Originally by: Ante

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Edited by: Ante on 03/12/2005 06:18:39
I'd like to see comparisons of the HACs with the Deimos using guns that it can fit. That excludes neutron blasters, 250mm railgun IIs and 200mm railgun IIs. This is because all of the above are impossible to fit with other required modules without at least one reactor control unit.

EDIT: Nice sig Corto.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"Amarr ships have ample low slots that we either tank or gank with. You do not do both, that is dumb and something that is done most affectively on Caldari/Minmatar ships where mid."

Just curious, but... why exactly is it dumb and not to be done, come RMR? ^^;

I mean, currently with the stacking penalty being far milder it makes lot of sense to fill the ship up to gills with damage mods, and just gank with overpowering damage. Equally, it might make sense to play turtle with tanking gear in all slots and hope you can wear the enemy out.

But, with the way new stacking is done there seems to be no reason why one couldn't fit the most beneficial amount of damage mods (2-3 i think) to keep their damage relatively high, and use the remaining modules for the tank... so you can delay the point of your own death long enough for the other ship to break. o.O;

or is that maybe some kind of "thou shall not tank and gank" think written in the Scriptures, or something ^^;;

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Originally by: Ante

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Edited by: Ante on 03/12/2005 06:18:39
I'd like to see comparisons of the HACs with the Deimos using guns that it can fit. That excludes neutron blasters, 250mm railgun IIs and 200mm railgun IIs. This is because all of the above are impossible to fit with other required modules without at least one reactor control unit.

EDIT: Nice sig Corto.

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Originally by: Meridius

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Edited by: Meridius on 03/12/2005 06:05:30
<HellGremlin> Rest in peace, Zealot :(

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"Because that way it does neither remotely well."

Do you mean it as in, Amarr ship fitting regular armour tank will tank worse than any other armour tanker, and with the same amount of damage mods like any other ship it will also do worse damage than anyone else? Because i somehow can't convince myself to buy that o.O;

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"Amarr ships have ample low slots that we either tank or gank with. You do not do both, that is dumb and something that is done most affectively on Caldari/Minmatar ships where mid."

Just curious, but... why exactly is it dumb and not to be done, come RMR? ^^;

I mean, currently with the stacking penalty being far milder it makes lot of sense to fill the ship up to gills with damage mods, and just gank with overpowering damage. Equally, it might make sense to play turtle with tanking gear in all slots and hope you can wear the enemy out.

But, with the way new stacking is done there seems to be no reason why one couldn't fit the most beneficial amount of damage mods (2-3 i think) to keep their damage relatively high, and use the remaining modules for the tank... so you can delay the point of your own death long enough for the other ship to break. o.O;

or is that maybe some kind of "thou shall not tank and gank" think written in the Scriptures, or something ^^;;

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Originally by: Hobblin I

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Originally by: Corto Maltese

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Edited by: Corto Maltese on 03/12/2005 06:39:23
I was sitting thinking about post patch the other day.

What about like:

4 heavy pulse 2

normal mids

medium rep 2, energized adaptive and thermic, 800 plate, 3 damage mods

decent damage, decent tank, but also very predictable i guess

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Not really a tank.

Run that rep and your guns will stop very quickly..

Your best bet is to not even have the rep and just passively hope to tank long enough for your guns to kill.

However, with other ships having more hp, and the Zealot doing way less dps. That isn't quite a great scenario either.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"1. Lasers eat lots of cap, despite the popluar belief Mega Pulse on a Geddon use more cap per second then Ions on a Megathron. That cap is taken out of what you can tank with and the more gank you go for the more cap your guns chew through."

Everyone has perpetual cap problems while trying to tank and shoot at once, though... it's hardly Amarr specialty. Everyone else deals with it by fitting the cap boosters. Wouldn't the same approach actually benefit the Amarr ships more than others, given they have more free cargo space to store the charges? ^^;

In addition, lowered number of damage mods that's now worthwile to stack means, cap usage for turrets is far lower than what full-out gank ship needs to run the turrets... isn't it? o.O


"2. Armor reps repair slowly, very slowly and most of the time you'll die with a lot cap left."

OK, but then it sort of removes the first complaint, that is the high cap usage -- cap apparently isn't a problem. Now, if the problem is the armour repair rate, how comes there's been no complaints up to now how "omg armour repairers suck, i die before they work" ... and maybe if this is actual problem, it's time to start such thread as it'd benefit the very Zealot that's supposedly dying come next patch... along with every other armour tanker, i guess?


"3. Those Caldari/Minmatar ships also have the advantage of being able to EW + gank (mostly Caldari). We can't do that."

ok, but this is another issue altogether. You don't have any real defense against EW, but then adding another turret to your ship ain't going to make a difference here in the slightest -- if you get can of EW opened on your ship, you'll have 5 useless turrets instead of 4, same end effect ^^;;

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