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Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:15:00 - [1] Kurmaru I - Moon 4 winter estate of the house of Bromide A tall man aged before his time but standing proud in a red and golden robe appears on the comm screen. His steel grey eyes radiate a determination and anger that is almost reaching fanatic levels. Vice-Admiral Ethidium Bromide of PIE starts to speak, barely able to control his voice and struggling to keep it even. Brother and sisters i stand here in front of you today not in my function as director and vice-admiral of PIE but on my own behalf. I have seen individuals of pure blood but soiled soul shooting out of nowhere to an extent i have not known before. These æindividualsÆ are not only to be bemoaned for they lost what was theirs by birthright but they are to be counted amongst those heathens that roam the minmatar republic. Even worse they are an enemy hidden well and almost impossible to fight as they do not attack civilians with guns blazing. The reason for this is simple. They have been spoiled by the opportunities offered by space. They have been spoiled by the æcontrolÆ CONCORD is taking over our empire. They have been spoiled by the handful of ISK that is out there to earn and seduced by the rich and the faithless who do their godless work covered by CONCORD. Therefore i call out to my loyal and faithful brothers and sisters, my comrades in arms my people! If you find any of those heretics betraying the empire for a handful of dirty money, try to show them the light again. Tell them that god is forgiving if they just want to be forgiven. If they are not looking for His wisdom though..... i shall not be forgiving! Ethidium BromideÆs eyes blink for a brief moment with hatred and blood lust before his gloved hand terminates the connection and the screen fades to black again
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:30:00 - [2] Amen to that, Ethidium. To quote Book I of our Scriptures: Originally by: The Scriptures, Book I The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:32:00 - [3] Bring it, kid. [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:36:00 - [4] So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? - Just a simple warrior.
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? "Anyone not conforming to my world view" has always been my favorite definition. [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Discorporation Bring it, kid. fallen ones, not the outcast....
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/11/2005 11:40:24 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted truths of the Theology Council. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide fallen ones, not the outcast.... Define both. [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.11.29 12:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/11/2005 11:40:24 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted truths of the Theology Council. Such as those not following the path of enslavement? - Just a simple warrior.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.11.29 12:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Khaldorn Murino Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/11/2005 11:40:24 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted truths of the Theology Council. Such as those not following the path of enslavement? Slavery is an integral part of the Amarrian way of life, and its continuance is promoted by the Imperial Court, the Theology Council and the wider Privy Council. Should someone choose to not own slaves for a valid reason, then that is a matter for them. Should that same person denounce slavery as immoral, then they would be going against the teachings of our Scriptures. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.11.29 12:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/11/2005 11:40:24 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted truths of the Theology Council. So in other words anyone that has opened thier eyes to the truth? Face it, the Theology Councils rule by fear and forced ignorance is slipping. Amarr are finally seeing the truth, not the lies force fed them, and they are choosing the FREEDOM of personal choice. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.11.29 12:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Khaldorn Murino Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/11/2005 11:40:24 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted truths of the Theology Council. Such as those not following the path of enslavement? Slavery is an integral part of the Amarrian way of life, and its continuance is promoted by the Imperial Court, the Theology Council and the wider Privy Council. Should someone choose to not own slaves for a valid reason, then that is a matter for them. Should that same person denounce slavery as immoral, then they would be going against the teachings of our Scriptures. Slavery was not a part of your scriptures until it was written in later under an Imperial decree. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.11.29 12:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Sarkos Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Khaldorn Murino Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/11/2005 11:40:24 Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted truths of the Theology Council. Such as those not following the path of enslavement? Slavery is an integral part of the Amarrian way of life, and its continuance is promoted by the Imperial Court, the Theology Council and the wider Privy Council. Should someone choose to not own slaves for a valid reason, then that is a matter for them. Should that same person denounce slavery as immoral, then they would be going against the teachings of our Scriptures. Slavery was not a part of your scriptures until it was written in later under an Imperial decree. No religion is static, and no religious teachings are static either. Of course the Scriptures have been added to over time, as and when further parts of God's wisdom have been revealed. If God spoke to us all tomorrow, would his words not find their way into the Scriptures? The practice of slavery has been an integral part of our way of life since the start of the Reclaiming on Athra as it was then known. Not only is it a traditon, it is a part of our religion and a God-given right. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.11.29 13:21:00 - [14] terrorists! stop derailing yet another communique with your ramblings about slaves and slavery! both is not an issue here and i would welcome you not trying to make it one! this is a message to those of pure blood who were seduced and brought from the light and i would ask you to either stay in line with that topic or go free some more hungry mouths you can't feed.
Shemar	Posted - 2005.11.29 13:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Rodj Blake No religion is static, and no religious teachings are static either. Of course the Scriptures have been added to over time, as and when further parts of God's wisdom have been revealed. How... considerate of your god to provide ammendments that preciely accomodate the interests of his religious zealot fan club. Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel. GLS Forums
Ardor	Posted - 2005.11.29 15:26:00 - [16] A noble goal you are aiming for Sir Bromide. Originally by: Ethidium Bromide Brother and sisters i stand here in front of you today not in my function as director and vice-admiral of PIE but on my own behalf. What a pity.
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2005.11.29 15:58:00 - [17] I doubt any in PIE would disagree with the statements of Vice Admiral Bromide here. Indeed, I would state publically that Vice Admiral Bromide has defined PIE's stance on the subject as well as anyone possibly could have. Pod pilots represent a position full of both peril and opportunity. They wield power that can help the cause of God, but they are also subject to more temptation and corruption than any other individual. That so many pod pilots fail, is a sad truth. They must either return to the correct path or be damned; there really are no other options. God is with us.
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.11.29 16:06:00 - [18] The seduction brought forth by the lure of easy isk and temptation of pleasure are a hindrence on the moral development of our Empire. While the Theology Council remains silent it is up to us to lead by example taking His holy teachings into account. Those who fall from the grace of God can still regain their souls in His eyes. Repentence and forgiveness are but a prayer away. Change your lifestyle of decadence and return to His embracing light. Give up the lure of the isk and the chase for personal satisfaction and instead bring yourself to serve something greater than any of us. God. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Wanoah	Posted - 2005.11.29 16:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Wanoah on 29/11/2005 16:58:49 Originally by: Rodj No religion is static, and no religious teachings are static either. Quote: The practice of slavery has been an integral part of our way of life since the start of the Reclaiming on Athra as it was then known. So, would you concede that there is a possibility for the Empire to reject the practice of slavery, then? It seems to me that religious teachings could change if it was expedient to do so. Like you say, religion isn't static, even if it moves at a glacial pace. I'm not trying to score points here, I'm genuinely interested in whether the Empire is actually more flexible than it appears. Barriers - An Eve Novel
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 29/11/2005 17:07:49 The empire could remove slavery, indeed the Emperor that you began your career fighting was often condemned as takeing the first steps in that direction by the more conservative sides of Amarr. In the last century, Amarr has all but stopped increasing its slaves from external sources. The result of this will eventually be that the slaves will in time be freed and become a payed working class as they gain enlightenment. This will take centuries, but it would eventually happen if Amarr was left in peace. Of course, Amarr may decide that they will be attacked whether or not they phase out slavery; in which case the reclaiming is likely to restart in full. Which path we take is now up to God, we will know once we have a new Emperor which path He desires to be taken. God is with us.
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Khaldorn Murino So.. whats the definition of a heretic then? A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted truths of the Theology Council. The Cosmopolite bursts out laughing... Oh dear me.. please.. ohohoho, ahahaha, ahhhh... dear. Ahem. Forgive me and please note, you raised this issue, not I. Now that I have recovered my composure, I join with my fellow, although very different, heretic, Discorporation, in seeking a definition of the two classes that have been mentioned here. 1) The Fallen Ones 2) The Outcast Perhaps, some clarification on these would help the discussion? I confess, I am mildly curious as to which category I fall into, if either of them. Meanwhile, I must express my satisfaction that Amarrian paramilitary capsuleers are slowly coming to realise that their very existence, in fact the existence of capsuleers in general, is a destabilising force in the context of the old order. The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.11.29 17:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Discorporation Originally by: Ethidium Bromide fallen ones, not the outcast.... Define both. it was a zynical comment to start with. although i am very sure that this is wasted efforts i will define what i wanted to express using those words... ethidium bromide sighs the fallen ones are the ones seduced into going the wrong way, who are not outright rejecting their heritage but merely lost their way in persuit of goals easier to accomplish. the outcast are the ones who outright attack the empire be it in words or deeds, who work to undermine the authorities, who i have to admit do not grant the matter the attention it would surely need, and make life for their brothers and sisters a lot harder by working against them by undermining their efforts... although you and the cosmopolite seem to have chosen that way by which i would even dare to call you traitors. ethidium bromide terminates the transmission before he loses his temper completly
cold lazarus	Posted - 2005.11.29 18:57:00 - [23] I would consider myself as a fallen one Ethi old friend, once in darker time when i followed a path i did not beleive in. Now i consider myself lifted closer to god than i have ever been before. Gone are the darker days when i would rend families apart for ISK whilst fooling myself i was doing good in gods name, treating other human beings like cattle because "god said i could". All beings are equal in gods eyes Ethi one day god will show you this like i was shown.
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:25:00 - [24] cold, you are a traitor but at least a risk and danger that can be seen and calculated with. my concernes are for the ones who turned their back on the empire for their new idol, the ISK. the ways thes follow their idol are what concernes me and brings rage to my soul for they abuse the current system that binds the hands of the pious. sneaking around under the protection of CONCORD, striking at the ones who care for their race more than for their personal life. my concern is what influence they will have in growing fat and rich by following heretic ways and that they might be of influence for our youth! this problem needs to be taken care of one or the other way.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.11.29 19:27:00 - [25] Originally by: cold lazarus I would consider myself as a fallen one Ethi old friend, once in darker time when i followed a path i did not beleive in. Now i consider myself lifted closer to god than i have ever been before. Gone are the darker days when i would rend families apart for ISK whilst fooling myself i was doing good in gods name, treating other human beings like cattle because "god said i could". All beings are equal in gods eyes Ethi one day god will show you this like i was shown. It is not God to whom you have become closer, Lazarus, but to Molok. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.11.29 20:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide the fallen ones are the ones seduced into going the wrong way, who are not outright rejecting their heritage but merely lost their way in persuit of goals easier to accomplish. So, basically every single Holder, then? Ohh and Heideran (love and-uh peace? Gimme a break). And Doriam II, Flower-picking pansy and protector of Artico Kor-Azor defiler of a sacred monument dedicated to one of Amarr's Saints? You're making this easy op purpose? Originally by: Ethidium Bromide the outcast are the ones who outright attack the empire be it in words or deeds, who work to undermine the authorities, who i have to admit do not grant the matter the attention it would surely need, and make life for their brothers and sisters a lot harder by working against them by undermining their efforts... although you and the cosmopolite seem to have chosen that way by which i would even dare to call you traitors. I'd prefer that. Or, deviant, please. Yes. -iscorporation the Deviant. Has a ring to it, dontcha think? [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.11.29 20:23:00 - [27] Originally by: cold lazarus All beings are equal in gods eyes Ethi one day god will show you this like i was shown. Ohh please, don't be silly. [Now with MIND BULLETS!]
Illian Deinar	Posted - 2005.11.29 22:13:00 - [28] This call, Vice-admiral, reminds me of the Amarrian Recall from brother Khan while in AGW. Also reminds me some tryings even before Khan's Recall that Ardor as speak about. Petty those lost souls does'nt seam to care about anything except isk and lasers. Maybe we should start thinking in joined efforts. God will be their judge, if not other first. Illian Deinar Manu Dei Religious Order Praefectum and spokesman
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.11.30 10:48:00 - [29] i am not thinking so much about a recall i am thinking about a purge.
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.11.30 10:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide i am not thinking so much about a recall i am thinking about a purge. Try it, by all means. I have a fair idea what the attempt would lead to... The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction

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