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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:07:00 -
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since it seems impossible for any of the senior GM's to figure this problem out, Im asking you to please take a look at my running petition.
Its been running since 08/04/2003, and it was suppost to be forwarded to a Senior GM once I talked to GM Maag ingame.
However I still havent heard a thing, apart from a small reply.
Please also read the recent update I made to it.
Im sorry to bother you with this, but you seem to be the only dev around here, and since Maag said his hands were practicaly tied on this situation I wish you would take a look at this.
Petition No: 030804-000381
and Im sure you can look up my acount name using this character name.
Awaiting your reply,
Iminay
Oh and please, other players, dont make this thread a spam-pit. I know they are busy, I dont need your opinion on this for you dont know the nature of this petition. However, there is no other way to contact the dev's other then these forums.
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Lithorus
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Posted - 2003.08.12 17:13:00 -
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Ehmm.. I thought a forum was to discuss things. How can we discuss a subject which we don't what is? Forums are public e-mails are private.
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.13 03:06:00 -
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Talked to a GM ingame
seems petition is on the top of the list for the senior GM's
=)
only took them 8 days =)
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.08.13 11:01:00 -
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The petition in question has been wiped from the DB as far as I can tell. Sounds pretty resolved-ish to me.
In any case, when posting questions on the forum in most case they can be set up in such a manner that the answer is of value to all who read. That way whatever time I/we do spend answering is best utilized.
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.13 11:39:00 -
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Removed from the database?
Its still unanswered and showing in my window...
however, it is suppost to be in a special que because it was escalated to the Senior GM staff...
No wonder its taking so long here..
you sure? refno; 030804-000381
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.08.13 13:17:00 -
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Sorry, not removed from the DB. I just looked it up in the ingame petition DB. It's in the customer support DB, and as far as I can tell, being treated fairly high priority there and the GM's seem concerned and willing to deal with this.
Anyway, the issue being:
Some bastard with -10 sec status is killing loads of people in 1.0 sec space and robbing them blind, then even docking at 1.0 stations to sell his loot to add insult to injury. CONCORD is taking 30 secs to respond and isn't doing any good anyhow. Lots of valuables lost.
30 seconds to respond isn't a bug as far as I'm concerned. CONCORD is supposed to have pretty much the same warp drives as everybody else, so my opinion is that this is actually way too good response time, even in 1.0.
A player being able to kill somebody in 1.0 space isn't a bug either. The police arrive after the crime is committed, just like they do in the real world (although EVE's police are responding way faster than any real world cop would).
I personally do have problems with seeing -10.0 sec rating people in 1.0 space at all, being allowed to dock at 1.0 stations and being able to avoid the police in said solar systems. I don't see why on earth CONCORD should allow a dude with -10 sec to use the stargate to jump in, nor why the station should allow the docking to take place, nor why the said criminal even got within range of the station without being shredded by sentry guns and coppers.
However, I must agree with the GM that it's not a bug that this can happen. It's just extremely poor tuning of the game, but it's how the dudes responsible for this tuned it, so what they asked for is what you got.
Obviously however, they should improve this, as it would be quite easy to write an essay about the downsides of what CONCORD had to offer in this matter, most of which would be censored if a profanity filter were applied to the document.
As for reimbursement, that's up to the GM's to decide. As you state your case, it certainly does seem fair, but fair doesn't neccessarily have everything to do with it and they must determine the other side of the case as well - from what logs they can muster. Reimbursements must be based on such evidence, and they'll have to play judge, jury and executioner in that case.
I'll forward this case as an example of poorly tuned CONCORD to the responsible parties, and I hope that you get a good resolution to this issue.
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.13 13:27:00 -
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Well.. I'm getting confused here.
first you ban Tank CEO for abusing the system
then you tell me there isnt a bug
3 GM's ingame confirmed with me that this IS a bug
Now who to believe? Im getting realy realy realy confused here tbh.. what the hell is going on here?
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.13 13:30:00 -
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Oh, I also urge you to read the chatlog between me and GM Maag,
Also, is there a way to contact you ingame? instead of using the boards as an idled chatroom?
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.08.13 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 13/08/2003 13:49:23
Was he banned?
I dont think he shouldve been banned. As mentioned, this has to do with game design. As it is now, it is designed so that some people can sneak in and kill people in sec.1 places. Its part of the game, you were a victim of it, also part of the game, and thus shouldnt be compensated. There are far worse situations were people (including me) have lost things from outright bugs. We dont get anything either.
Now, it may be the intention that things like this shouldnt happen in sec 1 systems, but the intention isnt the same as being the design.
But if the game design followed the original plans of how it was *SUPPOSED* to be designed, yes, gates should have locked this guy out and stations too.
It would however be a bug if a -10 value did something freaky to a code which was unprepared to handle this number. Tank was warned not to exploit, he did, so then he should be banned. If thats what happened that is. But I still dont think you should be compensated, just suffer like everyone else 
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.13 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Iminay on 13/08/2003 14:32:54
I implied not to make this a discussion
now
If you want me to tell you, fine.
Let is be known to all then...
If you have a low enough secu rating, -9.9 or -10.0, and you atack someone, concorde cant place a security hit on you. Thus, you wont be recognised as a thread anymore. YOu shoot a ship, and police wont come, cause your secu rating doesnt take a hit.
This is a known bug. Ppl have been abusing this, but CCP kept it on a low profile. But hell, if you wanna know, I wont make it a secret.
Now, please dont tell me this isnt a bug, for I've seen it hapen, and even got a chance to try it out myself.
SO it has to do jack all with game design, its a bug, and its being exploited.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.13 14:43:00 -
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Well.. I'm getting confused here.
first you ban Tank CEO for abusing the system
then you tell me there isnt a bug
3 GM's ingame confirmed with me that this IS a bug
Now who to believe? Im getting realy realy realy confused here tbh.. what the hell is going on here?
If CONCORD is actually showing up, then for whatever reason, the bug is not coming into play.
The bug is when a -10 player can attack people at will and CONCORD never shows up. This is what Tank CEO was banned for.
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Posted - 2003.08.13 14:55:00 -
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Its a code, not working as it should be, therefor bug. You can tell it isnt, but it won't change it. Unless you want people, this was intended.
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Sirrah
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Posted - 2003.08.13 15:33:00 -
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More importantly, is whether or not this has been corrected in the upcoming patch. I have not seen anything pertaining to this issue in Pann's patch notes. I would have assumed that this would be of extremely high priority. If not, I am very dissapointed with CCP. 1.0 space is suppose to be a safe haven for new players and what do they find......only the lowest scum in the game that deserve to be banned.
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.08.13 15:39:00 -
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There needs to be a balance of realism and fun. Sure, it might be realistic for someone to attack a newbie in 1.0 space but is it fun for the newbie? CCP should do all they can to make the game ingrossing for new players (to keep subscriptions).
You don't want new players being killed the second they warp to a station. Who's going to stick around and play that kind of a game?
All realism aside, 1.0 security space should be completely safe no matter what.
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.13 16:13:00 -
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Well if we are going to discuss this anyway.
The police showed up 30 seconds after I was laying comfy in my pod. The purpetrator (I wont name him, not Tank CEO, however, he is from mega) actualy was still there when the police came.
However, the police didnt shoot at him. I dont know if you got that from my petition Papa Smurf, but I highly doubt that being correct.
As for 1.0 having to be secure space.. not entirely true, but people with the lowest of the lowest security stations are the baddest criminals around.
You wouldn't let Bin Laden visit the White hous if you were the FBI right? And even then, would you let him kill Bush, and then not take action?
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Popov
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Posted - 2003.08.13 17:15:00 -
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Iminay thats a really bad analogy to use, most of us reading would find the Bin Laden Vs Bush thing too close to call 
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.13 17:27:00 -
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Iminay thats a really bad analogy to use, most of us reading would find the Bin Laden Vs Bush thing too close to call
All he needs are Pretzels of Mass Destruction.
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.13 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: zincol on 13/08/2003 17:58:42
my petitoon has been on a Dev/gm senior's desk for 2days now with no reply,im wondering if i will ever get a reply??
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.08.14 09:02:00 -
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As far as I can tell from your chat logs, the perpetrator bugged off immediately after CONCORD arrived, probably in reaction to CONCORD targeting him/her.
According to the dev in charge of such things, there are two types of bug reports about security status / CONCORD related issues out there. He's working on them. As far as I can tell, he'd have to try to determine whether or not this case involved them, but your description of the exploit doesn't ring true according to him. The code involved just doesn't behave like that.
I have no doubt the GM's will handle your case as fairly and quickly as they can, through the correct channels, none of which are likely to involve me in this case. Thus I see no further point or value in my involvement here.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.08.14 11:10:00 -
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This thread getting politcal, lock lock lock!
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Aerol
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Posted - 2003.08.14 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Aerol on 14/08/2003 11:52:42
Yeah, locking is the best idea.
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Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2003.08.14 12:19:00 -
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SInce this thread already has some GM attention and is dealing with similar matters...
I can dock at a station no matter you security status or your current standing with the faction that owns the station. Go out, kill pirates, take their loot and store it in their station! See anythign that needs fixing there, eh? 
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:29:00 -
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Yes, I shouldn't have answered that remark.
My apologies for posting my personal opinion about Bush from a CCP account.
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Colibri
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:35:00 -
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According to the dev in charge of such things, there are two types of bug reports about security status / CONCORD related issues out there. He's working on them. As far as I can tell, he'd have to try to determine whether or not this case involved them, but your description of the exploit doesn't ring true according to him. The code involved just doesn't behave like that.
Is the dev in question checking to see that the code involved is working on TQ the way it's working or should be working on Chaos or his internal test server?
In Everquest, tested on the test server and their internal servers but forgot to check to see if things were behaving the same way on the live servers. It's how Alchemy remained broken for so long among other things.
Might be something worth looking into.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:41:00 -
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Getting political and getting away from the point.
I'm going to step in before a badly conceived comment becomes anything worse.
Locked.
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