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Andarias
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 02:03:49
One look at the carriers and I can see that they're a strong support ship. But their potential to be remote uber tank ships is just jaw-dropping.
If a capital ship mounts 2 or 3 capital remote shield boosters they can transfer 600 shield per second almost indefinatley. combined with a capital energy transfer array and a ship packing 8 invulnerability fields, will allow for hypertanks the likes of which the world has never seen. :o
Are any of you excited? 95% resists 600 shield per second. Or hell, same thing with armor tanks.
Capital Remote armor repper, and an amarr assault BC with racial hardener and a bunch of Adaptive Nano II's, with the new resistance boosting skills and a gang warfare resist enhancer? Can you say, 'Indestructable'?
If capital ships ever get capital cap neuts, you can kiss your dear cap goodbye. you could probably instantly incapacitate a small gank fleet.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:08:00 -
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I'm glad you realise how great they can be support wise, but most will probably just fit +1 modules in highs and have a little 22-25 drones..
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:11:00 -
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1 carrier alone isnt a problem... 2 Carriers could easily tank a 50 BS fleet remote repping each other provided they have the correct gang assist BC avail.
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Andarias
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 02:22:46
Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 02:21:41
Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 02:20:27
 Originally by: SengH
1 carrier alone isnt a problem... 2 Carriers could easily tank a 50 BS fleet remote repping each other provided they have the correct gang assist BC avail.
Haha, I can just see it now.
Two carriers, all adaptive nano's in the low's, shield transfer modules in the highs, and cap rechargers in the mids.
Remote repping eachother.
While they use drones to wreak general destruction.
:O What horrible nightmare could this produce?!
Throw a moros into the mix in siege mode and it quickly becomes much more ugly.
Do you go for the dread and take it out? Remote reps go onto the moros.
Do you go for one of the carriers? Remote reps go on that carrier.
Drones, making the brunt of the offensive force, would quickly destroy any SBing ships and then make quick work of the rest of the fleet.
Will this mean that most complexes will become jokes?
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:25:00 -
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Too bad the stacking penality would ruin it for you after 3-4 20%..
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Andarias
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Too bad the stacking penality would ruin it for you after 3-4 20%..
True, dat. Forgot about the stacking penalty.
Now, is the stacking peanlty for the same module?
If so, you could just mix hardeners up.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Andarias
Originally by: KilROCK
Too bad the stacking penality would ruin it for you after 3-4 20%..
True, dat. Forgot about the stacking penalty.
Now, is the stacking peanlty for the same module?
If so, you could just mix hardeners up.
Stacking happens when you put two modules that give the same attribute... Same res. So 20% get stacking alot
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Andarias
Two carriers, all adaptive nano's in the low's, shield transfer modules in the highs, and cap rechargers in the mids.
try all invun fields in the mids, cap relays, then remote rep eachothers shields :p
armour hardeners + shield xfers = bad :p
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Andarias
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
Originally by: Andarias
Two carriers, all adaptive nano's in the low's, shield transfer modules in the highs, and cap rechargers in the mids.
try all invun fields in the mids, cap relays, then remote rep eachothers shields :p
armour hardeners + shield xfers = bad :p
Haha, I'm too tired tonight.. :/
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MWEI
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:06:00 -
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If someone gets 2 carrier setup remote reping each other, how is that different from building a single titan with raw ulber tank.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: MWEI
If someone gets 2 carrier setup remote reping each other, how is that different from building a single titan with raw ulber tank.
Let him dream. He thinks he will get 2 mothership, remote rep eachother while 'noone' will try to shoot their fighter drones.
Pure fiction LOL
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:24:00 -
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or just jam one of the carriers, bye bye remote reps for the other one :)
and note, he said carrier, not motherships, as motherships, cant be jammed etc...
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Andarias
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 03:31:51
Originally by: MWEI
If someone gets 2 carrier setup remote reping each other, how is that different from building a single titan with raw ulber tank.
2 carriers 1.5 billion (figure from anther thread)
1 titan 15 billion
1 fighter has about 1.8k shield and 2k armor, that's a whole lot of stuff to chew through. Sig radius of 100 and a max speed of 3km/s, you're looking at something that's extremley difficult to shoot down. And it has a signature res of like, 50m. Good enough to hit frigates. o_O
You're looking at tracking somewhere between light artillery and light AC's. That's going to be UGLY for anything above a frigate.
So, to recap.
Fighters
-~2k armor
-~2k shield
-Enormous firepower ~75ish, two damage types, 6s ROF 3-4x damage mod
-Sig res good enough to hit frigates
-Sig radius between frigs and cruisers
-Carriers will be able to carry about 45 fighters each
These things are going to redefine anti everything warfare.
(About jamming: WTF - 1 sensor strength?)
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: babylonstew on 01/12/2005 03:48:43
Originally by: Andarias
Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 03:31:51
Originally by: MWEI
(About jamming: WTF - 1 sensor strength?)
WTS, lots of ECM bursts for anti carrier duty 
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:59:00 -
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2 carriers 1.5 billion (figure from anther thread)
1 titan 15 billion
I don't know where you get those numbers, But someone who seem to be smarter than you did it and it comes up to 40 billion and up with the existing PARTS to build the ship in the game.
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Andarias
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 04:11:35
Originally by: KilROCK
2 carriers 1.5 billion (figure from anther thread)
1 titan 15 billion
I don't know where you get those numbers, But someone who seem to be smarter than you did it and it comes up to 40 billion and up with the existing PARTS to build the ship in the game.
All I remember is seeing someone saying in the other thread
"The costs are listed in another thread, but based on a dread costing 1.55bil a carrier would cost 750mil, a mothership 15bil, and a titan 45bil.
Btw, you might as well add thesr to next year's xmas list, ebcause you're going to need the next year to train for the skills. Cool"
Sorry, mixed up the figures from the other thread between mothership and titan.
So, carriers will cost 40 billion?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:13:00 -
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No titans cost 40 billion Carriers will prolly be between freighters and dreads... Motherships will probably be between dreads and titans ... but alot closer to dreads. Also dont forget gang assist hardeners/mods act without the stacking penalty. So with a maxxed skilled leadership pilot sitting in a safe... things could get interesting. Also I'd pair the two similar tanking type races together.... Amarr/Gallente Carrier pair would totally WTFPWN... esp with the gallentes fighter bonuses.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:17:00 -
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I seriously don't think carriers will be that affordable.
I'd say 25-30b for the mothership, 10-15b for the smaller version of the carrier.
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burningsquid
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
I seriously don't think carriers will be that affordable.
I'd say 25-30b for the mothership, 10-15b for the smaller version of the carrier.
I recall one of the devs saying in a blog somewhere that carriers would be affordable by a "good sized corp" 10-15b would be more of an alliance sized expenditure, and only affordable by the very largest of corps.
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Andarias
Edited by: Andarias on 01/12/2005 03:31:51
Originally by: MWEI
If someone gets 2 carrier setup remote reping each other, how is that different from building a single titan with raw ulber tank.
2 carriers 1.5 billion (figure from anther thread)
1 titan 15 billion
Sorry intial estimates place Titans at roughly 57 billion to construct... The carriers yes will be about 1.5 about the same as a dread. The motherships could be anywhere between 8-13 billion a peice.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.01 04:46:00 -
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Well seems i'll be buying myself a minmatar carrier
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Brute Helmet
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Posted - 2005.12.01 09:03:00 -
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Actually a "light" Carrier (non-mothership) looks like it costs slightly less than a freighter to build. With a full complement of fighters and logistics modules Id imagine theyll cost around a billion isk.
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