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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1060
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Posted - 2013.06.30 12:33:00 -
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Agmonar wrote:118 mil and you cant kill? Learn to play the pvp. I am old at 35mill and can kill. Each death learn and dont addume a leet fit will win. Learn to die and be reborn again. Phoenix pvp is what i play.
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The VC's
Spack Force 5
144
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:22:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Idris Maelfa wrote:One thing I don't understand is why one should turn off Auto Reload.
Surely the client can reload faster than I can, or am I missing something? Its because it takes 60 seconds to reload, and in that time you will be dead. You're better of being able to get off 1-2 cycles of your cap after its empty This is more true for AAR's though, the default on those should be autoreload off..
This.
It should also be said that on attack frigs, that rely on using their speed to get to a spot where incoming dps is reduced, having a large burst of tank is good in the opening moments of the fight. Then the reduced rate of the aar should see you through till the end.
I think they are much better than asb's, but I'm an armour tanker so I probably would say that.
One in five people are Chinese. There are five people in my family, so one must be Chinese. It's either my mum, my dad, my older brother Colin or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu. But I think it's Colin |
Jayem See
Biohazard.
279
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:47:00 -
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manilabay wrote:Thanks for all the advice guys and gals, I got my first solo frig kill today, killed a rifter while in my slasher....
Congrats on your first solo kill!
I've just come back after 5 months out and I decided that small frig combat in FW was going to be my thing.
I've managed a couple of kills (and quite a few deaths) but I am really enjoying myself. Each engagement is a learning experience for me at the moment and I have had some great fights. I had one this morning that really gave me the shakes - it was so damn close! I lost, but I learned from it.
Keep up the good work and good luck! o7 Aaaaaaand relax. |
Chessur
Life of lively full life thx to shield battery
74
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Posted - 2013.06.30 21:55:00 -
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You should convo me in game sometime. I will teach you the art of PvP and you can come and fly with me and my homies. Lots of big names, and some of the best small gang PvP pilots in game currently. |
Agmonar
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:33:00 -
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Gav nice picture.I have five eyes though and your missing my poor sobbing trainer when the door slams my head in. congrats on your first kill..my post was misunderstood so i apologize. |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
481
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:54:00 -
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Whats with the auto reload thing? I still have my auto reload on for both ASB's and AAR's.
They only reload if the module switches off. I.e running AAR on a rifter and it runs out of nanite it continues to rep but only at 2/3 repping and using normal cap. When I run out of cap or stop it repping it then starts a reload. Same with ASB's but they use so much cap they pretty much shut down after a cycle or two then satrt to reload.
Other than that keep trying mate pvp skill have very little to do with SP for your toon as you can only use a very small portion of that SP at any one time and a much younger toon with a specialised skill set can actually apply more SP to the fight than you may be able too.
Oh and if you want to do it hardcore ------ Fly rifters! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
437
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:22:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Whats with the auto reload thing? I still have my auto reload on for both ASB's and AAR's. They only reload if the module switches off. I.e running AAR on a rifter and it runs out of nanite it continues to rep but only at 2/3 repping and using normal cap. When I run out of cap or stop it repping it then starts a reload. Same with ASB's but they use so much cap they pretty much shut down after a cycle or two then satrt to reload. Other than that keep trying mate pvp skill have very little to do with SP for your toon as you can only use a very small portion of that SP at any one time and a much younger toon with a specialised skill set can actually apply more SP to the fight than you may be able too. Oh and if you want to do it hardcore ------ Fly rifters!
Had an epic ASB bug on Saturday that I can't reproduce. It was epic because it worked to my advantage
It ran out of charges then ate up the rest of my cap.
I then heard that annoying little voice say 'the capacitor is empty'
The ASB started re-loading and my cap instantly jumped up to around 1/3 - I was like oh yeah FREE CAPACITOR.
3 Gallente were harmed in the making of this story.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
manilabay
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:37:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Whats with the auto reload thing? I still have my auto reload on for both ASB's and AAR's. They only reload if the module switches off. I.e running AAR on a rifter and it runs out of nanite it continues to rep but only at 2/3 repping and using normal cap. When I run out of cap or stop it repping it then starts a reload. Same with ASB's but they use so much cap they pretty much shut down after a cycle or two then satrt to reload. Other than that keep trying mate pvp skill have very little to do with SP for your toon as you can only use a very small portion of that SP at any one time and a much younger toon with a specialised skill set can actually apply more SP to the fight than you may be able too. Oh and if you want to do it hardcore ------ Fly rifters!
The reason I won that 1v1 was due to the fact that I had a nos fit and was able to leach a enough cap to be able to get a couple more pulses out of the aar. If I had it on auto reload, that wouldn't have been an option. |
Jayem See
Biohazard.
303
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:19:00 -
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I screwed up a fight with a Punisher by mis-managing my SAAR earlier - interesting how much you have to manage that module.
It is a lot more fun than it should be. I just keep on learning. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Grozen
Titan Core
12
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:40:00 -
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use drugs. knowledge is power. |
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Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
984
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:30:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Idris Maelfa wrote:One thing I don't understand is why one should turn off Auto Reload.
Surely the client can reload faster than I can, or am I missing something? Its because it takes 60 seconds to reload, and in that time you will be dead. You're better of being able to get off 1-2 cycles of your cap after its empty This is more true for AAR's though, the default on those should be autoreload off..
Yes or at least have the ship remember your setting like it remembers your keep at range and orbits.
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:57:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.
I'm thinking its more like 20%. But really I don't know, I generally never fight condors so that might be why my view is off. OP I haven't looked at your fits so this is just general advice. But when I started out I tended to go with tankier ships. This made the fights last longer so I could see what was happening, and gave me more time to react during the fight. Its important to gain an understanding of why you win or lose. If you just keep dying without understanding why, you are not really gaining experience. Also look at the losses of good pilots. Try to figure out the idea behind their fits. What ranges will try to hit and what will their dps be, how will they deal with brawlers and kiters etc. Obviously if you have fraps, a large enough hard drive, and your willing to look at the fights you lost and what the enemy was likely fitting that would be even more helpful. Also joining a good pvp corp can be a big help.
Whats fraps? Also when ur learning to pvp ur not going to win very often. ...or at all. Would it be a good idea to fit a ship scanner so u can see opponents fit gaining more knowledge from the fight? Yeah u gimp ur build a bit but u were going to lose anyways. Maybe this will change the learning curve enough u can take the scanner(aka training wheels off) sooner and start winning |
Pinaculus
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
218
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Posted - 2013.07.03 19:10:00 -
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You suck at PvP for the same reason most of us do. Experience and ISK. Because you're inexperienced you don't want to dump loads of ISK into your ships, as they'll just blown up from pilot errors. You're fighting people that have already gone through that learning curve and know that they aren't going to make a ton of errors, so they can afford to fly really expensive ships, implant sets, boosters, etc. That means you're at a double disadvantage.
This is my biggest problem with EvE PVP. They tell you to start with frigates because they're cheap, but the fights are over so fast that it's hard to tell why you won or lost.
Though, if you've got 110m SP you should be able to make enough cash to fly a bit more expensive setups. I'm not talking about getting a bunch of AFs destroyed for no reason, but a decent implant set and boosters should give you plenty of edge to learn on. Learning to get your pod out in low-sec isn't that difficult, so it's a reasonably safe investment. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
985
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:39:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Cearain wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Join QCATs , we are pretty good @ solo / small gang pvp and will get you the experience you need to succeed. And yes about 80-85% of all "solo" pilots you run into will have OGB.
I'm thinking its more like 20%. But really I don't know, I generally never fight condors so that might be why my view is off. OP I haven't looked at your fits so this is just general advice. But when I started out I tended to go with tankier ships. This made the fights last longer so I could see what was happening, and gave me more time to react during the fight. Its important to gain an understanding of why you win or lose. If you just keep dying without understanding why, you are not really gaining experience. Also look at the losses of good pilots. Try to figure out the idea behind their fits. What ranges will try to hit and what will their dps be, how will they deal with brawlers and kiters etc. Obviously if you have fraps, a large enough hard drive, and your willing to look at the fights you lost and what the enemy was likely fitting that would be even more helpful. Also joining a good pvp corp can be a big help. Whats fraps? Also when ur learning to pvp ur not going to win very often. ...or at all. Would it be a good idea to fit a ship scanner so u can see opponents fit gaining more knowledge from the fight? Yeah u gimp ur build a bit but u were going to lose anyways. Maybe this will change the learning curve enough u can take the scanner(aka training wheels off) sooner and start winning
http://www.fraps.com/
I wouldn't fit a scanner. Keep the log window open (its under accessories) that will usually indicate what guns he is using. Often you can simply ask to see your opponents fit after a fight. They will often give it. If not you can check their losses and see if you find the fit. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
484
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:55:00 -
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Most pvp'er will happly chat after a fight with a new pvp'er and give tips/advice on how you could have done better.
And the ones who don't.....just look them up on Battleclininc or zkillboard and check out their losses. Chances are they will have lost a few of the ship they were flying previously. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
295
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:02:00 -
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Pinaculus wrote:You suck at PvP for the same reason most of us do. Experience and ISK. Because you're inexperienced you don't want to dump loads of ISK into your ships, as they'll just blown up from pilot errors. You're fighting people that have already gone through that learning curve and know that they aren't going to make a ton of errors, so they can afford to fly really expensive ships, implant sets, boosters, etc. That means you're at a double disadvantage.
This is my biggest problem with EvE PVP. They tell you to start with frigates because they're cheap, but the fights are over so fast that it's hard to tell why you won or lost.
Though, if you've got 110m SP you should be able to make enough cash to fly a bit more expensive setups. I'm not talking about getting a bunch of AFs destroyed for no reason, but a decent implant set and boosters should give you plenty of edge to learn on. Learning to get your pod out in low-sec isn't that difficult, so it's a reasonably safe investment.
You are missing one point with regards to PVP. Every ship you take out for PVP is fated to die, sooner or later. In contrast to fighting against NPC in missions/plexes/wormholes the situation in PVP is not predictable. So even if you have a very expensive over-pimped ship at the end of the day a blob will catch you. This is the reason why noobs are advised to keep the losses cheap.
However, if you have enough ISK and you can easily charge of a 200 MISK loss (or even more) then there is nothing which stops you to get out in somthing bigger and go into FW and try you luck. Since in FW most people are flying small stuff you will at least easily get several kills before the inevitable death of your ship will happen. This is what many PVP people do if they get fed up of flying the small stuff.
The funny thing with PVP is that if you fly small ships you can easily make some ISK out of PVP if you know how to do. Flying larger ships simply creates too expensive loss mails to make this business profitable, except for you are going for ganking of haulers. |
Praxis Ginimic
Dark Knight Legion The Hydra Confederacy
383
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:36:00 -
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Honestly, you shouldn't believe a single thing any of these guys are saying. In EVE PvP you either have it or you don't. You obviously don't. The only answer I can see is that you should give me all your stuff and go mine.
Jokes, jokes. Don't sweat the loses man. Look at my killboard. It is horrible. I am truly bad. I don't let that stop me though because blowing stuff up is fun. Your stuff, my stuff, their stuff, all the stuff. Everything burns! |
Chessur
Life of lively full life thx to shield battery
85
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:22:00 -
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To learn how to PvP talking to the right people, and being involed in the right community is what its all about. Sadly the eve-o forums are no that place. If you want some advice, shoot me a PM and I can get you started in the right direction. Hell you can even come fly with me some time :) |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
120
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Posted - 2013.07.07 10:15:00 -
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Get FRAPS and record your fights watch the replay and look for what you did wrong and what you did right. It will start out being a lot of the former and not much of the the latter but the balance will change as you focus on developing better habits although you won't see perfection basically ever (for example, I now always activate all hardners after every jump needed or not so I don't lose another ship to forgetting to turn them on).
The actual fight goes by so quickly in real time and you will make mistakes that you don't even come close to noticing as it is happening. FRAPS is the key to identifying them. |
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
27
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:38:00 -
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At least you are trying to pvp which is more than i am I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression. |
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Hetalia Villen
Serenity. CORP. Diggers Inc.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:25:00 -
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Yeah mate, i think the point is, you're PVPing at all. I recently rolled this toon specifically to focus on PVP, within the first few days i was in Faction warfare and loosing ships daily (Yet to have a win) but basically the key thing is to get into the habit of looking at what you could do better, or what your opponent did that gave them the upper hand. Fraps is a great solution (One that i now intend to use myself). But all in all mate, if you have the cash try to use cheapish fits, if your ISK flow is dwindling send a "Donation" from any alts you have laying around and just stack up on tons of cheap as hell frigs and go nuts. Watch me blunder about in Faction Warfare @-áNoobShipGo
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