not using macros. I.e. 5-cent-an-hour laborers in China.
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Shovasta
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Posted - 2005.11.26 16:00:00 -
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Make me a member of Concord, give me one of those uber BS's they fly and point me in the right direction. Problem solved.
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MWEI
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Posted - 2005.11.26 16:28:00 -
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Whats with macro mining these days?
CCP is looking into it, no need to make generals section dedeicated to hundreds of individual thread with each person coming up with a "new" idea.
There are so many macro mining solution threads these days its getting just as annoying as macro minng it self.
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Staranc
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Posted - 2005.11.26 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Skelum
Total resources required>
CCP goes on ebay, finds the top 10 sellers. Buys the cheapest possible auction from each seller
The money gets send to an account. Now all you do is trace where that money came from.
Macrominer sends 100 million to>
Alt 1 > Alt2 > Alt3 > Alt4 > CCP's character.
Ban the sources account and ALL account used by that guys IP address.
Now if that guys account dissapears overnight, theres a good chance hes going to have a lot more auctions he still needs to pay.
Are there any real flaws in this?
Yes the flaw is that CCP cannot take part in most of the auctions as stated by most terms and conditions. CCP would also be wasting money.
I personally do not care about all those auctions on eBay, cause i can tell you one thing... IF CCP didn't like it...they could inform eBay and force laws on them to remove everything to do with there game...now why don't they do that? simple and other games have done it.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.11.26 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Harry Voyager on 26/11/2005 17:04:54
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
I am by no means an expert on this, but I do know that the only effective solution to sweatshop-style macro'ing is to continuously ban IP ranges. This is the only thing that has put a dampner on large scale macro'ing in other MMO's. Changes to gameplay rarely have any effect as people just move on to different ways of making ISK.
IP spoofing is trivial.
Though, it would be almost funny to see the better part of Europe get IP banned, because a Cinese sweatshop was spoofing their IPs. At least, it would be almost funny for those not involved. Those people caught in it would likely consider it terribly unfunny.
Harry Voyager
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.11.26 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: MWEI
Whats with macro mining these days?
CCP is looking into it, no need to make generals section dedeicated to hundreds of individual thread with each person coming up with a "new" idea.
There are so many macro mining solution threads these days its getting just as annoying as macro minng it self.
True, but playing with cheaters, isk farmers etc. is no fun. I'm really happy when I log in later to pvp and forget them for a few hours. The most annoying thing is that you can't do anything about them. You can't blow them up or anything. If one was living next to me, I'd use a wire cutter and solve the problem myself. 
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MarkX
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Posted - 2005.11.26 17:09:00 -
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CCP will not purchase ISK from macro miners, and this has been discussed many times. It just gives them exactly what they want, money.
And yes, dynamic IP address, big factor. CCP will find a way around it eventually, but for now the best thing you can do is keep petitioning them under Exploit. Give the GM the System, Region, and Player names. Then, either take their ore or get 10 corp members together and kestrel gank the crap out of them; then get concordokken'd.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.11.26 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/11/2005 15:00:58
OP's idea wouldnt work, way too much effort in that.
How do you trace it when I deposit a full industrial of moprhite in a random safe spot and pcik it up with a trial account char, sell it and then selll the isk ?
Database numbers ?
How about I move board that same indy with another 30 trial acocutn chars before the final one goes to get it and mix up the data from those trial accounts by random financial and material transactions untill CCP would need a week to even print out the data that could eventually lead to the cahr that parked the damn indy in the first place (which could ofc be just another step in the whole thing)...
All that, and more, can be macro'd.
Al items in eve have a number - that includes ore. They have an owner specified in the database.
The problem is that ccp probably doesnt register previous owners of the same item, although can audit logs can be looked up.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2005.11.26 17:10:00 -
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Yes the flaw is that CCP cannot take part in most of the auctions as stated by most terms and conditions. CCP would also be wasting money.
I personally do not care about all those auctions on eBay, cause i can tell you one thing... IF CCP didn't like it...they could inform eBay and force laws on them to remove everything to do with there game...now why don't they do that? simple and other games have done it.
those terms and conditions are not valid. ccp should do something about getting ebay to suspend sellers though. wow and ffxi doesn't do anything either so there may be some problems or something.
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