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Berluth Luthian
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:31:00 -
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Right now there is an AMA going on from a Forbes financial journalist. He does a yearly examination of the top 15 richest fiction characters.
At the top of the list is Smaug with about $62 Billion US dollars worth of gold.
I thought that was a pretty rediculously small amount of wealth when you compare it to Eve.
Who would be the richest fictional character in Eve, and what would you guess their networth in national currencies is? |
Silivar Karkun
Imperium Aeternam
Phantom Armada
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:17:00 -
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Chribba?, but if we're talking about non player characters, i would say it can be either empress Jamyl or Jacus Roden. Tibus Heth could've been one of the most richest characters too, when he was CEO of Kaalakiota. but im not sure. |
kerradeph
THORN Syndicate
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:18:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:Chribba?, but if we're talking about non player characters, i would say it can be either empress Jamyl or Jacus Roden. Tibus Heth could've been one of the most richest characters too, when he was CEO of Kaalakiota. but im not sure.
what about the broker? |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:07:00 -
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Isn't the broker basically a corrupted data file and a mouldering puddle of goo at this point?
Then again, someone does break into one of his 'super-seekwet' labs at the end of T1.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:14:00 -
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Catiz Tash-Murkon  |
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
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Posted - 2013.07.04 22:21:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Catiz Tash-Murkon
Probably, yeah. She's been described as wealthier than the Empress, and has significant investments in the Caldari state (likely to be the main contributor to the CAESA investment).
The problem is that A) we don't have asset descriptions for any NPC character, beyond vague rankings and what can be inferred, and B) we don't know the value of ISK, so even if we did have a net worth it would be meaningless in an attempt to estimate dollar values.
Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Telegram Sam
Biohazard.
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:50:00 -
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If you post this over in Market Discussions I'd bet you'll get some tales of riches. Maybe tall tales, but..... Some of those guys are extremely isk-rich. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:26:00 -
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how much is an ISK worth, anyway? Do we go with the actual RL ISK to $$$ exchange rate from PLEX, or with the fictional value?
And how much is the fictional value? My estimate is about 1ISK = $250 but some people are like "lol no an ISK is more than a family earns in a lifetime".
Which is mad, and we should ignore those people. But what do we go with?
Because yeah, anyone with even a single billion ISK makes Smaug look like the Weasleys at even the most conservative exchange rate there.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:26:00 -
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Define "richest", "wealth".
1. In pure, raw, material-value-only wealth, Smaug falls way behind us simply because we exist in a universe far larger than Middle-Earth; he wasn't likely to ever pillage more than a continent, certainly no more than a planet's range. We, by contrast, have thousands of solar systems to extract wealth from; yes, we will certainly surpass Smaug (and many a fantasy character, at that).
2. Now let's add in the assumed value of unique, rare, legendary or otherwise especially valuable items. Again using Smaug as an example, I'm no Tolkien-nut, but surely his hoard included many a valuable item, even beyond the Arkenstone? Items that could be sold, in theory, for more than the mountain of gold he slept on?
Of course, he isn't the only one with rare items: A Revelation is around 2.5b last I checked; the Veldnaught is priceless. In fact, on account of rare items, I would name Entity as the richest EVE player including rare item values. He holds innumerable rare items, including 3 out of the 4 nation-issued Tier 2 battleships.
3. Now, for a final layer of mindscrewyness, let's consider the wealth of states and nations lead by totalitarian leaders, who can effectively coopt that wealth as their own: Jamyl Sarum was mentioned here before, as was Catiz Tash-Murkon.
At this point we're transcending into the realm of ludicrous amounts of resources available - Emperor Palpatine had the funds for a 900km moon to be built for him, after all, even aside from the normal expenses of running a galaxy-spanning Empire. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Paragon Blitz
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Posted - 2013.07.06 12:53:00 -
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I'd been under the assumption that 1 ISK was about one day's wage for a typical person. So that is something like AU$170.
That makes me richer than Smaug.
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
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Death ToU
Screaming Hayabusa
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:10:00 -
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$15 = plex = 520m ISK (ish) so that gives you the RL value |
Berluth Luthian
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:39:00 -
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Death ToU wrote:$15 = plex = 520m ISK (ish) so that gives you the RL value
We aren't talking real life dollars, but what ISK would be worth to the average person. I like the comparison to daily wages. That seems like a more understandable comparison. |
Berluth Luthian
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:46:00 -
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1 metric ton of IRL wheat is currently about $300 US Dollars.
1 metric ton of wheat in isk is purchased at 242 ISK from NPCs.
So using wheat as a conversion commodity 1 ISK = $1.24
So some players would literally have trillions of dollars, while some dignitaries and rulers would have dozens or hundreds of trillions in networth. |
Berluth Luthian
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:58:00 -
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However if you go by soil...
Medium grade top soil is about $30 per cu yard. One unit or 1.5 cu m of soil in new eden is bought by NPCs for 121 ISK. Approximately 2 cu yards is 1.5 cu m. So 1 Eve-unit of soil would be ~$60 IRL. Cost of soil can vary about 50% to 100% depending on volume purchased and quality.
Still, here we have ISK trading for less than the dollar. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:15:00 -
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But could you imagine buying a new spaceworthy and combat ready vessel for $500,000? Or something like $5 million for a fully fit combat-ship. That is very very cheap. |
Berluth Luthian
Meltdown.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:59:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:But could you imagine buying a new spaceworthy and combat ready vessel for $500,000? Or something like $5 million for a fully fit combat-ship. That is very very cheap.
Well if you consider how available the raw materials are, how automated the manufacturing is, I don't think it's that far off. The real cost that we aren't paying for would be the wages of a lot of the crew on the capitals and the larger subcapitals. |
Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:58:00 -
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There was a news article a while back which gave 10,000 ISK as the total savings accrued by a "average family" living planetside in a lifetime. Not one person - a family. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1861
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:13:00 -
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Esna Pitoojee wrote:There was a news article a while back which gave 10,000 ISK as the total savings accrued by a "average family" living planetside in a lifetime. Not one person - a family.
A rule of thumb for calculating what your savings should be, which very few achieve, is:
net worth = Your annual income * # of working years / 10
Average income for a modern adult is about 40k a year. Average age is about 70, giving us 50 years of adult work assuming we start working at 20. Divide by ten to calculate a tenth of your total lifetime income
40,000 * 50 / 10 = $200,000 savings
Assume a married family of two, and that would be about $400,000 lifetime savings.
That puts the worth of 1 ISK at $40.
Significantly lower than some estimates, even Stitcher's.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
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Sabriz Adoudel
Paragon Blitz
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Posted - 2013.07.18 05:42:00 -
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Esna Pitoojee wrote:There was a news article a while back which gave 10,000 ISK as the total savings accrued by a "average family" living planetside in a lifetime. Not one person - a family.
That puts the 'average' daily wage for planetside people at 5-10 ISK, assuming family units are similar enough to 21st century Earth ones to be recognisable. (If we instead took 13th century families as the norm, where the term would refer to 30-50 people in extended family units, we're instead talking ~1 ISK for a daily wage).
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
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