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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:42:00 -
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With the introduction of these "tags" ganking means nothing to pirates and mega corps like Goonswarm and other 0.0 corps, put some kind of consequence in ganking (and no losing their ship means nothing), they just farm tags all day and get sec stat back fast, pfft no consequence there.
Atleast have Concord pod kill ganker so they'll have to start wherever their clone is, and cost of replacement of clone + combat booster and any implants.
This way there's not a free way to gank at such low cost. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15319
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:46:00 -
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Ok. Making ganking cost something in one step: 1. Kill them right back.
There you go.
Quote:Atleast have Concord pod kill ganker so they'll have to start wherever their clone is, and cost of replacement of clone + combat booster and any implants. Why does it have to be more expensive than it already is? Also, if you're going to introduce NPC podding, I can only suppose that you suggest it happens across the board, because anything less would be rather silly, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:48:00 -
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holy ******* TERRIBLE POST BATMAN |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:01:00 -
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I know, working as intended |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ok. Making ganking cost something in one step: 1. Kill them right back. There you go. Quote:Atleast have Concord pod kill ganker so they'll have to start wherever their clone is, and cost of replacement of clone + combat booster and any implants. Why does it have to be more expensive than it already is? Also, if you're going to introduce NPC podding, I can only suppose that you suggest it happens across the board, because anything less would be rather silly, right?
I'll agree sure NPC pod killing across the board, I actually like that. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8299
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:09:00 -
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tags are apparently free and the time spent farming them is inconsequential
thanks for informing us of this random forum alt Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
197
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:09:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:Tippia wrote:Ok. Making ganking cost something in one step: 1. Kill them right back. There you go. Quote:Atleast have Concord pod kill ganker so they'll have to start wherever their clone is, and cost of replacement of clone + combat booster and any implants. Why does it have to be more expensive than it already is? Also, if you're going to introduce NPC podding, I can only suppose that you suggest it happens across the board, because anything less would be rather silly, right? I'll agree sure NPC pod killing across the board, I actually like that.
Carebear tears would flow like water if mission rats started pod killing. Always enjoy a good show, so I can get behind that. |
Jimmy Morane
Aurora Novae Aetatis Expoit This Mf's
71
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ok. Making ganking cost something in one step: 1. Kill them right back. There you go. Quote:Atleast have Concord pod kill ganker so they'll have to start wherever their clone is, and cost of replacement of clone + combat booster and any implants. Why does it have to be more expensive than it already is? Also, if you're going to introduce NPC podding, I can only suppose that you suggest it happens across the board, because anything less would be rather silly, right?
Damn I love Tippia. I mean.....how could you not? |
Litair
Donchian Stripes
148
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:28:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:Tippia wrote:Ok. Making ganking cost something in one step: 1. Kill them right back. There you go. Quote:Atleast have Concord pod kill ganker so they'll have to start wherever their clone is, and cost of replacement of clone + combat booster and any implants. Why does it have to be more expensive than it already is? Also, if you're going to introduce NPC podding, I can only suppose that you suggest it happens across the board, because anything less would be rather silly, right? I'll agree sure NPC pod killing across the board, I actually like that.
Don't know about general NPC podding, as I'm not really much involved in that, but I'd like to see Concord popping pods seeing as they are the ultimate law enforcers that don't give a ****.. unlike the police and navy which are somewhat less fearsome.
Of course a lot of dedicated suicide gankers have a clone set up in the same system they gank in.. but it'd be a nice little extra penalty no less. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3272
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:33:00 -
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Ganking costs security status & a ship with the possibility of no reward. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
333
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:25:00 -
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Sounds good. Let's also put a price on starting a new topic on things we are clueless about.
Suicide clones have no implants
Concord podding you is a free safe trip back to the station |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1352
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:28:00 -
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Ganks are cost, risk and consequence free these days?
Don't I feel dumb, I was not doing them all this time because of costs, risks and consequences associated with them. I guess they removed sec status loss, ship loss and kill rights and I didn't read the patch notes, huh. |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:33:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ganking costs security status & a ship with the possibility of no reward.
Pfft, if it wasn't a good possibility then it wouldnt be done for pure profit.
You know in a sense I don't care cause all I fly is mostly cht t1 stuff, and almost never carry anything worth ganking, people are silly going after officer mods and expensive faction mods t1 works just fine, of course if a t2 is cheap enough I would use that.
But I do think that it seems a bit to easy to raise security status by farming tags, same way much of nullies believe that hi sec is some kind of farmville, well it happens in the land down under.
But whatever as I said would be funny to see an NPC pod my ask if I lost a fight in a mission it would help others to be less afraid of "dying"
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Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:33:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Ganks are cost, risk and consequence free these days?
Don't I feel dumb, I was not doing them all this time because of costs, risks and consequences associated with them. I guess they removed sec status loss, ship loss and kill rights and I didn't read the patch notes, huh. Oh yeah, totally. I just gank people at random. I don't bother checking to see if they've got a tank I can't break, nor do I check their cargo or fit because suicide ganking is 100% free and guaranteed to succeed against any player, regardless of appropriate tank or ISK value. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15325
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:36:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:But I do think that it seems a bit to easy to raise security status by farming tags, same way much of nullies believe that hi sec is some kind of farmville, well it happens in the land down under. By most accounts so far, it seems a lot harder than just grinding for the sec status.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Gealbhan
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
380
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:49:00 -
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Ganking does cost something, a piece of their soul dies with that innocent pilot... it dies... |
Adunh Slavy
1062
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Posted - 2013.07.01 04:07:00 -
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Elvis Fett wrote:[quote=Q 5]
Carebear tears would flow like water if mission rats started pod killing. Always enjoy a good show, so I can get behind that.
Back quite a few years ago, before the need for speed. the mission "the assault" would lag so badly, that some people did get podded. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1018
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Posted - 2013.07.01 04:13:00 -
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If you have Concorde POD the ganker, 2 things will happen:
1: It'll save the ganker the trouble of flying to station and get into another Catalyst. 2: They'll just train an alt for a Catalyst and whatever gunnery skills they need.
And being a highsec ganker myself, sure I'll GLADLY support this half ******** thread/idea.
(And a good ganker doesn't need implants!) I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Hogarth Starbanger
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.07.01 04:29:00 -
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent suggestion were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
Akiyo Mayaki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
198
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:05:00 -
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confirming suiciding your ship costs nothing No |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
697
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:17:00 -
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There are players who literally farm suicide gankers in mission hubs - both during ganks (often saving target ship by killing gankers faster) and afterwards by using killrights. You can do the same - including podding. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:19:00 -
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Q 5 wrote:With the introduction of these "tags" ganking means nothing to pirates and mega corps like Goonswarm and other 0.0 corps, put some kind of consequence in ganking (and no losing their ship means nothing)
Which makes PvP in EvE almost pointless.
The Goons said they wanted to destroy EvE, well this is how it's done: make it too expensive too PvP and control the means to create the best stuff ingame to hyper-inflate.
In WoW it's consequence free with the jackwads ganking; in EvE there's to many consequences that only the jackwads gank. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15325
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:38:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Which makes PvP in EvE almost pointless.
The Goons said they wanted to destroy EvE, well this is how it's done: make it too expensive too PvP and control the means to create the best stuff ingame to hyper-inflate. Which one is it? Is it almost pointless or is it very very expensive?
Also, no-one controls the means to create GÇ£the best stuffGÇ¥ in-game, and there is no inflation to speak of.
Oh, and tags have pretty much nothing to do with PvP having a point. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:50:00 -
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Hogarth Starbanger wrote:What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent suggestion were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Yeah now everyone else is closer to where you have always been...I'm going to get me a kale juice straight up, night folks |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
739
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:51:00 -
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With some luck tags drop from guys that farm them when I gank them...it would be like...magic!!!
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Is it almost pointless or is it very very expensive?
Also, no-one controls the means to create GÇ£the best stuffGÇ¥ in-game, and there is no inflation to speak of.
Oh, and tags have pretty much nothing to do with PvP having a point.
It's pointless because it IS too expensive.
You're becoming inbred Tippia if you think 100% inflation since 2010 is "no inflation to speak of".
WoW controlled inflation despite every Chinese farmer in existence was there operating. It's why even with "free gold" now in WoW all over, when players see 15,000g boots they still balk. I left EvE in 2010, and came back in 2013 and it's outrageously priced now. In RL markets prices for goods doesn't sell for that high. I remember Polo shirts going for $25 in 1985 (the fad then), they aren't going for $250 now even with custom embroidery. It is in EvE, because of all the currency in circulation. The economists in EvE are Keynesian, and we know what Keynesian economics let too back in 1978. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:56:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:With some luck tags drop from guys that farm them when I gank them...it would be like...magic!!!
I was thinking of parking a cloaky venture in a belt, say 4000km from juicy NPC waiting for farmer to come in, he pops rat and uncloak steal tags and run to safe spot, rinse and repeat .
Also my moobs O o ~ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15325
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:32:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:It's pointless because it IS too expensive. No. Which one is it? Is there no point to it, or is it too expensive? If it's the latter, then obviously there is a point: to ruin the other guy. If it's the former, then it's obviously too cheap since it has no effect.
Quote:You're becoming inbred Tippia if you think 100% inflation since 2010 is "no inflation to speak of". Good thing, then, that nothing of the sort has happened, and that we're looking at ~0% since 2007 and less than zero in an even longer perspective. You have to have been inbred and not travelled outside your own back yard to think otherwise (also, be clueless about economy in general).
Quote:WoW controlled inflation GǪin no way that is relevant to EVE since it did not have an actual player-run market as its centrepiece and engine. EVE controls its inflation by adjusting the influx and outflow of ISK and materials, and the market does the rest. In fact, just about nothing about WoW has any relevance to EVE so if you're using that as a point of reference, you are pretty much incorrect by default. Which explains a lot.
In fact, I have to ask: do you enjoy being wrong about everything you say, or is it just something you're cursed with? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No. Which one is it? Is there no point to it, or is it too expensive? If it's the latter, then obviously there is a point: to ruin the other guy. If it's the former, then it's obviously too cheap since it has no effect.
You're, again, splitting hairs, Tippia.
Tippia wrote:Good thing, then, that nothing of the sort has happened, and that we're looking at ~0% since 2007 and less than zero in an even longer perspective. You have to have been inbred and not travelled outside your own back yard to think otherwise (also, be clueless about economy in general).
No, you're clueless if you can't see outside your narrow box and special interests. That's the problem with you, you're a dinosaur so interested in what you see for your interests, not the bigger picture.
The bigger picture is what is best for a game that is pleasing for m-a-n-y gamers. Not just a niche who likes their status quo.
You defend what's available, it's your comfort zone.
I'm showing the bigger picture and from someone not so inbred in EvE's culture. You may like the EQII quaintness of EvE, but I'd prefer EvE to be bigger and better...and with more real players (not more alt accounts running on IsBox).
How about you?
And the start is making the game cheap enough to actually play. I mean this game is even more expensive than some F2P P2W games, seriously.
Don't mistake what's easy for you as a vet, with what a newer player will face. It's a problem with dinosaurs. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15328
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Posted - 2013.07.01 06:47:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:You're, again, splitting hairs, Tippia. No. I'm simply trying to resolve the contradiction of your statement.
So, which one is it: is PvP pointless, or is expensive?
Quote:No, you're clueless if you can't see outside your narrow box and special interests. GǪwhich are? The fact remains: the bigger picture is that there is little inflation and that, if anything, prices are being returned to normal (but are still a bit low).
Quote:I'd prefer EvE to be bigger and better. No. You prefer EVE to go down a road that has killed every game that has tried it, rather than continue the road that has led it to be constantly bigger and better GÇö a feat unrivalled by any other MMO on the market.
Quote:Don't mistake what's easy for you as a vet, with what a newer player will face. It was hellalot harder when I was a new player, since prices were higher and ISK much more difficult to come by. So don't mistake what's happening inside your very narrow time perspective and limited experience with what's happen on a global and longer timescale. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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