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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.08.12 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas De'Thal on 12/08/2003 16:49:17
i'm pretty sure this have been posted. but
643 Tritanium
1183 Pyerite
255 Mexallon
33 Nocxium
3 Megacyte
Roughly 40,000 Isk at current mineral market rates.
Time for construction is 30 minutes
talk about a profit margin. i think i can wait til these are on market.
i wonder if anybody will do a BYOM deal. he he he 
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Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter
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hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S "
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.12 16:52:00 -
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And you posted this because?
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Lonewulf
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Posted - 2003.08.12 16:59:00 -
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Yep.. 40k cost.. selling for 5-6 million.. Does anyone else need more proof that market monopolies are bad for the economy? CCP's answer to fixing their 55 million miner V screw up.. was to give TTi the ability to print billions in free money via these miner II Bps. lol what a bunch of morons.
By the way.. these miners drop off of NPC frigates on chaos.. so at next patch everyone that's feeding these greedy *****s now are just throwing their money away... not like it matters tho the damage has been done.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:15:00 -
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"And you posted this because?"
Probably to make the point that a person who pays millions for one now is a retard when they will become quite frequent and cheap in a few. Just like the retards paying 7-10 million for 250 protos or modulated heavies.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:20:00 -
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They may drop off from NPC frigates, but can a player get to these areas in safety to get them some drops? What systems do these drop in?
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Rythymmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:23:00 -
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sounds as if daesdemona was protecting the miner 2 asset of tti ...does she/he need to be taught a lesson about greed as well :P
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Zakura
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:28:00 -
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lol, thats what I'm talking about,.. How can anyone (If u doesnt have REALLY much money) be stupid and buy a Miner 2 for around 6M???
THATS WHAT A THORAX GOES FOR.
Is the MIner 2 really worth as much as a Thorax? ha ha, dont think so.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:29:00 -
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The reason I asked is because I was aghast at the redundancy of this post. I was also shocked by its placing in this forum.
I am in no way associate or friend of TTI.
Lastly, TTI does NOT have the monopoly on the BP, you would know if you knew how to read the market forum.
ps. Wanna tech me something, bring it!
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:29:00 -
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Lonewulf according to the devs this is just a lie. The Miner II blueprints are drops from jovian ships, not some gift.
TTI doesn't even own the blueprint.
Moron.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:34:00 -
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Is the MIner 2 really worth as much as a Thorax? ha ha, dont think so.
If you mine bistot, yes.
Pays for itself in 9 hours.
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Benedic
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:47:00 -
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I have found the reading of the miniral requirments of the Miner2 to be both interesitng and informative.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:57:00 -
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The reason I asked is because I was aghast at the redundancy of this post. I was also shocked by its placing in this forum.
I am in no way associate or friend of TTI.
Lastly, TTI does NOT have the monopoly on the BP, you would know if you knew how to read the market forum.
ps. Wanna tech me something, bring it!
first of all miner II are the a hot topic.
2nd it's the general forum. also, this is the most visited forum and i think people should know what these things actually cost TO MAKE. not just found as all other loot.
3rd. redundant maybe. but I figure this information is unique enough to merit it's own post and not buried in a post 8 pages long. cause this is fact based. not an argument if it was right or wrong or whatever the convo of the day is about.
(he he, i think this style of replying should be called the Callas format) - no offense ok. was just thinking that as I was replying.
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Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter
dev chat: Mar 18, 2004
hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S "
dev chat: Feb 12, 2004 |
Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.12 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Khouri on 12/08/2003 18:17:14
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Is the MIner 2 really worth as much as a Thorax? ha ha, dont think so.
If you mine bistot, yes.
Pays for itself in 9 hours.
Yes, but that is pure mining, not counting transport costs or searching for new roids.
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.08.12 18:38:00 -
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If people want to pay that much for them and they can get their money back using them, then I say go right on ahead. Some people in real life pay more for rims that keep spinning when their car stops than the price of the car. Doesn't mean that it's smart or logical but people do it. I won't buy a miner 2 for a while but that's just me.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.12 18:55:00 -
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If people are willing to pay 5.5 million for an item, then there will be people willing to sell it them for that.
Its not up to the rest of us who aren't buying them to have a go about the price.
And the ones buying them at that price can hardly complain when they are buying it.
Either people will pay that price, or they won't.
After a while, the price will drop. Because there will be few people willing to pay so much for one.
Oh, and come to think of it, if someone can make the money back on it in a mere 9 hours mining, does that say the price is really too low?
Now if you want to attack all ships mining valuable ores on the off chance you'll get a Miner2 as loot, thats up to you.
Bit more valuable than the usual afterburners or shields.
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Kimi
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Posted - 2003.08.12 20:19:00 -
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The prices have already dropped well below 5 million. Last I heard on the trade channel was around 3, with few takers.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.12 20:20:00 -
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The price is that high because of the high demand/low supply.
If person A had Item X for sale, and persons A-V all wanted it, and one of them offered 5 million, and person A refused that offer, then person A would be badly retarded.
Here's a more apt analogy:
I have three cars in the carpark outside. A Rover, a BMW and a Volvo. I broke the BMW and the Rover. I was going to get them scrapped, as, in my eyes, they are worth nothing. Someone offered me ú400 for the Rover.
Should I refuse him, and sell it to him for ú25 (what it's probably worth)? No, I take the ú400. Even if it's not worth that much.
CU Vapors were going for 2-3 Mil. They had lower requirements than Minr II's. People bought them.
Modules are nearly always worth more than the sum of their parts.
Like humans.
Brad Pitt (for sake of argument) is made of ~200 liters of water, some ivory, some carbon, and various support items. Yet he is worth many million of dollars. If you recycled him, you'd get nothing of value.
The problem is, because the tech 1 market turned into a throat-cutting fiasco, people expect to be able to buy anything and everything at mineral cost. With Tech 2, it ain't gonna be like that. (unless some ditz goes on a BP copying mission)
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.08.12 20:22:00 -
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Yep.. 40k cost.. selling for 5-6 million.. Does anyone else need more proof that market monopolies are bad for the economy?
What's bad about it?
TTI make lots of money. Other people pay as much as they can afford for Miner IIs, rather than the lowest price TTI can charge and still make a reasonable profit.
But what exactly is *wrong* about this?
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.08.12 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Omniwar on 12/08/2003 20:30:26
Hehehe, drunken I gotta hand it to ya man, you have a cool way of explaning things for joe next door
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.08.12 20:30:00 -
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"was to give TTi the ability to print billions in free money via these miner II Bps."
My dislike of TTI is clear to all yet again I see people complaining only about them. First, we do not know if they have the BP we only assume it. My real question is who has the OTHER blueprint.
Secondly why has the Stain region had two Jovian events now while we have had none in the Obe area? Why are certain corporations like MASS and the SA people getting all the fun and all the tech 2 loot?
For you in SA and MASS I'll challenge you like I do all capitalist exploiters of the weak. Share your loot from the Jovian animials and make the galaxy a better place.
Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.08.12 20:53:00 -
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No, don't share the loot. Charge all the market will bear - and then when other people get decent blueprints, they can charge you right back.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.12 21:01:00 -
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"was to give TTi the ability to print billions in free money via these miner II Bps."
My dislike of TTI is clear to all yet again I see people complaining only about them. First, we do not know if they have the BP we only assume it. My real question is who has the OTHER blueprint.
Secondly why has the Stain region had two Jovian events now while we have had none in the Obe area? Why are certain corporations like MASS and the SA people getting all the fun and all the tech 2 loot?
For you in SA and MASS I'll challenge you like I do all capitalist exploiters of the weak. Share your loot from the Jovian animials and make the galaxy a better place.
Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
SA didn't get two events, it was just a single long event. The way I see it is that they wanted as many people as possible to join in, as it's been the first major event. So they spread it over a couple of different timezones.
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Fusco T
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Posted - 2003.08.12 22:26:00 -
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The other part missing from the equation that keeps this monopoly type thing from occuring is the fact that a new piece of tech hits the market and before pre-orders are done shipping it is reverse engineered and it's available in 27 different colors and textures.
So without reverse engineering you have essentially an enforcable monopoly, which in itself is pretty unrealistic concept.
Eve supposes all things are made from x number of base elements and combinations of these in varying quantities make up all mfr goods. Which in turn means that anything can be taken apart and examined and then duplicated. Sometimes the duplicates don't perform quite as well but in essence they are the same. This then forces the original designers to make an improved model and thus the cycle continues.
While although I agree that initial costs of new tech costs alot to recomp for research efforts the model here in eve is flawed until we can reverse engineer things.
BTW: Des the board mods are bad enough without people like you pretending to be one k?
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Hiro Protagonist
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Posted - 2003.08.12 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 12/08/2003 22:59:28
Princess Akmazara wrote: Quote:
My dislike of TTI is clear to all yet again I see people complaining only about TTI...First, we do not know if they have the BP we only assume it.
I don't know anybody in TTI who has the Miner 2 BPC. That doesn't prove that nobody in TTI has it, merely that if they do, they are keeping it quiet. All I know is the same rumours that float around here, which in some people's mind is instantly fact since TTI is involved. I appreciate that some people such as yourself can tell the difference between rumours and fact. Thank you.
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My real question is who has the OTHER blueprint.
7sunami of OEC corp - at ths point, OEC corp is the only company confirmed to have the Miner 2 BPC.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.08.12 23:45:00 -
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Yep.. 40k cost.. selling for 5-6 million.. Does anyone else need more proof that market monopolies are bad for the economy?
Uh not entirely correct, it's only damaging for that particular branch of economy, the mining laser branch. People selling top-end loot lasers.
And it's not an true monopoly since people can just as easily just buy a good loot laser, which will drop in prices.
And all these people who are now making good money on these lasers will then have more money to spend to buy other stuff like buying the minerals even at higher prices to keep up with the demand, they need more ships, can hire security etc., this from others players, so more people will make money from these lasers indirectly thus actually stimulating the economy as a whole.
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.13 00:05:00 -
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THis is funny the price in minerals 40k and the going rate 6, 5, 3 million..... The only reason that the CU vapor bores were so high is that they were high end pirate drops. These tech 2 miners will be relagated to the corp hangars to rust when the pirates start dropping the miner 2 upgraded lasers.
If you don't want it don't buy it.
The person thats going to make the most money, in the shortest time, with the least up front is the BP copier. He/she could put the copied BP up for sale for 20 mil each and flood the market with the copies. The person that just makes the mining lasers won't get quite the profit the BP copier will. So if there are two BP's out there I would be the copier making person, more isk than the laser manufacturer. Its all about time to market, cost of production, and who really wants a laser when for the price of 4 or 5 lasers they can get a BP copy.
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