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Jezal Sekil	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:18:00 - [1] Hi there, Let say that I get 10 accounts and pay for them, then I made 10 characters that I name player1,player2,player3... Fortunatly I own 4 PC that could easily run all character at once and then go start mining with them. I turn off the convo, so I will not be bothered and can mine wihthout being disturbed, I also minimized local windows chat. So typically there's no way for me to be reach. Since I don't understand english if I received an email I will not take the time to try to understand the mail. So there's no way for me to know that you are trying to reach me. Now imagine that you warpin to the belt where I'm happily mining. This wil raise several questions What would think at this time ? Will you think that I'm doing a macromining operation ? If Yes , what would justify that I'm doing a macromining operation ? If not, what would be the best thing to do to determine that I'm not a macrominer ? ...any other questions... Just curious
Mallikanth	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:19:00 - [2] Oh PLLEEAAASEEE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Stop the macro crap Is this the subject of the year?? Damm well seem like it. /me goes off in a huff ****************************************** "Just drive down that road, until you get blown up" - General George Patton, about reconnaissance troops *****************************************
SengH	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:20:00 - [3] the sincher would be when people start jacking your ore and dont say anything... or when 10 kestrels gather around your barges and nothing happens.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:24:00 - [4] How to? you ask? So simple... start killing your barges with suicide kestrels... if you don't start a whining thread on E-O in the next 5 min, you were a macrominer... sheesss screw the macroers and go back to play.... - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation in any way. -
Galk	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:24:00 - [5] The self apointed police will deem you guilty. There's nothing in the rules that state you must do anything reguarding this issue, but hey. CCP, the forum staff have dug their own grave on this one, i did warn of the concequences of allowing the paranoia to flow... Now i just think whatever..... The self apointed morons... 'there just doing their job' ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
Martin Gore	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:36:00 - [6] And just how are you going to operate 10 accounts unloading to cans??? I take it you can only really use 1 hand for mouse properly.... so unless you are really fast and a robot.... I would say that you would need a MACRO to help you...so yes that would be macro mining as I can't see how you could sit there mining with 10 accounts and haul.
Galk	Posted - 2005.12.02 12:56:00 - [7] Dear martin. It is easy to control 10 accounts while mining. Tbh i know of people in the game with more than 10 accounts... ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
Lisa Run	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:02:00 - [8] Very artificial example. If you really make 10 accounts with the name player1 t...player10 and switch all communication off and mine 10 hours per day 7 days a week without never doing something else and totally miss the point when the wanna-be sherrifs arrive then ... you have bad luck. The 'I like to mine roids 24/7 with 10 accounts and I'm not interested in something else. That's how I enjoy the game.' argument is weak. Since people are allowed to kill in EVE for no reason, it's up to you to adapt. If you don't want to adapt, then you better convince people, why they should leave you alone, but the argument above is weak, like I said.
Galk	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Lisa Run Since people are allowed to kill in EVE for no reason, it's up to you to adapt. If you don't want to adapt, then you better convince people, why they should leave you alone, but the argument above is weak, like I said. So what you saying then.. you would go around greifing folks that don't want it reguardless... Unless ofcourse they ask you pretty please not to... then you might consider it ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
Lisa Run	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:24:00 - [10] Edited by: Lisa Run on 02/12/2005 13:35:45 Originally by: Galk Originally by: Lisa Run Since people are allowed to kill in EVE for no reason, it's up to you to adapt. If you don't want to adapt, then you better convince people, why they should leave you alone, but the argument above is weak, like I said. So what you saying then.. you would go around greifing folks that don't want it reguardless... Unless ofcourse they ask you pretty please not to... then you might consider it Originally by: Lisa Run If you really make 10 accounts with the name player1 t...player10 and switch all communication off and mine 10 hours per day 7 days a week without never doing something else and totally miss the point when the wanna-be sherrifs arrive then ... In the above case, yes. Concorde is the only thing that keeps me from blowing you up, if you play like this and don't react at all. Maybe you don't like it, but ... hmm, still, I see no reason why I should care. edit: And I doubt that many people would come to the funeral, if player1 to player10 died who never talked to anyone and did any thing else than mining 10/7 with closed eyes and ears.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:33:00 - [11] What a ridiculous question. Why on Earth would any sane person wish to open and pay for 10 accounts, run them on 4 computers, and mine with them? What fun would that be? What exactly is the point? Paying $150 a month for running between PC screens mining? Get real about this. The ONLY reason someone would do that is if: A) They are macromining B) They are ISK farming to sell on eBay Both are against the EULA and you will/should get banned. Otherwise, if someone is insane enough to pay for 10 accounts and run between computers trying to mine... well, they deserve to get a little hassle. Maybe it will kick them back into the real world.
Sirilonwe	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Martin Gore And just how are you going to operate 10 accounts unloading to cans??? I take it you can only really use 1 hand for mouse properly.... so unless you are really fast and a robot.... I would say that you would need a MACRO to help you...so yes that would be macro mining as I can't see how you could sit there mining with 10 accounts and haul. Technically, ice mining cycle is 7.5 minutes (with best skills). Or 7*60+30= 450 seconds. 10 barges = 45 seconds to move stuff to a can. Impossible? _______________________ Forums DSU
Sybylle	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:40:00 - [13] Damn....Discussion about macro-miners have become more boring than IG standard mining... Site ICE is coming to EveÖ since 235112 AD Image oversized, please take a look at the forum rules - Laqum
Lisa Run	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Sirilonwe Technically, ice mining cycle is 7.5 minutes (with best skills). Or 7*60+30= 450 seconds. 10 barges = 45 seconds to move stuff to a can. Impossible? And then I'd ask you the question that has already been asked by someone: 'Why would anyone run 10 accounts with barges ?' I guess you'd answer: 'I don't tell you that ! I can do what I want !' And then I'd answer: 'Yes, and me2. I can blow you up and I don't have to tell you why !' So ? Usually won't happen, if you play the game with players and not in your solo isk farming way.
Isayo Arkindra	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Butter Dog What a ridiculous question. ... The ONLY reason someone would do that is if: A) They are macromining B) They are ISK farming to sell on eBay Both are against the EULA and you will/should get banned. ... Funny thing is - it's agains eBays policy as well to sell this. Originally by: eBay User Agreement Listing and Selling. 5.1 Listing Description. You must be legally able to sell the item(s) you list for sale on the Site. You must describe your item and all terms of sale on the listing page of the Site. Your listings may only include text descriptions, graphics, pictures and other content relevant to the sale of that item. All listed items must be listed in an appropriate category. All items in multiple item listings must be identical.? I'm amazed that CCP haven't acted upon this. I've written eBay a letter about it, telling them how people are violating their OWN user agreement since they can not legaly sell these items - CCP prohibits this through the EULA of EVE-Online. I recieved a reply from the swedish site about it, and such items where emediatly removed, but no answer from the US site yet. On topic now then .. Anyone can shoot anyone in this game, it's a part of the game itself. However - if you're petitioned and a GM wich to contact you, I belive they can force open a conversation so this can not be 'missed'. But that doesn't solve your problem, does it? Simply put - don't do that! __________
Androsin	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:54:00 - [16] Edited by: Androsin on 02/12/2005 13:57:17 ------------------------------ "Everybody's dead Dave...."
migwar	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:58:00 - [17] Genuine question to the OP, what do you spend your isk on? if all you do is mine?
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Sykosys on 02/12/2005 14:03:29 Alot of people are saying stop the witch hunt, but these macroers/isk farmers are being found. They are being reported and the GMs are investigating. I am glad this is happening. Its good to see a gaming community get involoved for the the betterment of the game. DOWN WITH EBAY ISK FARMERS. DOWN WITH MACROERS. Oh and to stay on subject who can mine with 10 accounts for 23/7 a week and call it fun. This argument is pure bull. Oh and the fact that they are ALL in npc corps says something, and that isk on ebay listing has grown also says another thing. EDIT:: Why is the OP asking these questions? Is he trying to find a way to isk farm and macro easier?? SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
gfldex	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:57:00 - [19] Jezal Sekil wrote: > So typically there's no way for me to be reach. A GM will be able to get your attention as he can't be blocked. And he is able to spawn some nasty rats beside you. :) > Since I don't understand english if I received an email I will not take the time to try to understand the mail. If you get the GM to belief you you will be fine. If not -> spawn. > What would think at this time ? A beeping macro miner! Lets [take his ore\|bump him\|kill him]. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Germain	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:06:00 - [20] my corp needs isk. I WILL FARM IT. kill me i will hunt you and kill you.
Jezal Sekil	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:29:00 - [21] How do you know that the player is mining 24/7 Remember that all the deal is : when you warp into the belt you saw 10 players mining in a belt with weird name. That's all you know, you don't know the story behind I'm just trying to demonstrate that when you warp in a belt and you saw 10 mining player there, this could be someone that really manipulate all accounts behind and pay for them. I personally never tested this but I could easily imagine, 4 PC connected with a switchbox, 3 accounts per PC running in window mode, and then you switch between the pc with the switchbox ... Of course the guy behind the screen is to much busy with manipulating the mouse and moving ore around to answer any convo or local chat. Beware I'm not trying to defend the cause of macrominer, but someone could have this configuration and mine time to time, because I think that with 10 accounts if you mine 5~6 Hours / 2 day per weeks you should have enough ore and money to play with your main char in no time and then fully enjoy the game with your main char. To resume someone paying for 10 accounts to speed up his wallet growth, and then enjoy the game with his main char spending money around could not be blame or considered as a macrominer or a cheater. What about you ? Do you still think that the guy is a macrominer and deserve to be podded ?
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:48:00 - [22] Edited by: Sykosys on 02/12/2005 15:50:12 Originally by: Jezal Sekil How do you know that the player is mining 24/7 Remember that all the deal is : when you warp into the belt you saw 10 players mining in a belt with weird name. That's all you know, you don't know the story behind I'm just trying to demonstrate that when you warp in a belt and you saw 10 mining player there, this could be someone that reallEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:48:00 - [23] Edited by: Sykosys on 02/12/2005 15:50:12 Originally by: Jezal Sekil How do you know that the player is mining 24/7 Remember that all the deal is : when you warp into the belt you saw 10 players mining in a belt with weird name. That's all you know, you don't know the story behind I'm just trying to demonstrate that when you warp in a belt and you saw 10 mining player there, this could be someone that really manipulate all accounts behind and pay for them. I personally never tested this but I could easily imagine, 4 PC connected with a switchbox, 3 accounts per PC running in window mode, and then you switch between the pc with the switchbox ... Of course the guy behind the screen is to much busy with manipulating the mouse and moving ore around to answer any convo or local chat. Beware I'm not trying to defend the cause of macrominer, but someone could have this configuration and mine time to time, because I think that with 10 accounts if you mine 5~6 Hours / 2 day per weeks you should have enough ore and money to play with your main char in no time and then fully enjoy the game with your main char. To resume someone paying for 10 accounts to speed up his wallet growth, and then enjoy the game with his main char spending money around could not be blame or considered as a macrominer or a cheater. What about you ? Do you still think that the guy is a macrominer and deserve to be podded ? Ok your asking intresting questions, Firstly I don't kill them I bump them to over 20km from their original location and sit there watching their lasers turn off and sitting there doing nothing for several minutes. I then steal their ore to see if I can get a reaction. I usually never do. Every now and again I get a player convoing me asking me what am I doing while I am bumping the hell out of them. I tell them I am seeing if they are macro mining. I then ask if they are and they promptly tell me no. The best is when the one isk farming guy running over 15 accounts starts calling me a PK in local for bumping his ships. Can't speak a hint of english. I am going to bring along some chinese speaking players to see what he says to them. Of course they are petitioned first. It seems there isn't much the GM's can do against isk farming without proof that the isk is being directly sold on ebay. These guys are geting smarter making so many chars to launder the isk and such. There was an article about MMOG farmers. Its a sad growing trend. I do not want eve to be another lineage II or such. If only ebay would not allow the selling of game items. It would slow down these guys a bit. But whenever there is RL money to be gained greed is something that will always be there unfortunatly. And someone will always see the potential for profit no matter how de-moral or wrong it is. And the OP please stop your facade. What are you really trying to do by this topic you posted?? SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
Beringe	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Jezal Sekil How do you know that the player is mining 24/7 There isn't really a way to know anything for sure. We'll just call it "staggeringly likely" and be done with it. Happens all the time. ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming.
Kurren	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Jezal Sekil Hi there, Let say that I get 10 accounts and pay for them, then I made 10 characters that I name player1,player2,player3... Fortunatly I own 4 PC that could easily run all character at once and then go start mining with them. I turn off the convo, so I will not be bothered and can mine wihthout being disturbed, I also minimized local windows chat. So typically there's no way for me to be reach. Since I don't understand english if I received an email I will not take the time to try to understand the mail. So there's no way for me to know that you are trying to reach me. Now imagine that you warpin to the belt where I'm happily mining. This wil raise several questions What would think at this time ? Will you think that I'm doing a macromining operation ? If Yes , what would justify that I'm doing a macromining operation ? If not, what would be the best thing to do to determine that I'm not a macrominer ? ...any other questions... Just curious So, in other words... at least 9 ships are easy to blow up and I'm gonna get a bunch of free minerals? ********************************************** 00100[/] GOOD S1GS P1SS TH3 D3VS OFF!! [b]00100**
Germain	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:23:00 - [26] Edited by: Germain on 02/12/2005 16:25:03 i rreally dont understand why its such a problem. If the eve subscribers went to 40k user online at once and many were miniers then it has the same effect on the eve economy. there are many pure mining corps out there. as long as the isk is used by players in the game then that is ok. the same roid will be mined by someone at some point so the sasme ore will be use in the economy and the isk generated will be use in the game. so whats the problem? It seem to me that you have found an excuse from you mindless griefing that happened to miners a 6 months ago. just let them get on with it. why does it matter? and if any one here is chinese, then put in a complaint about some of the almost racist language that has been used. get thoes pll banned as they will bring a bad name to the eve universe
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Germain Edited by: Germain on 02/12/2005 16:25:20 i really dont understand why its such a problem. If the eve subscribers went to 40k user online at once and many were miniers then it has the same effect on the eve economy. there are many pure mining corps out there. as long as the isk is used by players in the game then that is ok. the same roid will be mined by someone at some point so the sasme ore will be use in the economy and the isk generated will be use in the game. so whats the problem? It seem to me that you have found an excuse from you mindless griefing that happened to miners a 6 months ago. just let them get on with it. why does it matter? and if any one here is chinese, then put in a complaint about some of the almost racist language that has been used. get thoes pll banned as they will bring a bad name to the eve universe The problem is the isk is NOT being used by players in game, it is used for RL cash on ebay and other sites. And thats not cool at all. SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Germain my corp needs isk. I WILL FARM IT. kill me i will hunt you and kill you. What is the name of your corp please?? Or are you still in an npc corp. Cause last I checked those corps don't need isk. (I am at work so I can't check in game) SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
TitusCrow	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Mallikanth Oh PLLEEAAASEEE! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Stop the macro crap Is this the subject of the year?? Damm well seem like it. /me goes off in a huff have to agree with this gent is so boring looking on the forum and everyday seeing moans about macro mining ok we don't like macro miners but hearing about it everyday is so boring plz stop

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