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Vishnej	Posted - 2005.11.30 03:52:00 - [1] Will we be seeing this BPO released in RMR? In a followup to the last devchat, we were told that it would be released with Kali - but IIRC this was before kali was publicly seperated from RMR. Us POS runners would be heavily assisted by this mod, right now it just takes too many trips with tech1 expanders... and the moon mineral market will be exploding with RMR's t2 ships. ---------------------------- T2 Destroyers: a proposal Requested Changes: An alphabet's worth
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.30 04:05:00 - [2] lol that BPO would be the isk printing button of EVE if there ever was one.
keepiru	Posted - 2005.11.30 04:10:00 - [3] I want one just to see the complaints of impel pilots. 80m/s - 105m/s = -25m/s, enter the pilot skill of flying your impel backwards. \o/ ------------- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP?
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.30 04:13:00 - [4] Cap charger 2s will still make more money than expanders. The expanders will probably have worse speed penalties than the good named/local ones, with the only difference being that they'll be more common. In short, t2 epanders will be like t2 railguns/gauss guns. Minor difference, named one is rarer, more expensive, eaiser to fit/use. ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
GeNeticX	Posted - 2005.11.30 06:22:00 - [5] from what oveur said once in some devchat, supposed to come with RMR. they'd better, for the sake of his body integrity
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.30 06:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Cap charger 2s will still make more money than expanders. The expanders will probably have worse speed penalties than the good named/local ones, with the only difference being that they'll be more common. In short, t2 epanders will be like t2 railguns/gauss guns. Minor difference, named one is rarer, more expensive, eaiser to fit/use. In the world of instas speed is a small issue :P
Tomas Nuerin	Posted - 2005.11.30 06:43:00 - [7] Originally by: SengH In the world of instas speed is a small issue :P The world of instas is history after patch
Gierling	Posted - 2005.11.30 06:44:00 - [8] Ironically I think that they would make the impel untouchable. I highly doubt they would reduce speed to negative numbers (that would generate erros out hte wazoo), so it would probably reduce speed to the lowest manageable value... 1. Now Remember Eve doesnt use floating point to determine speeds, its all integer... so If you enter warp at 3/4 of max speed and your max speed is one... and the system can only count to 1 using integers... Thats a disgusting little instawarp there. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.30 07:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Tomas Nuerin Originally by: SengH In the world of instas speed is a small issue :P The world of instas is history after patch No it isnt. You should read the forums more :P the 0km warp+the randomizer was just a test and isnt going live.
Ater Angellus	Posted - 2005.11.30 07:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Gierling I highly doubt they would reduce speed to negative numbers (that would generate erros out hte wazoo), so it would probably reduce speed to the lowest manageable value... 1. I can't find the post at the moment but somewhere on the forums someone stuck cargo expanders in the low slots of a Revelation Dreadnaught, the result was -19m/s as a top speed. (I think it was in the ideas forum to do with frieghters and mining ops)
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.30 07:41:00 - [11] Originally by: SengH Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Cap charger 2s will still make more money than expanders. The expanders will probably have worse speed penalties than the good named/local ones, with the only difference being that they'll be more common. In short, t2 epanders will be like t2 railguns/gauss guns. Minor difference, named one is rarer, more expensive, eaiser to fit/use. In the world of instas speed is a small issue :P Yet another reason instas are pretty lame. Nothing like making a galaxy small as hell by going form one side to the other in maybe an hour. ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.11.30 07:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yet another reason instas are pretty lame. Nothing like making a galaxy small as hell by going form one side to the other in maybe an hour. Show me how you do this even with instas. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.30 08:10:00 - [13] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yet another reason instas are pretty lame. Nothing like making a galaxy small as hell by going form one side to the other in maybe an hour. Show me how you do this even with instas. Well to be technical there is a rim of smuggler gates around the rim of 0.0 which shortens the trip considerably. You arent taking the direct route across, but its still getting from 1 side to the other.

Chribba	Posted - 2005.11.30 08:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Ater Angellus Originally by: Gierling I highly doubt they would reduce speed to negative numbers (that would generate erros out hte wazoo), so it would probably reduce speed to the lowest manageable value... 1. I can't find the post at the moment but somewhere on the forums someone stuck cargo expanders in the low slots of a Revelation Dreadnaught, the result was -19m/s as a top speed. (I think it was in the ideas forum to do with frieghters and mining ops) You can indeed get a negative top speed. However in space the negative value is set to 0. So you cannot move, not warp, not do anything as long as you have a negative top speed. You can turn off the expanders to get back to a positive value and begin move/warp. Image of negative top speed: Linkage And top speed in space: Linkage Other thread: Linkage EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Get Email if thread updates

Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.11.30 09:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Ater Angellus Originally by: Gierling I highly doubt they would reduce speed to negative numbers (that would generate erros out hte wazoo), so it would probably reduce speed to the lowest manageable value... 1. I can't find the post at the moment but somewhere on the forums someone stuck cargo expanders in the low slots of a Revelation Dreadnaught, the result was -19m/s as a top speed. (I think it was in the ideas forum to do with frieghters and mining ops) You can indeed get a negative top speed. However in space the negative value is set to 0. So you cannot move, not warp, not do anything as long as you have a negative top speed. You can turn off the expanders to get back to a positive value and begin move/warp. Image of negative top speed: Linkage And top speed in space: Linkage Other thread: Linkage dreadnought... deep core miners... shield tank... cargo expanders... Originally by: Chowdown We camp a lot
F'nog	Posted - 2005.11.30 09:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Tomas Nuerin Originally by: SengH In the world of instas speed is a small issue :P The world of instas is history after patch Wow, so many totally incorretct responses to this thread. No, instas aren't being changed. T2 cargo expanders will have a % effect on speed, not a static one. So you won't have - speed when they're fitted. Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
TheMakerofDreams	Posted - 2005.11.30 09:40:00 - [17] Edited by: TheMakerofDreams on 30/11/2005 09:40:07
SengH	Posted - 2005.11.30 09:54:00 - [18] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Tomas Nuerin Originally by: SengH In the world of instas speed is a small issue :P The world of instas is history after patch Wow, so many totally incorretct responses to this thread. No, instas aren't being changed. T2 cargo expanders will have a % effect on speed, not a static one. So you won't have - speed when they're fitted. Hmm if you got it exactly though so you had a max speed of 1m/s wouldnt you instawarp anywhere due to the rounding issue?
Farjung	Posted - 2005.11.30 11:22:00 - [19] Edited by: Farjung on 30/11/2005 11:22:04 Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Tomas Nuerin Originally by: SengH In the world of instas speed is a small issue :P The world of instas is history after patch Wow, so many totally incorretct responses to this thread. No, instas aren't being changed. T2 cargo expanders will have a % effect on speed, not a static one. So you won't have - speed when they're fitted. Do you have anything official backing this up? In the item database they're still listed as having -15 m/s speed penalty, and the penalty on t1 and basic expanders has always been static.
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.11.30 11:50:00 - [20] Originally by: SengH Hmm if you got it exactly though so you had a max speed of 1m/s wouldnt you instawarp anywhere due to the rounding issue? Imagine if one of your instas was a few km off, or someone bumps you off a gate __________________ Retard's handbook
Lonli Lonki	Posted - 2005.11.30 12:29:00 - [21] t2 exp should be in market via npc traders, if someone get BPO = king of universe, it`s overbuff ) ccp should be more loyal to new pilots, or unlucky lime me, sitting on the station no ships, no money, no nothing only skills and pvp experience...
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2005.11.30 13:35:00 - [22] Since you need Indy 5 skill for the Impel, and prolly have high Navigation too, I am sure the thing will go faster than 105 by default, so no negative speed issue there. And why should T2 expanders have a % speed modifier when all the others have an absolute one?
Wee Dave	Posted - 2005.11.30 13:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Lonli Lonki t2 exp should be in market via npc traders, if someone get BPO = king of universe, it`s overbuff ) ccp should be more loyal to new pilots, or unlucky lime me, sitting on the station no ships, no money, no nothing only skills and pvp experience... Perhaps a higher number of BPOs might work. As in, over 100. Doubt they would do it though.

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