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Hector Couto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2013.07.02 03:42:00 - [1] - Quote I don't get it... When I come to the forum, I see posts from people crying about their Orca, Freighter or 3bil fit missionbear Tengu being ganked... Ok, they wanna vent some of their frustration... fair enough, But why do they refer to it like it's some kind of exploit... or bug... or something that shouldn't be happening? They ask questions like: "CCP - what are you going to do about this?" / "CCP - how are you going to stop this?" Some of these players have been playing for 8.9,10 years... surely they know the game by now? This is EVE... your Jump Freighter CAN and WILL be ganked, that is EVE... yano... the game you have been playing for 10 years? You should adapt to the game, the game should not adapt to you.
Ghazu 612	Posted - 2013.07.02 03:43:00 - [2] - Quote distraught victims' mentality and battered women syndrome christ call a hotline http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2705	Posted - 2013.07.02 03:43:00 - [3] - Quote Poasting in a stealth "nerf hi sec" thread. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Ckra Trald Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION 204	Posted - 2013.07.02 03:44:00 - [4] - Quote stupidity cannot be bought with isk ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^
Hector Couto Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2013.07.02 03:47:00 - [5] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Poasting in a stealth "nerf hi sec" thread. c(_) <--- catching your carebear tears in my coffee mug, I sell them to goons for many isks!!
Ifly Uwalk Empire Tax Collection Agency 794	Posted - 2013.07.02 03:47:00 - [6] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Poasting in a stealth "nerf hi sec" thread.
Rexxorr Zero Corp Tax 40	Posted - 2013.07.02 04:12:00 - [7] - Quote Ifly Uwalk wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Poasting in a stealth "nerf hi sec" thread.
Verunae Caseti Viziam Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.07.02 04:31:00 - [8] - Quote Hector Couto wrote: I don't get it... Yes you do. Shut the hell up.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1244	Posted - 2013.07.02 05:09:00 - [9] - Quote Did someone say carebear? HTFU!...for the children!
Jamagh Grand Violations 41	Posted - 2013.07.02 05:13:00 - [10] - Quote Ok... I'll bite. There are some of us that don't want to PVP. For whatever reason, be it, they want to relax after a long day at work and sit in a belt and chew up rocks, or do missions, or move large volumes of things around, that is what they want to do. And they want to be left alone to dot hat. Others, want to fight. That is how they relax and have fun. Both ways are acceptable in this game. Saying one or the other is wrong just adds to the anger. I mine on my main, so that others can build the ships that you fight in, the modules that your equip on those ships, and the ammo you shoot. So that you don't have to. You keep blowing up the stuff, and I will keep making sure that there will be stuff for you to blow up. It is a win win situation. "Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."-á CCP Navigator.
Alara IonStorm 5191	Posted - 2013.07.02 05:29:00 - [11] - Quote Jamagh wrote: Ok... I'll bite. There are some of us that don't want to PVP. For whatever reason, be it, they want to relax after a long day at work and sit in a belt and chew up rocks, or do missions, or move large volumes of things around, that is what they want to do. And they want to be left alone to dot hat. I am having the opposite problem. I always have a reasonable Tank to Cargo / Fit ratio in High Sec and I never just get bothered. No one wants to blow up my Transports, Battleships or Skiffs. I beg them to pay attention to me too but they never do. They all must hate me or somethin...
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 342	Posted - 2013.07.02 05:37:00 - [12] - Quote Hector Couto wrote: But why do they refer to it like it's some kind of exploit... or bug... or something that shouldn't be happening? Because it is either an exploit or bugs in 99% of other games. People in EvE don't see it that way because EvE isn't like the other games (this is a game that crime is acceptable, something that MMOs don't, as it's not acceptable in real life). Play more games and see what's acceptable in them across genres to get a real answer to your question (not asking a control group removed from conventions in gaming -- as crime and it's acceptance isn't the norm in games). And it's that mentality of a criminal that can't see past his behaviors to give an unbiased answer anyway. If any does exist it'll be dripping with a whopping dose of sarcasm and ball stretching for tears. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Elizabeth Aideron GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2013.07.02 06:39:00 - [13] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Hector Couto wrote: But why do they refer to it like it's some kind of exploit... or bug... or something that shouldn't be happening? Because it is either an exploit or bugs in 99% of other games. People in EvE don't see it that way because EvE isn't like the other games (this is a game that crime is acceptable, something that MMOs don't, as it's not acceptable in real life). Play more games and see what's acceptable in them across genres to get a real answer to your question (not asking a control group removed from conventions in gaming -- as crime and it's acceptance isn't the norm in games). And it's that mentality of a criminal that can't see past his behaviors to give an unbiased answer anyway. If any does exist it'll be dripping with a whopping dose of sarcasm and ball stretching for tears. which games? maybe if you limited it to mmos or something
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 277	Posted - 2013.07.02 06:48:00 - [14] - Quote I have no idea, OP. This is my main mining character (I have three mains on the one account) and this one was ganked in Hi Sec the other week. My fault entirely and I could have got away before CONCORD sorted it out but I didn't. I sent off a "Good Gank" message and then bought another mining vessel and carried on. I reckon that I get ganked about once every three months, I get ganked and lose the ship about once a year. It's the game; I don't see the problem. As they say, Working As Intended. GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 342	Posted - 2013.07.02 07:02:00 - [15] - Quote Elizabeth Aideron wrote: which games? maybe if you limited it to mmos or something Every MMO. And don't pull that gimmick that EvE is a sandbox either as an excuse. If it's not designed by the devs as a mechanic, but players discovered it and used it to their advantage, it is an exploit. Can do the roach dance. Twist words. Troll. It doesn't change the definition. It's called, standards. Any genre can't exist without them, or it wouldn't exist as a genre. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Elizabeth Aideron GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 49	Posted - 2013.07.02 07:05:00 - [16] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: which games? maybe if you limited it to mmos or something Every MMO. And don't pull that gimmick that EvE is a sandbox either as an excuse. If it's not designed by the devs as a mechanic, but players discovered it and used it to their advantage, it is an exploit. Can do the roach dance. Twist words. Troll. It doesn't change the definition. It's called, standards. Any genre can't exist without them, or it wouldn't exist as a genre. eve is its own genre. you could remove highsec ganking but you would have to completely change the game because of all the things it would break
Setaceous Nexus Prima 146	Posted - 2013.07.02 07:11:00 - [17] - Quote I've been looking at these forums for quite a few months and do you know what I don't see that often? Quote: ...posts from people crying about their Orca, Freighter or 3bil fit missionbear Tengu being ganked... More often I see - posts about Goons, posts about how all the real money is in high sec, posts about how all the real money is in null, random posts by drunks and the naive, posts about carebears, posts about PvP "Fairness" (doesn't exist BTW), posts about the server being offline and people not getting their fix( not that often, but still more than "I wus ganked" threads), posts about "exploits" (which also don't exits. See "fairness and drunks). And so forth. Typical MMO forums (though very slow). You get the picture.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 342	Posted - 2013.07.02 07:38:00 - [18] - Quote Elizabeth Aideron wrote: eve is its own genre. you could remove highsec ganking but you would have to completely change the game because of all the things it would break No it isn't. No game is a special snowflake. Sandbox doesn't mean a game is totally removed by the standards of gaming. That you're defending whatever shows the convention in a nutshell (if EvE was truly totally different, you'd careless). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
anastasia kernsky Clan Wolf Hunters 3	Posted - 2013.07.02 08:23:00 - [19] - Quote you know why the devs never do any thing because they love your tears when u cry about getting ganked. im a high sec miner/freighter pilot i expect to get ganked but i get the last laugh because i have 28 days to have u ganked all i have to do is sell my kill rights and watch as someone takes them out did you all forget there a way to sell kill rights? if they have a bounty and u sell kill rights ooh payday for the one who kills them problem solved ps; sell kill rights for a 100 k to a mill and you will get paid because there are bounty hunters out there if we all stop mining and all pvp eventualy we would run out of ships to fight with and have to fight with noob ships thats why miner are needed
Elizabeth Aideron GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 50	Posted - 2013.07.02 08:40:00 - [20] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: eve is its own genre. you could remove highsec ganking but you would have to completely change the game because of all the things it would break No it isn't. No game is a special snowflake. Sandbox doesn't mean a game is totally removed by the standards of gaming. That you're defending whatever shows the convention in a nutshell (if EvE was truly totally different, you'd careless). there are no "standards". there are games where you grow trees to pay off your debt to a raccoon and games where you play a doctor who shoots needles at people
Thebriwan LUX Uls Xystus 124	Posted - 2013.07.02 09:27:00 - [21] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Hector Couto wrote: But why do they refer to it like it's some kind of exploit... or bug... or something that shouldn't be happening? Because it is either an exploit or bugs in 99% of other games. People in EvE don't see it that way because EvE isn't like the other games (this is a game that crime is acceptable, something that MMOs don't, as it's not acceptable in real life). Play more games and see what's acceptable in them across genres to get a real answer to your question (not asking a control group removed from conventions in gaming -- as crime and it's acceptance isn't the norm in games). Could you just explain what the exploit in ganking a (Jump-)Freighter could possibly be? And why should we in EVE care about what is acceptable in other games. This is the whole problem: People who think that because it is forbidden in some other game - it should be so in EVE.
Six Six Six Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2013.07.02 09:32:00 - [22] - Quote Hector Couto wrote: I don't get it... When I come to the forum, I see posts from people crying about their Orca, Freighter or 3bil fit missionbear Tengu being ganked... Ok, they wanna vent some of their frustration... fair enough, But why do they refer to it like it's some kind of exploit... or bug... or something that shouldn't be happening? They ask questions like: "CCP - what are you going to do about this?" / "CCP - how are you going to stop this?" Some of these players have been playing for 8.9,10 years... surely they know the game by now? This is EVE... your Jump Freighter CAN and WILL be ganked, that is EVE... yano... the game you have been playing for 10 years? You should adapt to the game, the game should not adapt to you. I don't get why you say you don't get it. You've already answered your own question. They don't understand what EVE is all about and think it is flawed as a result.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 541	Posted - 2013.07.02 09:34:00 - [23] - Quote Hector Couto wrote: Some of these players have been playing for 8.9,10 years... surely they know the game by now? This is EVE... your Jump Freighter CAN and WILL be ganked, that is EVE... yano... the game you have been playing for 10 years? You should adapt to the game, the game should not adapt to you. No they haven't They are usually scrubs who have bought--in characters They are low foul things that should be extinguished And yes, they once again fail to understand the most obvious secret in EvE And they want us to hold their hands and write it big in chalk on the blackboard I hate them so very, very much " Ramona McCandless, you're my hero." - Domanique Altares, Rifterlings, Point Blank Alliance Tell The Others
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 6989	Posted - 2013.07.02 09:35:00 - [24] - Quote why am I in this thread? /me goes out through THEDOOR. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 343	Posted - 2013.07.02 09:36:00 - [25] - Quote Six Six Six wrote: They don't understand what EVE is all about and think it is flawed as a result. Or so inbred to realize... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnnDSh8mFow "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Tinu Moorhsum Random Events 242	Posted - 2013.07.02 09:56:00 - [26] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: which games? maybe if you limited it to mmos or something Every MMO. And don't pull that gimmick that EvE is a sandbox either as an excuse. If it's not designed by the devs as a mechanic, but players discovered it and used it to their advantage, it is an exploit. That's player driven content, actually.... if it were and exploit then CCP would have forbidden it. I'll meet you part way on wanting a bit more security in highsec, and i think CCP has done so as well. Recent changes to mining barges created a mining ship with a BS size tank. You can also put a BS size tank on a T2 hauler if you want to take the hit in cargo space. That will stop most drive-by shootings. Freighters need looking at, in my opinion, because they're a little too vulnerable but there are services like Red Frog that will allow you to transfer the risk to a 3rd party. It's not free to get your stuff moved but it's "risk free" which must be worth something. There have also been some changes to mechanics to make high-sec ganking a little less like shooting fish in a barrel.... So clearly CCP has listened and taken measures to at least give high-sec players more tools for their tool boxx. If you decide to use them or not is the 2nd part. I would say that if people are getting ganked much in high-sec then something they're doing (or not doing) is probably the root cause. For the rest, EVE online is a game where you aren't safe from "non consentual" PVP anywhere in the universe. It's designed to be like that and I think most EVE players would agree that it's one of the stronger points of this particular game. The only healthy attitude is to think of losing the odd ship as "the price of doing business"

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