You're right... anybody have those graphs of sub cancellations from Incarna?

CCP of course didn't u-turn on their plans either then.... oh wait.


They could always get new replacement customers... somewhere... for a dying 10 year old game... probably....could be.


CCP is on life support, main shareholders are bankrupt, Dust is a flop, World of Darkness is in the dark... Eve is .... ancient.

Ofcourse they will look for a money way out.

http://dustycartridge.com/round-ups/5-things-in-video-games-that-you-never-used-to-pay-for/

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I don't know about you guys... but I am pretty amped to pay 20$ for a warp scrambler... oh oh and for another 15$ I can add a Stasis web!

oh you are correct ... I should have said now you pay 30$ for a module that both warp scrambles AND Webs!

"... Most recently Decker was vice president of EAGÇÖs GÇ£Play4FreeGÇ¥ group, built from the ground up as an integrated organization focused on building, publishing and operating games based on the free-to-play business model. l."


Any bets on when Eve becomes free to play?

Why hire a VP whose expertise is in free to play models, if not?

Dust wouldn't warrant such a big gun, he's over qualified for just that.

http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=472

Just tried to post something critical of micro transactions and got a 404 message. Amazing.

So what is the pecking order at CCP?

At times, it seems Soundwave calls the shots.

Grayscale seems to do his own alterations and changes with a carte blanche stance. I don't like this so...

There are all these little groups that may or may not get something included during one of the various expansions or patches - Team Avatar comes to mind.

One of the minute notes from a recent CSM meeting seem that CCP hired another - forgot the name, but brought up the aspect of "theme expansions" as directing the future of Eve.

Hilmar was overseeing the direction but now brought in a Vice President to do that task...?

Perhaps CCP's laid back corporate stance will become a rigid order.

Gamming is a business as long as there are people that want proper PC games, there will be a market for that and game swill come.

There are lots of games that woudl FAIl and flop completely if they tried to be on consoles.


Also superior people with smarter minds have more money to spend, and they 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of time prefer PC games.

This is quite possibly amoung one of the worst things CCP could do to EvE Online and other EvE related topics. EA has for the past two years held the title of the worst gaming company in history. Inside the industry the gaming community have known just how bad EA titles have ben. Look at the companies EA has bought out like Westwood, Maxis, Bioware, Origins all great companies prior to EA getting their greedy hands on them. Now look at them, ruined titles or just run into the ground. EvE is on the rise and is doing rather well compared fo its competitors, but this move really has the potential to ruin that, just like how EA is a ruined company today.

Wow, they actually topped the mintchip decision.

inb4 new zero tolerance iron first of control policy on the forums.

Depends whether Overseer EA defines personal attacks loosely (banned for talking down to the company) or tightly (deservedly banned for legitimately trashing a dev for his personal life).

$5 Jump Clones anyone?

Micro transaction everything on a broken game.

PLEX is a bit like buying a store gift card. Use it for a service, give it away or trade it in-game.

You're equivocating, if it is on purpose or ignorance, I don't yet know.

The 'Micro-Transactions' no one wants, and what the summer of rage was mostly about, would be more precisely termed as 'Golden Ammo'.

PLEX, its core function, being sold on the in-game market and used for subscription time, is a neccisary evil as a way to combat RMT, and in this role it does its job well. It does give some advantage to those who purchase it, but this is offset by, not only the advantage it gives to someone who buys it for ISK, but that it does not take away anything from the sandbox. It in fact added to the sandbox. Someone had to go out and take some risk to earn that ISK, the velocity of ISK is increased, and there are more people running around in Eve. From a core functionality perspective, PLEX adds more to Eve than it takes away.

Golden Ammo on the other hand does not add anything. Instead of someone mining, researching and making something, golden ammo just magicly poofs that item into existance. Now one had to work for it, scam for it, mine for it, haul for it, get ganked for it and whine on the forums for it.

There is only one thing that has a real value in Eve, and that thing is time. Any magicly created items, that do not consume player time to create, are evil and should die in a fire.

Do you understand the difference between in-game and out-of-game?

No one is saying all micro transactions are evil, though some are pretty silly ... hats, pets? Whatever. Fools and their money. When people mention micro-transactions in eve as a bad thing, they are referring to pay-to-win type things. Granted language gets abused on forums, but it is important to be mindful of context at all times.

Now if you want to claim PLEX is pay to win, by someone having the ability to get ISK, that is somewhat correct, but as pointed out, an equal advantage is provided to not only the person who used the PLEX in game to pay for sub time, but it has other impacts on the economy as well. Since we know RMT would be worse with out PLEX, PLEX is, as stated, a necessary evil.

So, in the future, when you see someone mention MTs as a bad thing, know they are also using language badly and are more than likely referring to Golden Ammo and Pay to Win. Not hats, pets and other silly vanity.

Poor shuttle

So why is my sub fee worth less than yours? Why should I have to pay extra (real money) for a paint job for my ship? Also a plex for a paint job is a lot of money.


I disagree with those sorts of things, there is a sub fee already to cover these things.

It's so sad that the EvE community is quite happy to invite CCP to bring in more cash shop mentality, as long as it doesn't 'hurt them' - well you continue like that because one day it'll sneak up on you and it'll be too late, you then you WILL be affected by it, and it'll be your own fault.

My sub fee is worth the same as anyone elses, so i don't see why some people should be charged extra.

But when they introduce new ships, or like in Odyssey with these new explorations sites, with new art and mechanics etc.. that is included in my sub. But potentially, if one wants to repaint their ship, or get a tattoo you have to pay extra. Why?

Or will it be that new ships will be in the cash shop too? let me guess though, then there would be outrage.

Basically what you say is "pay to win". Would you like to play a such EvE?