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Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:25:00 - [1] - Quote So far, it would appear that the Megathorn Navy Issue's only benefit over the Vindicator is it's very, very slight speed increase an extra low slot (in exchange for one less med slot), 50 pts of more calibration, a little more drone space, and a tad bit more shield and armor. The Vindicator on the other hand, has an addition turret hard point, and extra med slot (trading off the low slot), more power grid, webifier bonus which allows it to demolish fast moving ships, and an additional meta level. As it would seem, the Vindicator is the best choice for absolute annihilation, as it can not only support all 8 blasters going off but an active tank at the same time, with an army of drones as well. Your opinion?
Vrenth Black-Talon 15	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:01:00 - [2] - Quote Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn wrote: So far, it would appear that the Megathorn Navy Issue's only benefit over the Vindicator is it's very, very slight speed increase an extra low slot (in exchange for one less med slot), 50 pts of more calibration, a little more drone space, and a tad bit more shield and armor. The Vindicator on the other hand, has an addition turret hard point, and extra med slot (trading off the low slot), more power grid, webifier bonus which allows it to demolish fast moving ships, and an additional meta level. As it would seem, the Vindicator is the best choice for absolute annihilation, as it can not only support all 8 blasters going off but an active tank at the same time, with an army of drones as well. Your opinion? I don't understand your question, you have just listed all the pros and cons in direct comparison, and you are still wanting to know which is better? There is a reason the Vindicator is 3 times the price, it's better.
Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:04:00 - [3] - Quote Sorry if I wasn't exactly explaining - I was trying to inquire about the situational advantages of either vessel (ie, is the Vindicator great by it'self or is it solely a fleet ship? Is it a better idea to go with more defense with the Megathorn Navy Issue or go with more firepower with the Vindicator? Is the Vindicator just as good as tanking as with the Navy Issue? etc).
Jack Miton Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 2079	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:51:00 - [4] - Quote It comes down to tank. If you need a heavy buffer tank, you want a navy mega. In all other situations vindicator is better.
Valiethuar Rahoeskilurn Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:56:00 - [5] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: It comes down to tank. If you need a heavy buffer tank, you want a navy mega. In all other situations vindicator is better. Thank you
Garr Earthbender Justified Chaos 163	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:57:00 - [6] - Quote If you want heavy buffer, don't use the navy mega. Use a navy Amarr ship. -Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 83	Posted - 2013.07.03 23:20:00 - [7] - Quote [Vindicator, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Vindicator every time. 1K dps at 27K is devastating, to things that are 90% webbed. Couple this with the innate tracking bonus, and the fact that this ship has 90K ehp and goes 2.1k/s unheated- and you have a serious **** monster on your hands. The web is what will always make the vindi better, always.
Taoist Dragon The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 486	Posted - 2013.07.04 00:55:00 - [8] - Quote Chessur wrote: Vindicator every time. 1K dps at 27K is devastating, to things that are 90% webbed. Couple this with the innate tracking bonus, and the fact that this ship has 90K ehp and goes 2.1k/s unheated- and you have a serious ** monster on your hands. The web is what will always make the vindi better, always**. Almost apart form the fact that most webs don't reach that far. Unless you pimp the hell out of it then the cost difference for effectiveness may become part of the decision critera depending on OP bank balances and willingness to lose multi bill isk in ships/fit etc. But anything that gets caught by said webs.....goodbye! That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything.
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 445	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:05:00 - [9] - Quote Almost anything 'Navy' = more tank in my experience. But you can get 1400 DPS from a Navy Mega.. My thing is: I am a LOT more fearless in a Navy Mega. Undock, start shooting, no worries. I could lose 1 then another 1 then another 1 for the same cost as a decent fit Vindi.
Froggy Storm Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 70	Posted - 2013.07.04 07:54:00 - [10] - Quote Vindi makes an excellent nul rat ship. But awfully expencive for a fleet doc of any kind. Then again anything is possible with sufficient funding. It would make for a brutal blap fleet mixed with dreds.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1193	Posted - 2013.07.04 11:20:00 - [11] - Quote Vrenth wrote: There is a reason the Vindicator is 3 times the price, it's better. That goes for the reward frigs with paint jobs too yeah?right? no, but in this case, the vindi is better :P Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Froggy Storm Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 70	Posted - 2013.07.04 11:30:00 - [12] - Quote Muad 'dib wrote: Vrenth wrote: There is a reason the Vindicator is 3 times the price, it's better. That goes for the reward frigs with paint jobs too yeah?right? no, but in this case, the vindi is better :P Well from a strictly technical aspect the special paint frigs were given out just for being an active account. As such their "substantive" value is 0. They just came into being without any material cost or rarity attached. Where as a pirate bs has a substantive cost which is then multiplied by its rarity. To site the opposite case for review look at the arena reward ships. Effectively no cost times effectively infinite rarity and you get an undefined answer. Thus the paradox of something priceless can also not be sold (worthless)
ImmutableDark The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 21	Posted - 2013.07.04 11:38:00 - [13] - Quote I like Pie. Elite Forum Warrior.
Cannibal Kane Temple of Kane 1981	Posted - 2013.07.04 11:54:00 - [14] - Quote Chessur wrote: [Vindicator, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Vindicator every time. 1K dps at 27K is devastating, to things that are 90% webbed. Couple this with the innate tracking bonus, and the fact that this ship has 90K ehp and goes 2.1k/s unheated- and you have a serious **** monster on your hands. The web is what will always make the vindi better, always. Please tell me that's not a PVP fit. I got an armor fit for PVP with one hell of a tank pumping out 1800 DPS. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 355	Posted - 2013.07.04 14:09:00 - [15] - Quote Vindicator provides a very useful role in fleets. Having 3-4 Vindis provides a fleet with 6-10 90% webs, which enable blap dreads to apply a lot of damage. In this role the damage of the vindi doesn't really matter they just need a solid buffer and a high enough resist line for triage reps to keep them up. Navy mega might be useful in some kind of small gang situations but I don't think the extra dps is worth it compared to the range advantage you get with the amarr navy BS. Both navy geddon and navy apoc are probably the better fleet ships. Capital Shop temporarily closed.
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 552	Posted - 2013.07.04 15:22:00 - [16] - Quote IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote: Vindicator provides a very useful role in fleets. Having 3-4 Vindis provides a fleet with 6-10 90% webs, which enable blap dreads to apply a lot of damage. In this role the damage of the vindi doesn't really matter they just need a solid buffer and a high enough resist line for triage reps to keep them up. Navy mega might be useful in some kind of small gang situations but I don't think the extra dps is worth it compared to the range advantage you get with the amarr navy BS. Both navy geddon and navy apoc are probably the better fleet ships. Pretty much this ^^
Pulgy Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 75	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:20:00 - [17] - Quote Chessur wrote: [Vindicator, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender I mah eyes, they burn. No range? No problem!Join the Church of the Holy BlasterGäó . A Hybrid religion.
Gary Bell Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 53	Posted - 2013.07.08 14:08:00 - [18] - Quote Yeah that is by far one of the dumbest things ive ever seen linked
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 114	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:41:00 - [19] - Quote The reason why the shield vindi is superior to the armor vidi is because 1. It has better projection 2. It has more tracking / DPS 3. It is faster This allows it to be flown much like a talos, instead of being forced to hug the station, gate
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid 283	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:52:00 - [20] - Quote If you want a fast BS with nice damage projection, use a Mach. Putting nano jeans on a vindi doesn't do much to hide its fat arse.
Chessur Life of lively full life thx to shield battery 133	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:49:00 - [21] - Quote Snaked, linked, dual nano mach is going 3K/s unheated Snaked, linked, dual nano Vidi is going 2.3k/s unheated, but has that 90% web. Its very playable.
Lugia3 Pirates Incorporated 477	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:55:00 - [22] - Quote Chessur wrote: Snaked, linked, dual nano mach is going 3K/s unheated Snaked, linked, dual nano Vidi is going 2.3k/s unheated, but has that 90% web. Its very playable. In a Mach you can fit more shield tank, and get far better damage projection. The Vindi still has to go in very close, which will get it blapped. Get a Talos instead. Yarr
Cannibal Kane Somali Coast Guard Authority 2105	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:48:00 - [23] - Quote Chessur wrote: The reason why the shield vindi is superior to the armor vidi is because 1. It has better projection 2. It has more tracking / DPS 3. It is faster This allows it to be flown much like a talos, instead of being forced to hug the station, gate Cool... but since You have never used a Vindi to kill anything or rarely fly alone I am going to stick to the 1800DPS heavily armored Vindi. No offense but giving advice to people without actually using the ship sounds a bit counter productive. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS

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