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Felicity Glimmer	Posted - 2005.12.02 01:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Felicity Glimmer on 02/12/2005 01:05:32 Right the only reason i really bring this up is because im finding that people are only buying cruise launchers. Siege launcher 2's have double the build cost and a fairly longer build time than Cruise launcher 2's, yet Cruise launcher 2's are now selling at 6.4m per unit whilst Siege launcher 2's are down to 4.99m per unit. Cruise are cheaper and faster to build, yet sell for a lot more per unit, that seems to point out to me that something is wrong.
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2005.12.02 01:14:00 - [2] Siege 2 have very high fitting requirements, look for them to decrease in price even more after RMR, because tanking is going to be more important than damage, no one is going to fit siege, especailly with t2 cruise high-damage missiles. --------------------------------------------- Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.12.02 01:21:00 - [3] You need to know how missiles work since Cold War patch. First; Torp Explosion radius = 400, Cruise Explosion Radius = 300 Torp warhead = 450, Cruise warhead = 300 Any ship has a damage multiplier equal to it's sig radius divided by the explosion radius, up to a maximum of 1. So a cruiser of sig radius 150 takes 37.5% damage from a Torp (168 points), but 50% damage from a cruise missile (150 points). A frigate of sig radius 40 takes only 45 damage from a Torp, 40 from a cruise missile. So you're only a few points ahead with the Torp. Next there is a skill called guided missile precision which REDUCES the exlposion velocity but NOT FOR TORPS. This mean cruise can go as low as 225. but Torps are still at 400...now look what happens to the equation... Cruiser takes; Cruise: 200 Torp: 168 Frigate takes; Cruise: 53 Torp: 45 A Cruise launcher fires every 22 seconds, a Torp launcher fires every 24 seconds. CCP tried to be very clever and nerf the all powerful Torp Raven...all they did was swap Torps for Cruise. Maybe if we had some other choices (hint) we wouldn't all fit the same weapon....missiles have only two choices...most turrest have five or six different ones in any given size class. BUt that's why cruise sell better than torps now. Cruise are more general purpose...Torps are for BS only. --- Ha! Vote me for top forum *****
MWEI	Posted - 2005.12.02 02:00:00 - [4] Although TBS if you are just killing cruisers you will be better off with heavy launchers faster ROF, same damage as a cruise, you get the idea. Now if you also need to kill battleships as well as cruisers cruise missiles are the way to go.
The Wizz118	Posted - 2005.12.02 02:39:00 - [5] missiles are over nerfded, they deal 1/3 of the damage that a turret would do AND theyr ROF is 4x as slow. with 6 torpedo launchers i can not take out a deadspace raven
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.12.02 09:12:00 - [6] Originally by: The Wizz118 missiles are over nerfded, they deal 1/3 of the damage that a turret would do AND theyr ROF is 4x as slow. with 6 torpedo launchers i can not take out a deadspace raven Wrong, missiles were simply balanced, you now need to spend more than a month training to use them well. Anyways about cruises, they are so popular because of their payload vs cruisers and the range at which it can be done, i pop them at 120km atm with lvl 3 missile skills across the board. So no, missiles arent just as good as heavies coz you'll NEVER get a heavy that far, EVER. I find them better than torps for the following reasons. 1) I cant kill frigs fast enough 2) I cant kill cruisers fast enough 3) I cant kill BS fast enough Basically i suck with torps, so i use cruise coz i can pwn cruisers, drone the frigs, and use both on the remaining BS to polish them in a timely manner. Free Websites
Carefull Bear	Posted - 2005.12.02 10:39:00 - [7] Fear the torp Torp raven will beat a cruise raven or even T2 gankagedon + tempest Raven + blasterthong diemos in 2 volley's i feel to many are hiding from torp's true potential
xPreatorianx	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Lord Aradon Originally by: The Wizz118 missiles are over nerfded, they deal 1/3 of the damage that a turret would do AND theyr ROF is 4x as slow. with 6 torpedo launchers i can not take out a deadspace raven Wrong, missiles were simply balanced, you now need to spend more than a month training to use them well. Anyways about cruises, they are so popular because of their payload vs cruisers and the range at which it can be done, i pop them at 120km atm with lvl 3 missile skills across the board. So no, missiles arent just as good as heavies coz you'll NEVER get a heavy that far, EVER. I find them better than torps for the following reasons. 1) I cant kill frigs fast enough 2) I cant kill cruisers fast enough 3) I cant kill BS fast enough Basically i suck with torps, so i use cruise coz i can pwn cruisers, drone the frigs, and use both on the remaining BS to polish them in a timely manner. Wrong heavys can go up to 200 km on the right ship (Cerberus)
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:13:00 - [9] Torps can't insta pop frigs.
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.12.02 11:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Carefull Bear Fear the torp Torp raven will beat a cruise raven or even T2 gankagedon + tempest Raven + blasterthong diemos in 2 volley's i feel to many are hiding from torp's true potential Anything that is cruiser sized or smaller will run rings round you all day. --- Ha! Vote me for top forum *****
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:13:00 - [11] Edited by: Lord Aradon on 02/12/2005 12:17:46 Originally by: xPreatorianx Wrong heavys can go up to 200 km on the right ship (Cerberus) Cerberus, exactly, and with the amount of skills you need to fly a HAC i should bloody well hope so, AFAIK tech I ships cannot spit missiles 200Km Free Websites
Anjerrai Meloanis	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 02/12/2005 12:17:46 Originally by: xPreatorianx Wrong heavys can go up to 200 km on the right ship (Cerberus) Cerberus, exactly, and with the amount of skills you need to fly a HAC i should bloody well hope so, AFAIK tech I ships cannot spit missiles 200Km a raven can, haha uh.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:25:00 - [13] Edited by: Eyeshadow on 02/12/2005 12:25:00 Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 02/12/2005 12:17:46 Originally by: xPreatorianx Wrong heavys can go up to 200 km on the right ship (Cerberus) Cerberus, exactly, and with the amount of skills you need to fly a HAC i should bloody well hope so, AFAIK tech I ships cannot spit missiles 200Km A Raven can shoot cruise at up to 250km with max skills i believe My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:37:00 - [14] To be fair to Aradon, I think he meant HEAVY missiles...that's what he was talking about originally. --- Ha! Vote me for top forum *****
Kinsy	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Carefull Bear Fear the torp Torp raven will beat a cruise raven or even T2 gankagedon + tempest Raven + blasterthong diemos in 2 volley's i feel to many are hiding from torp's true potential Id have to argue with the first two.
Mr Raine	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:11:00 - [16] i can beat an all dmg mod gankgeddon in my torp raven, in his optimal range, i was down to less then 10% armour but he went pop first, 6t2 seige launchers. very bad tank in the mids, as cpu was out, 1 xl sb cl5e 1 em 1 thermal. and one shield boost amp. all t1 ballistic mods in the lows. this was tested on the test sever, lynx was using all t2 pulse with multi's in , and all dmg t2 mods in the low. in optimal range result = i win, seige specialization 5 ftw, ?
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Eyeshadow Edited by: Eyeshadow on 02/12/2005 12:25:00 Originally by: Lord Aradon Edited by: Lord Aradon on 02/12/2005 12:17:46 Originally by: xPreatorianx Wrong heavys can go up to 200 km on the right ship (Cerberus) Cerberus, exactly, and with the amount of skills you need to fly a HAC i should bloody well hope so, AFAIK tech I ships cannot spit missiles 200Km A Raven can shoot cruise at up to 250km with max skills i believe Yep but you'll need 3 Sensor Booster IIs :-) Dmg output is around 300dps
Lord Aradon	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Grey Area To be fair to Aradon, I think he meant HEAVY missiles...that's what he was talking about originally. Indeed i was talking about heavies, i know cruises can go around 200km Free Websites

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