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Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.10 00:09:00 - [1] - Quote I hate to break this to all you Barbie dress-up people, but you are not going to see WIS in any enjoyable/playable fashion anytime soon unless or until: 1) EVE becomes a fat golden goose for CCP again, enabling them to staff and fund 3 different and sophisticated projects simultaneously like they were when Incarna was released. 2) Dust 514 is a huge success. 3) Players stop noticing when CCP takes 2 years off from doing real development of FIS and also keep subscribing during that whole time. We have what we have now because CCP's management bit off more than it could chew, and gambled that players would swallow a half baked "expansion" that included a ham-fisted attempt at introducing MT into a subscription game. Because there is next to no competition for them in their niche market, it was probably easy for them to believe they could pull it off. Sometimes when you gamble, you lose. The only reason CCP got so much done with FIS with the Crucible patch in such a short time is because they are fighting to keep their jobs during a bad worldwide economy after receiving lots of bad PR and a significant reduction in their subscription revenue. For those of you who have only been around a couple of years or less, the TL DR version is this: CCP promises a lot of stuff, but they only sometimes get around to delivering and finishing said stuff. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.20 01:14:00 - [2] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Illion wrote: CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time. They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff. You know that they want to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'. Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out. They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined. Ill. Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev). I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then. I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. You are not going to get that kind of commitment here because CCP does not even know if they will need to layoff more people or not to stay in business. If you want WIS to become a reality, you need to start buying a lot a PLEX, get a lot of old players to come back (CCP is working hard on this) or get new players to join for the content and features we have now. EVE revenue alone has been funding development of 3 separate games for the last 3 years, which became unsustainable when they lost 25% of their concurrent online player numbers after the ham-fisted NEX/Incarna release. Adding to that, there was something like a $10Mil bank loan that came due in October they either refinanced or had to pony-up. They are literally fighting for their jobs, and if you are very lucky CCP might have enough confidence and insight into their present situation to commit to something at fanfest. But don't count on it, CCP makes a lot of promises and hints at a lot of things at fanfest that don't become reality. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.20 01:30:00 - [3] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Flamespar wrote: Illion wrote: CCP are between a rock and a hard place.. they can only please some of the people some of the time. They're just going to bide their time until the FiS lobby are satisfied and then slowly start to introduce more Incarna stuff. You know that they want to do Incarna stuff.. that is where they see the future of eve, that's clearly demonstrated by the path they took before they got ***** slapped. Its fundamental to the all round 'sci-fi simulator'. Don't worry, Incarna will come... they must have thousands of lines of Incarna code from the last aborted release sat their waiting to be implemented, only a couple of weeks away from release. It just needs to be slowly leaked out. They cant answer this thread to say that because they will get hammered again by a very vocal group who post everywhere that their game is being ruined. Ill. Personally I think most of the players who want WiS would be satisfied if CCP were to say, we aim to have multiplayer establishments implemented in the next 12 months (at one stage these were 'ready to go' on singularity according to one Dev). I think most of the announcements on EVE will be made at Fanfest, although it would be great to get something before then. I mean, surely a 75 page thread on Incarna deserves some sort of reply. You are not going to get that kind of commitment here because CCP does not even know if they will need to layoff more people or not to stay in business. If you want WIS to become a reality, you need to start buying a lot a PLEX, get a lot of old players to come back (CCP is working hard on this) or get new players to join for the content and features we have now. EVE revenue alone has been funding development of 3 separate games for the last 3 years, which became unsustainable when they lost 25% of their concurrent online player numbers after the ham-fisted NEX/Incarna release. Adding to that, there was something like a $10Mil bank loan that came due in October they either refinanced or had to pony-up. They are literally fighting for their jobs, and if you are very lucky CCP might have enough confidence and insight into their present situation to commit to something at fanfest. But don't count on it, CCP makes a lot of promises and hints at a lot of things at fanfest that don't become reality. Work for CCP? No. Then quit the endless speculation. It's hardly speculation, and I'm hardly the only one who has pointed this out. CCP laid off 20% of their staff almost closing the whitewolf office which is where WOD is being developed. WIS is the test platform and foundation for WOD. The loan was public information and you can review the PCU numbers after Incarna by visting eve-offline.com which showed 25% lower concurrent player levels not seen since 2008. Add to that, the Great Leader's "apology" letter where he talks about most all of this. Wait till their financials are posted in Iceland after the end of the year and you can see for yourself without having to look around too much. Or, maybe if you stamp your feet some more for WIS mommy will give you a biscuit. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.20 02:45:00 - [4] - Quote Cailais wrote: That might be true, but that rather assumes that WiS development was only a by product of WOD development and had no value in and of itself to EVE Online. We are the guinea pigs for WOD, we always have been. We are its proving ground for the underlying tech and we will reap any "benefits" that come out of it. Presently we are nothing better than beta testers who pay for the privilege. Whatever value WIS it is supposed to bring to EVE, CCP cannot seem to clearly quantify what that will be, and after so many years that has people who want it and have their own vision of it understandably miffed. Cailais wrote: There is the view point that CCPs change in direction (post summer of rage) was entirely and solely to do with WiS - but the subject is rather more complex thhan that. Yes there were, and are, many detractors from WiS (namely an Avatar based element of EVE). But the summer of rage consisted of numerous player complaints - the introduction of MTs to the game, the lack of attention to other 'hot topics' and so forth. That's not my viewpoint, but I agree there are many who blame it all on WIS. A significant part of it was that CCP was too busy saying how awesome everything was (even though Incarna was half-baked) instead of addressing real player concerns over stuff that has been plaguing the game for years. It felt to some long time players like CCP just abandoned EVE's core game play for some quick dosh. There were a lot of reasons, and it just fanned the flames when the Great Leader was caught red handed taking his customers for granted. Time will tell if his apology was just lip service or not. Cailais wrote: I think that CCP will first wait on delivering DUST514, whilst making incremental steps to EVE Onlines FiS. Once DUST514 is out the door I think returning to some form of 'WiS' (perhaps a rather different evolution to how it has been envisaged to date) will come to the fore. It seems unlikely that CCP can, or will, just leave WiS as a series of CQs - that said they are under no time pressure to resolve that particular quandary. I am convinced they are going to continue full-steam on DUST development right now because they are too far invested not to, and they have contractual obligations with Sony. If we see WIS iterations anytime soon it will be because the money is there to do it. That's either because DUST is a profitable success, and/or EVE player numbers and revenue return to levels that can sustain all 3 games and all the staff necessary. EVE will see FIS iterations, whether or not they are as appealing as Crucible was will be interesting indeed. I'd love to see what CCP can do in 6 months with FIS working under the gun like they just did. This has all been hashed and re-hashed before, and it all boils down to money and contractual obligations. If People want WIS sooner than later, CCP needs the cash to do it. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.20 03:09:00 - [5] - Quote edit: double post CCP fix your gorram forums! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.20 03:35:00 - [6] - Quote Sallaria Gengod wrote: For those of you saying that CCP lost 25% of its players because of Incarna, I call BS on that unless you can show me the figures. Can you? I can! 25% of concurrent players online does not equal 25% of all EVE players grasshopper. These are different things, but one does correlate to the other. Also, I already disclosed where you can see this for yourself, but since you are new, I will post it again it for you: eve-offline.net (Click on Tranquility on the left menu. ) Look at the "All Time Daily Average" you will notice after June this year, it falls to 2008/2009 numbers which is about a average of 25K or so. We used to see 35K. It is also interesting to note the last big peak was in January. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.20 04:45:00 - [7] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Diana Dour wrote: What failed was Hilmar and Soundwave's version of WiS. Which was NeX and...modeling? Player interaction, somehow was last on the list, establishments crossed off the list. Literally replaced by CCP brand skirts printed at the MT shop and a prison cell. They hired fashion designers for god ******* sakes... they abandoned a working engine and started a new untested one for some silly ass fad vampire game. It took them a decade to develop the "Loot All" function, they shouldn't be working on new games or selling skirts. That's what lost them a chunk of their subscribers, not EVE WiS, or the idea of it. I don't know why players are saying the WoD is the reason the Incarna was developed. CCP purchased Whitewolf. CCP decided to make Whitewolf's WOD Vampire MMO. CCP needed tech to make WOD and "virtual worlds other than EVE" but all it had was Trinity. CCP converts aspects of EVE's Trinity engine to become "Carbon". Linky "This code has then been refined and extended to serve the needs of other CCP projects." EVE WIS (Carbon character technology) is the test bed and foundation for WOD. Until it works here, it won't work there. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.21 01:52:00 - [8] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Disdaine wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships. It's a feature relevant to eve. Otherwise it would never have been developed. And how did that work out for the game? It's funny how most of the arguments from WiS haters amounts to nothing more than 'OMG IT"S NOT SPACESHIPS THEREFORES I HATEZ IT'. Get an immagination fool. I got no problem with WIS as long as: 1) it never COMPROMISES FIS development again like it has for the last 2+ years 2) it always remains OPTIONAL like CCP promised us. 3) A NEX store MT never provides an in-game advantage, be it golden ammo, or FIS-usable items players did not create. Other than that, you can play space-Barbie dress-up, and emote/dance all you want for all I care. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.21 05:24:00 - [9] - Quote Flamespar wrote: I don't know why people bother replying to the small group of people who claim to 'speak for the eve community' and then launch into a ****** attacked on WiS. It's the same people and the same ****** arguements against WiS again and again. OMG it's not spaceships therefor it fails. OMG I don't want to play dress-ups (though when customisable ship skins arrive I'm sure you'll have no problem dressing up your space sparkle pony). OMG if they work on WiS then no-one will be working on FiS (because it's just not possible to have different teams working on different features, is it? That's just impossible). Want this thread to end? Get CCP to clarify the future of Incarna. They need to clear up the uncertainty that Hilmars conflicting remarks have created. Give us a yes or no regarding if we are getting new Incarna content in the next 12 months. Then people can move on, and oh I don't know, actually play the game. The only valid arguement that the anti-WiS crowd have is that, is that CCP should not neglect FiS. No-one who wants to see the rest of Incarna is asking that it should. Only that it gets some dev time same as any other feature in EVE. Keep stamping your feet and shouting about WIS, CCP is presently interested in revenue and not what might happen with WIS. They are invested in releasing DUST 514. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can move on and wait for WIS to get an iteration just like all the pro-FIS people have been doing for over 2 years. It's not so much if WIS will get some love, but when. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.21 05:30:00 - [10] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Keep stamping your feet and shouting about WIS, CCP is presently interested in revenue and not what might happen with WIS. They are invested in releasing DUST 514. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can move on and wait for WIS to get an iteration just like all the pro-FIS people have been doing for over 2 years. It's not so much if WIS will get some love, but when. Wow. It's almost like you didn't read all of my post (which is in broad agreement with what you say). It's ok. I will arrange for a audio recording, of my soothing masculine voice, reading the post to you in it's entirety, so as to aid in your understanding. I look forward to your letters. (spoken in Craig Ferguson's voice) The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.24 17:53:00 - [11] - Quote Anyone who insists that WIS be made a priority again, and thinks that CCP is ignoring them should just unsub now, i.e vote with your wallet. A significant loss of revenue is what it took to get CCP back on track with FIS, and when their financials are released next year it will be very enlightening to see how many players "voted" in 2011 for a return to sanity. After 4+ years of Dev time where 2 of those years FIS was abandoned almost entirely, we got the Captain's Closet, and some overpriced fashion accessories available via a cash-shop. Be very careful what you demand CCP expend its resources on, their definition of "excellence" is not quite the same as the one in the dictionary. CCP's history and perception by its peers of "over-promise then under-deliver" is going to take a lot of time to turn around, and I very much doubt WIS is going to be how they accomplish that. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.24 23:27:00 - [12] - Quote Arcathra wrote: Why do you keep bringing up that point? Because of the ongoing bleating about CCP not answering pro-WIS players in this thread. They aren't going to answer you here because WIS is on the back burner where they now realize it always belonged. Pro-WIS people are going to have to wait until fanfest before anyone at CCP is going to go near this subject, and even then their words will be very carefully chosen. If you want to have a feature, or "what if" asking discussion as you claim, there is another forum area here called Features & Ideas Discussion where your dialog would be more applicable. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.27 23:48:00 - [13] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. Statements like that is why you and others get referred to as "Space-Barbie dressup people". I'd hardly call people quitting after CCP mostly abandoned FIS for 2 years after ignoring 8 years worth of bugged/unfinished features to work on 2 other games "petty". Especially when it was leaked that they really didn't give a crap what we thought, because we'd just keep paying them. CCP literally dared players to vote with their wallets and that is exactly what a lot of players did. "..this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. " -Hilmar Petursson Thu, 23 Jun 2011 Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. You'd lose that bet because the technology just isn't there right now to do this properly, i.e. the way people like you are expecting it to work. Hilmar himself has had to concede this to the CSM recently. CSM 6 Dec Summit Report Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. They have already stated it's not abandoned, you do know what being placed on the "backburner" means correct? If any players really think CCP is ignoring you or that WIS has been abandoned, you should unsub now. They aren't going to say a thing about WIS until fanfest, so sticking your fingers in your ears and stamping your feet demanding answers just makes you all look ignorant and immature. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.27 23:54:00 - [14] - Quote Double post. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.28 00:09:00 - [15] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: MotherMoon wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: It's amazing to me how completely greedy the FiS crowd is. Seems to me the WiS crowd wants to see work done on both FiS and WiS while the FiS crowd wants nothing but FiS to be worked on... My vote has always been to let CCP do what they want and make the game they want to make. I say we shut the whiny little fucks up who ***, protest and shoot at statues. well DUST beta is coming ,lets see how much will be done on FIS or WIS People need to remember there are not more people working on eve now than when incarna was released. They fired 200 people. And for that we can blame the crybabies that rage quit over petty crap. I am still predicting that DUST will not only make CCP more money but will also draw in more players to play EvE making them even more money. Same thing would have happened if WiS was completed. I am willing to bet that EvE would have made more back in new subs over the losers that quit if they had kept going with WiS and didn't back down on it. I still like Crucible and everything it has brought us in new ships and content but completing WiS should not be dismissed by CCP. While focus should remain on FiS, WiS should not be left behind and should be finished sooner rather than later. yeah but even the WiS lovers like me quit over that terrible expansion. also to guy above, they only put people on WiS for 6 months. The lack of good FiS features had nothing to do with WiS devoplment. Think about it. They were just being bad. All those other FiS only expansion that came out, while ignoring the playerbase was to blame. Incarna was just the tipping point They'd been working on WIS for 4+ years, while all the time diverting resources to 2 other games using EVE as their golden goose to pay for it all. I do agree Incarna was the tipping point for a lot** of reasons notwithstanding how absolutely terrible it was, and all CCP could offer-up was how "awesome" they are while claiming we were all just misunderstanding their intent. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.28 01:12:00 - [16] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Also...CCP hardly abandoned FiS for 2 years. There was plenty of content added in for FiS. If you don't agree it is only because you didn't like what content was brought in. I guess you missed the whole :18 months: debacle because you were too busy making plans to play an expansion that never arrived. Also, "mostly abandoned" != "abandoned". The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2011.12.30 01:37:00 - [17] - Quote Jhagiti Tyran wrote: Dreams, dreams and hopes that will never come close to being in the game until tech to do this advances a lot more, becomes less expensive, and CCP gets a LOT smarter and richer. FTFY My father used to say: "wish in one hand, and crap in the other, and see which one fills up faster". CCP is not going to address players about WIS before fanfest. And then, prepare for scant details with nothing concrete. That might change if all 6 or so of you guys crying for answers get organized and convince a lot of players to unsub, or somehow manage to create a 400+ page threadnaught in just a few days (how old is this thread?) . What you should be doing right now is praying that DUST is a big success, because if it flops, there ain't gonna' be much left of CCP's golden goose to bail them out on another gamble on tech-expensive ambitions. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.01 21:04:00 - [18] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: MrGeckoli wrote: Would be nice to hear about progress on WiS, think it is on backburner though. Everybody thinks and guesses, and CCP is not helping at all with their stubborn silence. Ignoring this thread is as nonsensical as it goes. Nobody has to guess anything, CCP has stated quite clearly WIS is not a present priority. Read Hilmar's apology, the Dev blogs, and the CSM summit summary that Seleene posted. The part about no more "jesus features" alone should be enough to tell you where things are heading. Just because you don't like the answer, does not mean if you keep asking over and over you'll get a different one. Denial is a harsh mistress, I'd recommend counseling. Why don't you just petition your CSM reps in the appropriate forum area and see what they tell you? For that matter why don't you open a game petition and demand you get a response? If you want to "discuss" WIS features there is a forum area specifically setup for doing that too. Why are you not using it? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 00:23:00 - [19] - Quote Kuronaga wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. WiS was intended to be part of eve. Deal with it. FTFY The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 01:21:00 - [20] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Disdaine wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: CCP has answered both in this thread and several other places. WiS is on the backburner and you're not going to get a different answer than that until CCP is done working on real EvE content. You've got a purdy mouf It's ok though, not all goons are like Ladie. Quote: I see no problem with this. Like it or not, Incarna is part of EVE now, and there is a reasonable contingent that wants to see it iterated on. I hope that, with the focus on development shifted back to EVE, CCP will be able to continue to appeal to the FiS people while continuing to improve on the Incarna experience for those players that are interested in it. As long as the future developments to Incarna are in line with the general ethos of EVE, I'm all for seeing something interesting come out of it. It'd be good to get an idea of whether or not WiS is completely on halt, or simply working with a reduced staff. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43574&find=unread Support the thread! Why another thread? This one is approaching 100 pages of asking for clarification. Support this thread! Issler Because that's where you should be posting if you want to be heard. CCP only responds to threads in GD under very specific circumstances and answering inflammatory questions that have already been answered is not one of those circumstances no matter how much you insist otherwise. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 02:53:00 - [21] - Quote Beaches wrote: Taiwanistan wrote: it's 2012 and you are still butt hurt about those pranks? It's 2012 and this game company can't manage to put two avatars in a room. I humbly suggest that you check out Planet Calypso (which is F2P) so you can see what the limitations of multi-avatar gaming involves using the very latest in available licensable technology What CCP had in mind was very ambitious, but cannot be achieved using present tech. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 03:03:00 - [22] - Quote Beaches wrote: Doc Fury wrote: I humbly suggest that you check out Planet Calypso (which is F2P) so you can see what the limitations of multi-avatar gaming involves using the very latest in available licensable technology What CCP had in mind was very ambitious, but cannot be achieved using present tech. That game actually is somewhat intriguing from the 20 seconds I've looked at it. Thanks It's fun for about a week, then you have to get out your wallet. Then you (probably) figure out no matter how much you spend, there you are. That, and the WIS (full body avatar) part of the game revolves mostly around emoting when you are not "playing". The avatar graphics also suck, but you can purchase sunglasses and vanity items to offset that . The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 04:34:00 - [23] - Quote Baby ChuChu wrote: Mistrala DeLegra wrote: Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together! On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around? Try the undock button (bottom left) .. USE IT! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 05:04:00 - [24] - Quote Mistrala DeLegra wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Baby ChuChu wrote: Mistrala DeLegra wrote: Yes plase CCP finish what you started and set us free from this prison cell you call CQ, open the door and give us public space's!!!!! AMEN!! They don't even have to be terribly elaborate either. Just give us something where our avatars can all frolic together! On a scale of "Aww, how sad." to "Wtf", how weird is it that I sit in my CQ doing nothing constantly wishing there were other people around? Try the undock button (bottom left) .. USE IT! Try the "Log off" button...... ESC> LOG OFF!....use it :) I''m not the one whining for attention, so you go first. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 14:55:00 - [25] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster? Not before fanfest, so by all means start orchestrating your "PR disaster" now. Might I suggest you begin your campaign by unsubbing? I bet if the whole dozen or so of you that are demanding answers to questions already answered did that, it would send a clear message to CCP that you really mean business. Otherwise I would direct you to the CSM, and the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.02 20:11:00 - [26] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Will CCP talk to us before this issue escalates into yet another PR disaster? Not before fanfest, so by all means start orchestrating your "PR disaster" now. Might I suggest you begin your campaign by unsubbing? I bet if the whole dozen or so of you that are demanding answers to questions already answered did that, it would send a clear message to CCP that you really mean business. Otherwise I would direct you to the CSM, and the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. if this thread don,t deliver some extra info why would the CSM and some idea subforum do deliver The CSM has as always no use in this matter We want info from CCP ,not from some CCP-internetpuppets Well, CCP isn't going to answer feature discussion questions here in EVE GD, and there is a thread that you are well aware of in the CSM area where you all received an answer about WIS development from a CSM representative. But, by all means continue beating this corpse and demanding answers to questions already answered. If you are so impatient you can't wait until fanfest for new information, I am sure you can find the unsubscribe button. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.04 02:04:00 - [27] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Kelsi Corynn wrote: I'm sure CCP will clarify their WIS plans in due time. But it'll be a while, because it's currently on the backburner. Anybody wanna take bets that they are actually still working on WiS and just keeping it a secret so the little whiny bitches will shut the **** up about it? I have no doubt that some work is still being continued on WIS, but no one is going to get any answers until fanfest at the soonest, no matter how many pages this thread reaches, or how much crying, hand-wringing, philosophizing, and bleating for answers occurs here. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.06 00:50:00 - [28] - Quote Flamespar wrote: There are so many good ideas on how Incarna can be utilised (war room ftw). I really wish CCP would stop ignoring us and actually engage with us, to make Incarna an amazing experience. CCP gave you all an answer, you just don't like what you got. Fair enough, but to keep droning-on and on about it is just going to push any dialog you will get from them out even further. Maybe if you guys started posting in the relevant forum area CCP would take you more seriously and you could also avoid being trolled? All I see here are some ideas of what could be (good bad or otherwise), and some pie-in-the-sky expectations, mixed between a lot of crying and foot-stamping that CCP is ignoring you. Maybe if you used the tools at your disposal instead of crying like 10 year olds that you want your candy (answers) now, you'd get some results? If you are sick of waiting, you should do what other players did when they got sick of CCP mostly abandoning EVE core game features. But lets also be realistic here. How many players do you think you can rally, and what trade publications or media do you think will lend you any press? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.07 13:02:00 - [29] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Come on CCP, I know a lot of you from my stint in the CSM.. We deserve some clarification. Just let us know you aren't cowering in a corner after the lame FiS only statue shooter protests. We WiS folks don't roll that way. We will forum and hope you find your way again, and we'll leave on our own terms, not as a block. Just silently part of your decline because after a thread like this without ever a simple response you tell us "f-you, go away!" Your stupid believe in our promise of ambulation means you can never be part of our 0.0 giant alliance end game focus makes you useless. CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to. Do I have to be a wood elf bard again?????? Issler Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: No, they have not answered in OUR thread, in OUR terms. Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic. LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious). A handful of players stamping their feet, making threats, telling CCP what they must do, while acting like children will never convince them to give you any attention. If you cannot wait until March when players and CCP are face to face then you should definitely HTFU, GTFO and GBTW, a game much more suited for children. Seriously, just listen to yourselves. Don't threaten to quit, JUST DO IT ALREADY! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.07 15:02:00 - [30] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Doc Fury wrote: LOL, don't let the door in your Captain's closet hit you two in the ass on your way out. CCP already answered you here, in this very thread. I guess you missed it, because you can't see through your tears (which are delicious). What does make you think that you know this thread better than I? Do you seriously think i may have missed the blue tag left on this thread when CCP Phantom moderated it on October 27th, as can be seen in page 12, post #225? Because you still think you can dictate terms to CCP, by claiming they didn't answer you, when they did. You are either an idiot, or just acting like a baby hoping CCP will come and stick a pacifier in your mouth. In either case you should just leave if the answers you have already received are not sufficient. case in point: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Whatever they have to say, they must say it here, clearly. We've been after this thread for over two months and sitll nobody CCP has come to comment on topic. They've already said it clearly, they have no plans. When they do have plans they will tell us. Bitching every day in this thread that you are being ignored is not going to magically create a workable gameplan. If you have suggestions for CCP there is a forum area specifically for contributing and a thread already exists there. All you are doing here is proving to everyone you know how to act like a child when you don't get something you want. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.07 21:42:00 - [31] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Alpheias wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: CCP, tell me WiS is dead!, I will unsub my seven accounts, kill my corp and alliance and find another game to give you $600 a month to. Do I have to be a wood elf bard again?????? Back in the day, they treated hysterical women with electricity, but that seems to be the least of your personal problems if you are paying CCP $600 a month for your seven accounts though I am sure they won't mind. And yes, be a wood elf again. The dollar figure includes other players that would leave with me as well. Issler DO IT!!! PLEASE GBTW!! That would teach mean ol' CCP that you mean serious business. Wait, weren't you threatening to alert the media too? What happened to that? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.08 00:11:00 - [32] - Quote Kuronaga wrote: To you guys, it doesn't matter, because all "on the backburner" means to you is that you're getting resources where you want them. Great, that's nice and we're all happy for you. But that's not relevant to us. We just want a clear indication of where things are headed since we've already waited years for this stuff to happen. EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time. Sound familiar? You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you. Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.08 01:51:00 - [33] - Quote Kuronaga wrote: I don't want a surprise. When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught, they don't want a surprise either. If they were going to surprise us it would have been five years ago. I want the content I've been waiting for and supporting. If that isn't going to be a reality, I would like them to just flatout say it and not play the "let's hide behind buzzwords and phrases" PR game. So, when you say "fanbase", you are referring to the handful of people posting over and over again in this thread demanding answers? The relevant thread in the CSM area and the "what 3 things do you want to see in the next expansion thread" is more representative of the actual WIS "fanbase". Also, a threadnaught occurs within days and not over 2.5 months, and involves a majority of like minded players. In this thread, we have 100 pages where the majority of the posters are telling the pro-WIS people to step off, and the few who have a reasonable agenda are pitching "do this" feature ideas in the wrong forum area. Again, my tiny violin, let me play it for you. If you and others are that pissed off, why are you all still paying and posting here when you already know CCP is not going to concede to what might at best work out to be less than half a percent of the players? I wanted the FIS content I was paying for that CCP had built up and promised for the last 4+ years in their TV ads, trailers and marketing materials, but instead we got half baked expansions because their efforts were divided elsewhere. Ultimately all they could show us for all that WASTED Dev time, cash and effort was a closet with a door we could not open and a new graphics engine designed primarily for their now-defunct emo vampire MMO and whatever other "games" they wanted to gamble on making. CCP is struggling and very focused right now to save their collective asses, and you are oblivious to that because you don't seem to realize where their revenue comes from TODAY. I've never seen a TV commercial promoting WIS content. Have you? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.08 14:57:00 - [34] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time. Sound familiar? You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you. Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it? 2011.12.09 20:24 is when you first posted in these forums. You've been in a NPC corp for almost 5 years and most likely have very little standing built up with NPC Agents, Factions and Corps. Probably have just enough skills trained up to scout and light a cyno. This tells me that someone has brought you here in an attempt to bolster and give credence to all Anti-WiS posted replies. Obviously this type of facade is being done by a few different players. Since you're almost 5 years old, you know damn well that WiS and WoD have not been taking all of the Dev Resources for +4 years. That's gotta be the biggest nonfactual statement that I've seen yet in this thread. Also grouping WiS and WoD together shows a complete lack of information on your part. Players have been asking CCP to fix and finish game content ever since Beta. Players have also been asking for WiS ever since Ambulation was revealed. Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in gasp mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and more broken, unfinished content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology. I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life. You also need to train reading comprehension to at least level 3, because I never said ALL Dev resources were diverted to WIS and WOD. I said EVE core gameplay was starved, and because of that we got half-baked unfinished expansions and unpatched bugs were left to languish. Also, WIS (incarna) and the underlying tech (Carbon) developed for WIS are very much tied to WOD, CCP built it as a foundation for WOD and we are its beta testers who pay for that privilege. It seems you being incredulous here, or maybe you just don't have a clue what you are talking about. I suspect both are true. But hey, nice try at an ad hominem attack, I guess you have run out of real arguments why CCP should waste time responding to you again here after they already have. I think you need another layer of tinfoil for your hat. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.08 19:59:00 - [35] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in gasp mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and more broken, unfinished content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology. I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life. I lolled. 1) CCP offers every unsubbed account a reactivation offer after x amount of months. I've received many in between taking breaks from Eve and never threatened to rage quit over an expansion. 2) CCP didn't force a MT cash shop or broken content down your throat. They gave you outfits via breaking down plex and the foundations for WiS (I saw plenty of blogs and posts on what they were and still are planning for WiS, but I never saw a single dev blog saying Incarna will be 100% finished in 1 expansion). But whatever helps keep your justification for extortion/blackmail afloat sugar. 3) The old forums are rife with Testies and Goons cough Mittens cough threatening to rage quit and demanded CCP focus on space boats and doing things their way... or else. Then again, as a CSM member with the odd 6k members and 4k pets supporting your policies or they risk facing das boot, it's not hard to see why the CSM advocated the changes they did. Glad I could amuse you, miss 2008 player. 1) Of course, I was not saying they were just begging me to return. I have received many "please come back" offers in the past as well, the timing was pretty hilarious because I got my latest round almost immediately after Hilmar's "apology" letter. I also did not rage quit, I voted with my wallet when my sub(s) expired because CCP no longer provided me with a level of service I found to be worth what I was spending after 4 years of waiting for an improvement to their haphazard half-finished releases because they were not allocating sufficient Dev resources to EVE's core gameplay. I recommend that anyone who is similarly dissatisfied consider unsubbing as an option other than crying, foot-stamping and making demands in the forums. Sometimes this is the only way to drive a point home to an organization that is not providing goods or services of acceptable or advertised quality. 2) We were always told WIS would be optional, and yet we were forced into an :awesome: unpolished/unfinished CQ. Only after numerous players complaining about overheating and overtaxed computers did they make good on making it optional, but in my case I was already gone. In RE: to the cash shop, no, we were not "forced" into that as implied by my post, but it was definitely an unwanted and unnecessary waste of dev resources and a thinly veiled cash-grab by a desperate company that had overextended its resources. The NeX failed miserably and is still (IMHO) a tremendous waste of Dev resources unless they start listening to what the players want vs. what some beancounters and marketing people want.. As far as your blackmail/extortion bit, you must have me confused with someone else, or you feel superior in some way and need to stroke your own ego. 3) I am not a goon or a "testie", never have been, nor do I associate with basement dwelling neckbeards as you are implying. Nice try at that ad hominem though, it seems to be all that's left in the pro-WIS arsenal these days. +1 for not crying about not getting an answer in your post or bitching that CCP is ignoring you. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.09 05:22:00 - [36] - Quote Kuronaga wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Flamespar wrote: and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely. If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune. How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and complete the features they only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund WIS/WOD and DUST? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.09 05:29:00 - [37] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Kuronaga wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Flamespar wrote: and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are. Why does CCP owe you this information? Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely. If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune. How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and finish the features thay only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund Incarna/WOD and DUST? It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS. They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.09 05:42:00 - [38] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Doc Fury wrote: They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations. What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks. I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification. I'm not threatened at all, but you are demanding answers on a timeline that CCP cannot support. FIS people demanded answers for years, and all we ever we got was "hey we are :awesome:" and :excellence:. You are pissed because they haven't said anything you want to hear for 2 months. If you want answers buy a ticket to fanfest and you can literally get in CCP's face and demand them. Have no doubt that they are preparing for that and will be saying something at that time. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.09 05:49:00 - [39] - Quote Kuronaga wrote: You've had half-finished and sometimes broken features for years. We've had no features for years. I am failing to see how you guys got the raw end of the stick. If you signed-on to play EVE specifically for WIS before it was done and working, all I can say is caveat emptor. You shafted yourself. WIS still isn't a feature, so your "we had no features for years" argument is non-sequitur. / I got to use latin in context twice! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.09 19:32:00 - [40] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: lots of rambling stuff 2006, I stand corrected, you too got to experience the awe that was RMR then. You have me confused with someone else if the rest of your opus is directed at me. You are making a lot of assumptions about stuff I never said and don't believe. I think WIS could be beneficial if CCP could just figure out how to do it correctly and they learn how to manage expectations a LOT better. That is, as long as EVE core gameplay does not suffer as it has for several years. Crucible so far is demonstrating that CCP can fix the little things when they want to and they are allowed to focus on FIS as they should be doing. After all, it's their cash cow that lets them gamble on making other projects and jesus features intended to pull in chicks and kiddies. If it was not directed at me, CSB, and don't trip over your long rubbery one. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.10 22:16:00 - [41] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: Rek Seven wrote: Scatim Helicon wrote: The problem is we've seen little intent from CCP to provide 'gameplay' for WiS for some time. Perhaps in 2006 there was some talk of it, but the whole project was then sidetracked into a avatar dressing micro-transaction platform which serves mostly to fry graphics cards and beta a graphics engine for the now all but shelved White Wolf game. The reason you're not hearing anything about future plans now or for some time is that the plans for the last couple of years can be summed up by "sell monocles and boots to players with too much rl money" and "test the WoD engine" and both those things have now been punted way over the horizon. If CCP are going to ever touch it again, they have to start the whole concept virtually from step one, and that's without even considering that they'd also need to fix the now obvious shortcomings of the Carbon engine before they got anything in a playable state, OR that (as I understand it) a large proportion of the recent 20% cuts came from the people who had been working on WiS. I agree with you. However, i don't think CCP would need to redesign the concept, they would just need to go back to their original plans before some idiot decided to try and sell us $70 monolces How much of an 'original plan' was ever made before it got shunted into NeX and Carbon, though? Sure, there was some vague handwaving about Going Under The Radar to do Secret Walking Around Things. How much of that actually got planned beyond the vague handwaving? Building carbon was always their plan, they cannot build WOD without it. As for the rest of their plans for "ambulation" I'd bet it is up on the same whiteboard as CCP's mythical infiniband upgrade. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.10 22:21:00 - [42] - Quote Xuko Nuki wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Building carbon was always their plan, they cannot build WOD without it. As for the rest of their plans for "ambulation" I'd bet it is up on the same whiteboard as CCP's mythical infiniband upgrade. Youtube, ambulation. And I will raise you a Atmospheric Flight: The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:30:00 - [43] - Quote Xuko Nuki wrote: After 120 pages asking for clarification on the future of WiS you respond with that? Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote: Sometimes, when i read responses like this from CCP staff, i ask myself... why do i give my money to CCP? Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: but please...get us more info on the future plans of WiS if possible. Maybe he is trolling you guys. Or, maybe like they have already stated there is no information, because there really aren't any concrete plans they can share yet. Maybe they know anything they say here that isn't in-line with what you guys want to hear is going to be creatively re-interpreted and misconstrued ad-nauseam and twisted around to appear that CCP does not care about you. Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Not to mention that some of us have been scattering suggestions all over this thread & other ones. That's exactly the problem, there is a specific forum area for doing that, and for some reason you and others incorrectly think EVE GD is the correct place. Scattering suggestions all over the place isn't helping you or CCP. If you or anyone else wants things to remain on topic for making WIS feature suggestions, try keeping it all in one thread in the correct forum area. By posting the same stuff here in GD over and over, you are just begging to get trolled over and over. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.11 20:11:00 - [44] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: If CCP responded earlier in this thread and with an ontopic reply ,instead RABBLING nontopic stuff They did answer you earlier on in this thread, it's several pages in, and has been linked to several times. We all know you don't like the answer because it says they don't know what they are going to do and don't know what the plan is yet. You just don't seem to get it that it might take more than 2 months to come up with something worth talking about that won't get CCP flamed. oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: The discussion about WIS and suggestions never existed in this thread. This thread is full of players including the OP switching from demanding answers to calling it a feature discussion. As was already admitted, there are pages and pages of feature suggestions, "sprinkled" throughout. Try to justify this abomination of a troll-bait thread however you wish, it won't change anything other than the level of amusement you are providing others at your own expense and dignity (assuming you have any). The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.11 21:12:00 - [45] - Quote Sicex wrote: Does this mean that after 123 pages and finally receiving a plain answer from CCP in response to the OP this threadnaught can be locked? One would hope so, but since this latest answer is no different from the original one, I think there are probably still those who will continue to demand another answer anyway. If the OP requests it, via "report post" it can be locked or moved however. /in before all the ragequit poasts. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.12 06:16:00 - [46] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: irrelevant stuff. This thread was never really about showing support it was about demanding immediate answers from CCP.. The thread title was even changed by the OP recently when it was pointed out repeatedly that CCP already answered the question. The minute this thread was posted in GD, it was fair game for everybody. Had you read any of my earlier posts you would know I am not anti-WIS but I am definitely against pro-WIS players whining repeatedly for answers when they have already been provided. If anything, I have tried to get you to post in the appropriate forum areas where you would not get trolled. Sometimes someone has to be the messenger when common sense is being clouded by hysteria. CCP promises a lot of stuff. Sometimes they make good on their promises, sometimes they don't because they often try to do things that are not possible within a time-frame that meets general player expectations. If you have been playing for more than a couple of years, you probably already knew this. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.12 17:49:00 - [47] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: So if we had posted in those forums ,we had a reply from CCP within 1 day,1 week ,1 month or never? That's completely up to CCP and you know it. It also depends on what you are posting. Honey catches more flies then vinegar obviously. Crying and stamping your feet and making threats as a mob would discourage anyone in authority from trying to make appeasement. This applies to both sides of this issue. oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: So tell me what is allowed to be discussed in general discussion according to somebody who thinks ,he has common sense When you want to suggest features with the intention of CCP seeing and possibly acting on them, that's exactly why they setup a Feature and Ideas forum area so they don't have to try to pick though posts sprinkled through various threads. When you want to complain about being ignored by CCP or similar, and you don't want to get trolled/flamed and etc, it's best if you take that to the CSM in the forum specifically setup for that purpose. While you might think the CSM is pointless or that they have a differing agenda than you, if you don't use the avenues CCP provides for player feedback and representation, you are just derailing the process and leaving everything up to the CSM without them hearing and/or addressing your feedback. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.13 22:59:00 - [48] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Being solo sucks. Being causal sucks. Being in hisec sucks. WiS is not in the plans. Sucks for you maybe. That's the problem with an entitlement mentality. You are so engrossed with what you want and expect, you forget other people might be satisfied even though you are convinced you are somehow in the "majority". Take a break, and play something else. You don't have to wait until your sub(s) expire to do it. FFS, some of you act like EVE is the only thing going on in your life, and if so.....damn. Glad to see I wasn't wrong about people still bitching that the answers they got (3x now) were insufficient and are going to continue to complain they are still being ignored. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.14 13:50:00 - [49] - Quote Xuko Nuki wrote: Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. ^^citation needed. Xuko Nuki wrote: Occupy FiS protesters LOL, so you are saying that the people who protested in jita and other trade hubs after Incarna were doing so because of a corrupt financial industry and income inequality in EVE? Really? Or more likely you are just using that term inappropriately because you think it has a negative connotation. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.14 13:59:00 - [50] - Quote Xuko Nuki wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Xuko Nuki wrote: Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. ^^citation needed. I don't think you know how those work. So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.14 14:21:00 - [51] - Quote Xuko Nuki wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Xuko Nuki wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Xuko Nuki wrote: Lot's of people have quit over WiS in the 6 or so years since it was promised because of delays, perceived lies, or the idea that it was just a gimmick to keep people subscribed and waiting. ^^citation needed. I don't think you know how those work. So how's this? Where is your evidence? Cite some evidence to back up your assertion. How about some from say 3 years ago, which is in the middle of your "6 or so years" timeline? Playing a little gumshoe undergrad or something? What the ** are you even talking about. You are telling us that over the last 6 years lots of people (players) have been quitting over WIS not being delivered and/or because CCP lied about it to retain subs. I am asking you where exactly you got your information. In addition, since you seem to think CCP has been promising WIS (ambulation) for 6 or so years, I asked for evidence from at least 3 years ago (2008-2009) where players were quitting because CCP has failed to deliver on it or because CCP lied all along about their intentions. Please link directly to your evidence*, and not the first page of a 50+ page thread where no such quitting is occurring. I can probably find some smaller words to use if you are still having difficulties. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'*
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.16 03:45:00 - [52] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Another CCP developer (I can't remember who) said earlier on in this thread that they are interested in hearing what players might want to use WiS for, I agree that doing a formal process (a survey? crowd sourcing?) could also be a great step. If only there were a place in these forums where players could propose Features and Ideas to CCP regarding how things could be improved. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.17 17:45:00 - [53] - Quote How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.17 17:55:00 - [54] - Quote Beaches wrote: Doc Fury wrote: How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I? Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on. Your fascination and fixation on my posting is quite telling, but by all means don't let me make you miss your cartoons. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.17 18:01:00 - [55] - Quote Beaches wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Beaches wrote: Doc Fury wrote: How about moving this thread to Features and Ideas Discussion, and replacing it with a sticky here in GD directing interested players over to F&I? Don't mind him he's just an over eager forum posting try-hard who hasn't gotten enough attention yet today. Hi Doc Fury your ideas about how the mods should do their job are both edgy and insightful. Now go run along, it's almost the top of the hour and new cartoons are coming on. Your fascination and fixation on my posting is quite telling, but by all means don't let me make you miss your cartoons. Don't use big words you don't understand, also echoing my suggestion to you is lazy and stupid. Then please explain it to me 11-day old shiptoasting alt? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:55:00 - [56] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Can't wait for the days when I don't have to undock at all to make a living. You mean exactly like I already do with this toon and the appropriate skills? Doc has not undocked in years. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:56:00 - [57] - Quote Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote: EVE didn't have proper FIS expansion for years now. And you can see where that lead. Fixed that for you. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.01.26 16:51:00 - [58] - Quote I think people who expect deliverables for WIS that meet their expectations happening in the next year have sand in their heads. If you really think 4 devs and a single QA guy can build and deliver on the stuff you are all expecting, I hate to be the one who pees in your cornflakes, but this is CCP folks. Over-promise and underdeliver is their company mantra. They only scramble when their asses are on the line. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.10 18:02:00 - [59] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: wow 144 pages and still going lol It would probably carry more weight and be much more significant if it wasn't the same half-dozen or so players posting over and over again in this thread speculating, whining and postulating. But hey, for all the effort they got a 4 man Dev team and a solitary QA guy "commitment" , and some lip service saying CCP will do something with WIS, someday. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.10 20:17:00 - [60] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: Stuff Carbon has absolutely nothing to do with Dust. It's for PC based games and is the foundation for WOD, which was beta tested by EVE players. EVE is Carbon's proving ground for building other PC based games like WOD. Graphic backgrounds when properly created can be recycled for multiple gaming platforms. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.10 20:20:00 - [61] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: arcca jeth wrote: wow 144 pages and still going lol It would probably carry more weight and be much more significant if it wasn't the same half-dozen or so players posting over and over again in this thread speculating, whining and postulating. But hey, for all the effort they got a 4 man Dev team and a solitary QA guy "commitment" , and some lip service saying CCP will do something with WIS, someday. Seems there's a few die hard Anti-WiS players still trolling this thread even after CCP responded and verified WiS is here to stay and will be further developed with game play content. Yes, there's a small team of some very excellent CCP Dev's working on WiS. As with all things, it'll take some time. What's ironic is seeing you post that reply considering you've done a lot of speculating, whining and postulating in this thread about WiS killing Eve. Obviously some people just won't graciously concede. I've done no such thing, you have me confused with someone else. I'm one of those players who could care less about WIS as long as FIS does not suffer for it. Please try to keep up. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.10 21:03:00 - [62] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: No, I don't have you confused with anyone else and Yes you have done a lot of Anti-Wis posturing while speculating on it's future along with whining how it's destroying Eve. If you really didn't care you wouldn't be here trolling this thread. Plain and simple. By the way, don't even bother saying that you're here to remind CCP to continue concentrating on FiS content. I'm here "trolling" idiots like you that think you are gonna get 1/10 of what you expect from WIS in the next year and feel smug/justified that whining got you some lip service, 4 token Devs and a QA guy who are working on "something". If pointing out the truth that taking 18-months away from FIS development, spending 4+ years building and then delivering a ham-fisted cash shop and a Captain's Closet was bad for the game (via subscriptions) in general makes me anti-WIS than I am guilty as charged. I'll state it again: No WIS at the expense of FIS. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.10 22:06:00 - [63] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Stuff You sure just spent a lot of words turning what I actually said into stuff you think, and want to believe I said. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.10 22:43:00 - [64] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Stuff You sure just spent a lot of words turning what I actually said into stuff you think, and want to believe I said. lol, and that's the best rebuttal you can come up with? +1 for trying. It wasn't a rebuttal, it was pointing out that you lack reading comprehension skills and you think I am saying what you want to believe. You can have your +1 back, you need it more than me. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 19:03:00 - [65] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: Wacktopia wrote: Hikaru Kuroda wrote: I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE. I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store? Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely? No way! EVE realy needs WoD tech and WiS! There is no WoD tech, it was built using Carbon which was built for EVE first so other games could be derived from it. Edit: Glad to see CCP Punky stick her head in here and dispel yet another myth. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 19:22:00 - [66] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Taiwanistan wrote: Stuff My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 19:39:00 - [67] - Quote Hikaru Kuroda wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Elanor Vega wrote: Wacktopia wrote: Hikaru Kuroda wrote: I think Incarna will not be fully deployed until WoD do first, because they're using the same code, engine, textures, models, etc. The best part of this, is that the development of the EVE team will benefit from the WoD team. It's for sure we will be getting a fully fitted Incarna sooner or later, but I am convinced that time has more to do with WoD than with EVE. I also realized for several months that there are many clothes in Singularity which are ready for implementation in Tranquility. Why they're delaying it so much? Could this be because CCP are thinking a way to remove the NeX Store? Oh, and still waiting the Team Avatar dev blog. Didn't they junk WoD entirely? No way! EVE realy needs WoD tech and WiS! There is no WoD tech, it was built using Carbon which was built for EVE first so other games could be derived from it. I thought EVE Online was built on Trinity engine for spaceships gameplay, and when they planned to create WoD, they decided to use the same engine (Carbon) for the two games. Note that they started to work officially with Incarna at the end of 2010, while for WoD they started from 2009 onwards. I think that EVE has received something of the nearly two years of development effort in WoD, and not the other way. Nope: http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/technology and: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=788 The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 20:16:00 - [68] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: Taiwanistan wrote: Stuff My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Citation needed. Please show us these "facts" you claim to be in possession of. My first hand real life experience and the support in this thread. No citation needed. How about for once one of you fail puppy ambulation detractors show your evidence that folks haven't chosen to leave Eve because they couldn't have an avatar experience. Or better yet explain why so many other MMO games have higher subscription levels? Is it because folks don't like space? Not easy to prove given the popularity of franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars. So how about you prove your point for a change because all you ever offer is "is not!!!" while stomping your feet. Issler I did not assert anything, you did. I simply asked for your evidence. I don't have anything to prove because I did not make a baseless assertion under the guise of "facts" like you just did. Your "first hand real life experience" is not facts. You said you had "actual facts". I'd like to see these otherwise you are just making stuff up and trying to evade that you don't have any facts you can back up with evidence. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 20:52:00 - [69] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: My real life experiences most definitely are "facts". You can choose to claim I'm lying but I'd ask you for your proof that I am. All of my team played Eve as part of our ongoing testing of current games against our unreleased technologies. The majority of our team could be described as serious gamers. They all play MMOs actively. I was the only one on the team that continued to play Eve. Everyone else moved onto other games. The same for RL friends and family. This is a sample size of over 50 people. In every case the lack of an avatar experience was one of the complaints about Eve. So how about you offer an argument with more substance than "is not!!!!" because all you are doing is looking like yet another ambulation hater and bumping a thread that continues to bring attention to a feature you oppose. Issler Where am I making an argument in my post exactly. I simply asked you for your facts & evidence that backs it up which you have still yet to provide. Where did I say in my post I oppose WIS? (Because I don't actually.) Where exactly did I say "is not!!". You have now attempted to turn my simple request around into me trying to take some kind of a position to deflect from the issue at hand. I could care less about bumping your thread because if anything it only brings attention to how rabidly single-minded some of you are and that you specifically have an acute inability to back-up your assertions with facts and evidence other than "I said so, so it's true, prove me wrong." The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 22:02:00 - [70] - Quote Elessa Enaka wrote: Your logic is flawed. People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times. How's this? Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE ~~subscribers~~ accounts only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual accounts. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 22:11:00 - [71] - Quote Elessa Enaka wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Elessa Enaka wrote: Your logic is flawed. People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times. How's this? Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual subscribers. If you need me to explain a simple sentence to you, I think you have much larger problems that need attended to. I didn't ask you to explain anything, you lack reading/sentence comprehension. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 22:24:00 - [72] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Elessa Enaka wrote: Your logic is flawed. People can only "like" a post once, but they can "view" a thread many, many, many times. How's this? Out of 300,000 (or so) EVE subscribers only 187 "liked" the OP. That would actually make it those "likes" statistically irrelevant. Do you happen to have a way to put a better spin on the numbers he provided? Regardless, 187 players or even a focus group of 50 people critiquing EVE in some non-scientific "test" is statistically irrelevant against the number of actual subscribers. lol, man are you wrong, considering that at least 1/2 of those subscribed accounts are alts. Also a generous number is maybe about 1/6th of the subscribed player base actually bothers with the forums. So basically my original statement still stands, those stats mean nothing and are not relevant to this topic. I completely agree, those numbers mean nothing, that's what statistically irrelevant means. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 22:42:00 - [73] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: I completely agree, those numbers mean nothing, that's what statistically irrelevant means. Ahhh, then you agree that this post is incorrect and those stats mean nothing: Cearain wrote: Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011. In that time this thread has had: 2,981 replies, 71,804 views but only 187 likes for your original post. I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships. I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it. Yes. While the actual numbers used may be correct, the conclusion is statistically irrelevant for reasons you already mentioned, plus the fact that a single player with multiple accounts can "like" a post multiple times making an important facet of the data completely unreliable. "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 22:48:00 - [74] - Quote stupid forums The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.16 23:00:00 - [75] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: This thread passed 3000. post... Brought to you by the same dozen players who post here! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.17 04:09:00 - [76] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you believe to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.17 04:54:00 - [77] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you believe to be true. How about me? When I started playing EvE, I thought it was a lovely game, but I never stuck around (because there's only so much that's entertaining about floating in an asteroid field). Then I heard that we were getting Ambulation, and my desire to play was increased a hundred-fold. Now, after the Incarna debacle and Monoclegate, my enthusiasm has dulled a bit. I'm not leaving -- not by a long shot -- but the idea of Ambulation was what brought me back and convinced me to stay. Without that promise of 'freedom' from the pod, I may not have come back. Issler's argument is: "folks [are] not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way" You ARE playing EVE, so your argument is non-sequitur, and a poor attempt at white-knighting for Issler. If you only re-subbed because you thought CCP was going to deliver on "ambulation" and compelling, meaningful content for it any time soon, I hope you brought your own Vaseline. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.17 05:14:00 - [78] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you believe to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild. I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money.... Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve.... So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers?? Issler Still waiting to see those facts you claim to have.. Your attempts to distract from that via irrelevant chest-beating notwithstanding. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.17 06:26:00 - [79] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you believe to be true. I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around. But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild. I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money.... Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve.... So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers?? Issler Still waiting to see those facts you claim to have.. Your attempts to distract from that via irrelevant chest-beating notwithstanding. What it must be like in your head..... Nice try to distract again, but where are those facts of yours? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.17 16:44:00 - [80] - Quote Astrid Stjerna wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Issler's argument is: "folks [are] not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way" You ARE playing EVE, so your argument is non-sequitur, and a poor attempt at white-knighting for Issler. If you only re-subbed because you thought CCP was going to deliver on "ambulation" and compelling, meaningful content for it any time soon, I hope you brought your own Vaseline. And you are deflecting a valid argument, as well as not paying attention to the whole of my post. I played Wing Commander: Privateer, years and years ago. It allowed the pilot to get out of his ship, but again -- it was an empty experience, because the 'stations' you could visit were nothing more than a glorified menu screen and the other people were computer programs, devoid of any real personality. Still -- it drew me in, because it was more than just a 'flight sim'. And I want EvE to be mroe than just a flight sim. Ambulation offered that potential, and still does. EvE won me back because of what it could be, and I'm glad CCP was (however briefly) on the same wavelength. Cool story bro, but you are playing EVE and the argument is that people are not playing because of teh lack of avatar-based gameplay. Glad you found something to do that interests you enough to pay a sub. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.18 01:17:00 - [81] - Quote You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?! You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game. LOL, and GBTW. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.18 02:02:00 - [82] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?! You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game. LOL, and GBTW. Typical response. Guess you don't understand what I posted since it doesn't pertain to FiS and spaceship content. No I understand it completely, you want combat PVP in WIS to be consensual or arena based like a PVP flag in WOW which is not how EVE works. The only place you should ever be safe is in your captain's closet unless you invite someone in who decides to off you. Even if you tried to make in-station PVP some complicated skill or career based mechanic, CCP still can't even get the bounty hunter profession sussed-out after years of players begging them to do it. You guys keep talking about WIS bringing-in and retaining new players for the "EVE experience" and honestly the only way that is going to work and retain subs is to have captivating, exciting and compelling content. That basically is going to boil-down to FPS and associated "missions" in stations. I don't really think too many players are going to want to pay $15/mo just to hang out with neckbeards who rolled a female Toon so they could dress it up in pink space pants just to hang out in a space bar/casino. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.18 02:42:00 - [83] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that. How is that not FPS? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.18 03:01:00 - [84] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Nova Fox wrote: Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that. How is that not FPS? Dues Ex is an adventure game where shooting your way though is seemingly that much harder than 'gentler' methoods. Just because something is termed an FPS does not necessarily mean you have to shoot all the time, and there's nothing wrong with that. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.18 03:36:00 - [85] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: CCP has already stated that WiS is here to stay. You keep parroting that over and over like I am making an argument otherwise. You know what else is here to stay that languishes unfinished just like WIS? Factional Warfare. If you want the so-called "anti-WIS" people to get on board with you, you can't be pushing an agenda that makes WIS anything like WOW or where you are 100% safe via consent-only PVP. CCP also needs to lead and not follow what other games are doing if they are to create a compelling expansion to EVE that has the staying-power and longevity that FIS has enjoyed. To be successful, you are also going to have to make WIS attractive enough where a lot of existing EVE players want to participate. In EVE, a noob can kill (or beat) a vet. If you impose a skill-tree grind in WIS to be able to do that, you just discouraged the players you claim to want to attract and are asking CCP to abandon CCP's core gaming philosophy with EVE, non-consensual PVP The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.18 04:59:00 - [86] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: if WiS has non-consensual PvP everywhere, very few players will participate in that type of content. That's guaranteed. Citation needed. Show me the data that guarantees this outcome please. "Non-consensual PVP everywhere" is exactly how EVE works now and yet here we are, new players subscribe all the time, and existing ones re-sub. CCP has enjoyed having one of the longest-lived successful MMOs in gaming history, and overall has an increasing subscription base. As long as they don't try to bite off more than they can chew again, odds are, they will continue to do so. I am starting to think you got ganked at some point, are bitter because of it, and see an opportunity to try to impose you own desired safety-based play-style on WIS. CCP has already stated EVE is a PVP game. /see what I did there? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.18 05:40:00 - [87] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: if WiS has non-consensual PvP everywhere, very few players will participate in that type of content. That's guaranteed. Citation needed. Show me the data that guarantees this outcome please. "Non-consensual PVP everywhere" is exactly how EVE works now and yet here we are, new players subscribe all the time, and existing ones re-sub. CCP has enjoyed having one of the longest-lived successful MMOs in gaming history, and overall has an increasing subscription base. As long as they don't try to bite off more than they can chew again, odds are, they will continue to do so. I am starting to think you got ganked at some point, are bitter because of it, and see an opportunity to try to impose you own desired safety-based play-style on WIS. CCP has already stated EVE is a PVP game. /see what I did there? And yet contrary to your viewpoint of how this game is meant to be played, low sec remains pretty much uninhabited with a small amount of the player base located in null sec while the majority of players remain in high sec. That fact alone proves that the majority of players in this game are not here for non-consensual PvP. Thanks again for proving how you still don't understand my proposal, especially since I never advocated for WiS to be completely 100% safe. I'm beginning to think you use in-game grief play and forum trolling to compensate for your inept social ability's. Sure, attack the messenger when you have no valid counter argument. That's how you win people over to your point of view. FYI, EVE being a PVP game is not my viewpoint, it's CCP's. So, where's your data to support your prior claim that GUARANTEES very few players will participate in non-consensual PVP content? You conveniently left that info out of your latest opus and personal attack on me. Edit: Highsec while vastly inhabited is also subject to non-consensual PVP, just as CCP intended. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.23 15:40:00 - [88] - Quote CCP RedDawn wrote: New WiS dev blog is out and can be found here: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3430 tl;dr CCP will be doing something with WIS someday. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.23 22:45:00 - [89] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE. Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game. Perchance could your stuffs find their way into my hanger then? I honestly don't think you will see the kind of game-play you are expecting from WIS and CCP for many more years. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.26 00:15:00 - [90] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Cletus Graeme wrote: Having said all that, my own take on WiS is as a combat pilot. In other words, we definitely need some kind of avatar combat and it should be an extension of the existing FiS pvp mechanics. E.g. Stations should be policed by CONCORD in empire and response times should mirror the system security status as it does in space and War Decs should allow you to fight in a station as they do in space We all have clones so dying in a station doesn't mean anything more than ISK loss and inconvenience (as in space). It's not hard to see how fights could break out over spies being uncovered, people being scammed, cheating accusations over a gambling game, smugglers being caught in the act or just via overconsumption of alcohol! WiS without PvP is a non-starter and adding a whole new (avatar based) combat system is a monumental task so the fact that this is not being talked about in detail makes me very worried indeed. EvE is not a safe place to live and that's what makes it so much fun (and unique amongst MMOs). WiS shouldn't change that. Also, if avatars were able to purchase "personal gear" from the market (NOT the NeX store) which gives them in-game advantages while docked (i.e. similar to buying and fitting ship modules to a ship) then there is now a reason to rob/grief/kill someone to "haz their stuff". This opens a whole new arena for invention/manufacturing/trade/pvp INSIDE stations. As you can see the potential is there to add something really new and different to EvE but a project this ambitious needs to deliver on at least some of these possibilities. If we get another half-baked release like with FW (or another Incarna - heaven forbid!!!) I think that might be the last straw for many already disgruntled players. At the moment there is a lot of talk about work on "ooh shiny" station interiors which have to look just right. Guess what, WE DON'T CARE. Gameplay >>> Graphics Get the gameplay right - nice graphics is a bonus. I disagree with this. Granted there should be some Avatar Combat available but this sounds like a pitch to allow grief play in order to boost more kill-mail stats. Right now a very important aspect of the existing FiS pvp mechanics is being able to dock up in a station for safety, plain and simple. I'm sure other players will agree that being able to suicide gank Avatars anywhere at anytime will just discourage players from participating in WiS. I definitely don't want my 1 billion ISK worth of implants to be destroyed while being active in WiS. If you want a 'Free for all' FPS PvP gank fest, have Concord sanctioned Arena's placed inside the stations. If you want the option to suicide gank Avatars, make it a specialized skill career that's based on a percentage chance for success which would also include players having options to help safeguard themselves from being ganked. 'Nowhere in Eve is safe' or 'Eve's core gameplay is PvP' is nothing more than hogwash. As I said earlier, I can dock in station for 100% safety. My ship has ability to tank damage and also have logistics help from friends. If I'm being suicide attacked in high sec, hopefully my ship can survive so I can watch concord destroy the attackers. If my ship is destroyed, I also have a chance to spam warp and dock in a station before my pod is destroyed. Bottom line: There are a lot of various options to help safeguard my character from being destroyed while being active in FiS. I expect the same type of options for WiS. If not, then good luck getting players to participate in WiS. Sure, there should be a few safe places in WIS just the same as FIS, but the very second you are interacting with other avatars directly, you should no longer be 100% safe. The risk of death should be no different than un-docking in FIS now. I don't think anyone advocates "free ganks" in WIS or FIS, and CCP would likely not either. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.02.27 04:22:00 - [91] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: stuff Why don't you just come out and admit that you are just risk adverse and want all of WIS to be a PVE environment? That's all you have ever done, so it's completely understandable that's what you want WIS to be. PVP "arenas" exist in WOW and other crappy games that are NOT EVE. Why do you want to turn EVE into one of those? No one here wants to sanction "free ganks". That's just you reading-in your own risk aversion play-style. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.03 03:38:00 - [92] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS! You should definitely get on that ASAP, all 12 of you. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.04 03:52:00 - [93] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: I say we form up a massive fleet of Guardians, get a proper cap chain going and rep the Jita 4-4 statue so CCP can put it back to the way it was. All in the name of improving WiS! You should definitely get on that ASAP, all 12 of you. You love to hate dont you pal. The WIS project will be deliverd as promiss and this game need some change. You think eve online will become world of warcraft? sinds when do you think like a 6 year old ati/nvidia raging fanboy? I think what ccp is doing know is pussing this game so far that we can say eve is more than a space game alone. people are always afread of change... Nope, I got no problem with WIS as long as FIS does not suffer again for :18 months: or more during WIS and emo vampire MMO side-venture development. If CCP can create meaningful and compelling gameplay beyond vanity avatar dress-up and mini-games for WIS that fits in with FIS that actually affects the overall EVE universe, CCP will have something worth promoting and beating their chests about, and it will very likely flourish. What I have a problem with are players who insist that WIS is a "jesus feature" that everyone wants, and who claim WIS is a panacea, and that it needs to be a PVE WoW-like playground without the same PVP risks that FIS has now. Also, I have a problem with the daily bleating and foot-stamping in the forums that the dozen or so militant pro-WIS players have been doing since CCP's refocus on FIS because they think CCP is ignoring WIS when CCP is just trying to save their company, their livelihood, and the game we all play and enjoy now. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.05 03:55:00 - [94] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Zsamael wrote: Just my 14 pence... CCP we're fuly focused on bringing us WiS and "letting us out of that door" but then.. one dark night they realised they made a game about spaceships not about bears buying each other virtual drinks in virtual bars. Frankly the whole WiS thing doesn't really appeal to me at all as probably 90%+ of the time I'm out in space in a spaceship doing stuff that spacemen do!... Not walking a space barbie round in circles thinking "I wish I could open that door over there!". CCP kieron wrote: To those voicing concerns this will create tremendous amounts of lag for the players in space, is a waste of resources, etc., please keep in mind that PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base and different players enjoy different things. A number of players have asked for something along these lines since launch, and we have an opportunity to invest time in this technology for future projects. As t0rfi stated in the blog, if this is not something you wish to take part in, you will not be forced to do so. You will still have the option to use the current interface for all station services and will not have to use the out of pod interface. So, this quotation still does not back-up your "MAJORITY of EVE players" claim you keep making. It simply states a "number of players". How many players is that exactly? What can you show us that quantifies a number? /In before your next Ad hominem. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.05 04:22:00 - [95] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: How about you show me a number that proves me wrong, you can't can you. Notwithstanding your white-knighting, I don't need to, I've never made any claims to the contrary. I've simply asked for supporting evidence for the claims made by DeMichael Crimson. This would refer to the "MAJORITY of players want WIS" assertion he keeps spouting as fact in this and other threads. Common fallacy: proving non-existence : when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims. As I already explained to him, it would be a very good idea if he did not want to be called-out for making stuff up, he should perhaps pose his statements as opinions in the future to avoid being asked these pesky questions that serve to illustrate he simply makes stuff up to suit his agenda. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.05 06:16:00 - [96] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Stuff Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again. I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing). Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.05 14:35:00 - [97] - Quote Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote: Doc Fury wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Stuff Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again. I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing). Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind. And where is your evidence that "MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players" do not want WIS? Its easy to attack somebody without any evidence in your favor. I don't claim to have any evidence and have not stated that is my position. I've attacked no one and have simply asked for proof, pointing out when he evades the question or spouts-off one of his typical ad hominems. I'd just like to see his evidence since he likes to lecture others so often about this supposed "majority". If he does not have any evidence, he could admit that it is his opinion and that he does not have any actual evidence and that would suffice. He made a claim, I did not. Trying to shift the burden of non-proof to others as you are now also attempting to do is a fallacy. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.05 20:47:00 - [98] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote: Doc Fury wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Stuff Absent a valid answer to an argument you are predictably reduced to the ad homenim again. I have made no accusations or taken a position one way or another no matter how much you read that into my request for factual information. I have simply asked for your evidence to back up your assertions that a MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players want WIS, and you have still not provided anything other than "proving non-existence" and "ad homenim" fallacies. You did provide a couple of links to irrelevant information, but if somewhere in there it actually states that a MAJORITY of players want WIS I am just not seeing it. "A number of players" could be 1, 2, or it could be 10000. Who's to say? Not you or me. Where is your proof exactly? EVE has over 300K accounts and maybe 10% post on the forums (guessing). Anything else you think I am doing or saying only exists in your mind. And where is your evidence that "MAJORITY (i.e. 51% or more) of EVE players" do not want WIS? Its easy to attack somebody without any evidence in your favor. I don't claim to have any evidence and have not stated that is my position. I've attacked no one and have simply asked for proof, pointing out when he evades the question or spouts-off one of his typical ad hominems. I'd just like to see his evidence since he likes to lecture others so often about this supposed "majority". If he does not have any evidence, he could admit that it is his opinion and that he does not have any actual evidence and that would suffice. He made a claim, I did not. Trying to shift the burden of non-proof to others as you are now also attempting to do is a fallacy. Fine, first of all, if you are talking about me it is "she". And I'll end this once and for all. I "BELIEVE" as do many others that the majority of Eve players would like ambulation in some form. You can't refute what I believe so now please go away, you haven't contributed anything useful to the dialog here. Issler I wasn't talking about you m'am this isn't about you, but thanks for jumping-in with your opinion clearly stated as such. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.05 22:33:00 - [99] - Quote Flamespar wrote: I find the argument for evidence that players want WiS really stupid. If that was the actual argument, it would be stupid. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.06 17:28:00 - [100] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... A clever rabbit watches what CCP does vs. what they say. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.06 17:49:00 - [101] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Elanor Vega wrote: From: Crucible 1.5 Quote: Team AvatarGÇÖs Interface Enhancement Pack: Storming forward with the mission to make 'hard' a battlecry for space combat and not the UI, Team Avatar brought a new level of ease-of-use and functionality to how players interact with and play the game. The patch notes for Crucible 1.5 have the full list of updates, but here are some of the highlights: - Character Creator Portrait snapshots now retain background, pose, and lighting settings, allowing you to switch between them without altering work you had previously done and saved. Each of the four portraits can be triggered with the F1-F4 keys, "Stand still!" Idle animation will now pause while you are sculpting your character. An invalid name will indicate such prior to the player clicking to confirm their character instead of after. The interface for tucking shirts, pants and shoes is now more visible. - HUD and Panels Personal assets are now sorted by most assets at the top More information has been added to the Route tab in the Solar System window Icons for the selected item now has a right-click dropdown of options - EVE Market Color coding of market orders allows you to see if the item is located along your current route Modify order window now has a button to show market details for the product in question Drag and drop functionality has been added to the market Quickbar to support quickly adding modules and items from your inventory Shift dragging blueprints into Quickbar allows you to dynamically add a shopping list for various industry jobs, such as manufacturing And someone told us that team Avatar is WiS team... well at least you can spin new four rookie ships around and besides character creation is Avatar related I was talking about percentage in that post. Look at what they did... Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time 5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing. 1/3 of 4 is 1,33. 1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD thats so sad that its funny And thus they can quite truthfully say they are working on WIS. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.07 01:02:00 - [102] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: CCP karkur wrote: wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused. Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also. There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea. I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that. This is 100% truth. And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof. /asking for proof is not trolling. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.07 01:23:00 - [103] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Doc Fury wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: CCP karkur wrote: wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking. I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused. Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also. There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea. I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that. This is 100% truth. And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof. /asking for proof is not trolling. Wow didn,t know i made a claim somewhere You didn't that i am aware of. That was a jab directed at DeMichael Crimson specifically. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.07 02:02:00 - [104] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Doc Fury wrote: And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry when they are asked for proof. /asking for proof is not trolling. You constantly beating your chest and stomping your feet about my statement without providing any contradicting evidence proves that you are indeed trolling. The basis for my statement was already provided yet you choose to ignore it while constantly posting this unsubstantiated claim that I'm angry and making false statements. I'll post it once again so you can see for yourself. http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469548 Now you post a link providing contradiction to my statement. If you're too lazy to do that or worse, just plain incompetent, then STFU and quit stalking me. I don't hold a contrary position. I have not stamped my feet or beat my chest as much as you like to believe or try to convince others that is happening. You are the one becoming angry (enraged it would seem) because you choose to hurl, ad hominem insults instead of dialog. I am asking yet again for your proof. I don't believe any evidence exists either way. Why should I have to disprove something you have already stated is a fact, but you can't prove? That's a fallacy argument as I've already pointed out, and is very disingenuous of you. The only proof you've been able to provide to try to backup your "A majority of EVE players want WIS" claim so far, has been a Dev quote that stated: "A number of players have asked for this." A number.. hmm how many players is that exactly? You or I don't know for sure, but that's what you provide as your evidence. Where exactly in your latest link is a Dev or any information provided by CCP that states a MAJORITY of players want WIS? Can you please quote something, are you just lazy, do you not know what majority means, or does your evidence simply not exist? You do realize you can link to specific posts in a thread? If you really think I am stalking you, you should file a petition, or better yet, cry to Issler again that the bad, bad man insists that you back up the baseless claims you post in these forums with evidence. I'm not lazy at all and would be happy to review anything specific you can put forth, but you are proving to be a poor liar or completely delusional, and are just getting hostile and trying to deflect your anger upon me because you've been caught lying, and you aren't even brave enough to admit your "majority" claim was just your opinion when you were given the chance. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.07 05:14:00 - [105] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation. So now you are moving the goalposts. Not too surprising I suppose, now that you've been caught making stuff up (lying). You seem to have a limited understanding of what English words mean. What you said originally was: "The majority of the player base has wanted WiS" which is completely different than what you are claiming now. Here, I'll even link it all up for you, because I'm not lazy: http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15 DeMichael Crimson wrote: lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts. The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. Facts are funny things eh? In the same post you managed to chide others for posting incorrect statements and not checking facts and then you make a whopper of an unsubstantiated claim at the same time. I and another player shortly after simply and politely asked you for proof to backup your claims without taking any position of our own, and you got all pissy with us and started with your "no, you" rebuttals and hurling insults. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#30 Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#53 Ai Shun wrote: Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims. Followed by your "proof" via ad hominem and proving non-existence fallacies : DeMichael Crimson wrote: http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#38 Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#41 Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#55 Same to you, I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation. continued next post The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.07 05:15:00 - [106] - Quote --continued -- Then you made a final failed attempt to explain how burden of proof works outside of the criminal court system. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/3#62 DeMichael Crimson wrote: Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements. Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research. All of that anger and deflection from you just because 2 players politely asked for your evidence without making any claims themselves who then only kept asking you when you tried to evade the issue. Deep anger and paranoia issues, I think you haz them. So, who here is beating their chest, foot stamping and ranting, who is trolling, and who is lying? (rhetorical question) The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.07 14:32:00 - [107] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Some players just want to twist it around and write a 2000 word essay contained in 2 posted replies back to back about how I'm making stuff up or 'moving goalposts' now since they conveniently mistook WiS Ambulation for WiS Incarna. . Oh, you are just soooo misunderstood. I get it, players like me are just confused because you think there are now 2 flavors of WIS, and a (still unsubstantiated) "majority" only wanted one of those. Are you serious? Regardless of how you now are trying to spin what "WIS" means to you or is perceived to mean by others: http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15 DeMichael Crimson wrote: lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts. The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. It's still quite hilarious that you chide others for posting incorrect, non-factual statements and then make stuff up to support your position in the very same post. I also don't see where you differentiated which "version" of WIS you were referring to. "WIS ever since 2006" just means WIS. Dunno' how many words that is so far sparky, or why that would be relevant, but do keep trying to spin what you said to mean something else. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.11 16:16:00 - [108] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead. Glad to see you finally figured out what I was saying last year. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 523	Posted - 2012.03.11 17:57:00 - [109] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Doc Fury wrote: [quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai Seriously dudes. If you want WiS, pray that DUST hits the nail. As if DUST fails to provide hard cash to CCP, WiS is dead.[/quote Glad to see you finally figured out what I was saying last year. The corolary is that EVE will also be dead without WiS, as it's the only thing it can do to outgrow the niche where it's cornered now without losing the niche dwellers. That sounds like a bunch of FUD to me, EVE has done just fine for a decade without WIS and it still is attracting new players. CCP was raking in the cash before they overextended themselves, and now that they have refocused they are slowly starting to recover. A smarter argument instead of proposing that EVE will be doomed or dead without WIS, would be that EVE would benefit greatly and attract even more players via WIS that contained meaningful* gameplay and features that affect the rest of the game. meaningful does not mean more clothes, vanity crappola, emoting, mini-games or purely PVE content. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'*
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 534	Posted - 2012.03.16 14:58:00 - [110] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: I am not talking about ganking I am talking about wanting that EVE loose players That only person who wants EVE dead wants And that person who wants to see EVE dead is against WiS - what a surprise. [:roll: Goon or not a goon, you want the same, dead EVE. That's a huge straw man argument. Why do you have to be so melodramatic? Arguing that EVE will die without WIS, or that people who don't want WIS also want EVE dead is a completely un-defendable position. The sky is not going to fall if CCP can't deliver on WIS anytime soon, and EVE does not appear to be losing any existing players just because it does not have WIS now, well, other than a few here who keep threatening to quit but are still posting. I would think throwing a lot of Dev resources and cash at WIS again (like CCP did before) without having a formal, executable plan that involves meaningful, engaging, gameplay would be more likely to threaten the health of EVE. CCP delivering another incomplete expansion like "Incarna" where customer expectations were not even close to what CCP could accomplish would be a threat to the health of EVE. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 534	Posted - 2012.03.16 18:37:00 - [111] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: CCP did NOT throw a lot of resources and cash at WiS, they threw it at vampires, consoles and NeX. And I certainly am not suggesting a huge resource allocation to ambulation. I do think the current team is understaffed. See :18 months: WIS is not understaffed at all if CCP does not have a plan yet for providing meaningful and compelling game play. Issler Dainze wrote: There have been recent posts about the dwindling number of players online. PCU numbers have actually been increasing since Dec of last year, see here Linky Issler Dainze wrote: To think Eve is currently on course for huge growth and a bright future requires a degree of baseless optimism I have a hard time mustering. I did not make that argument so I don't know who you are directing your rebuttal at. Issler Dainze wrote: We need fresh experiences with lower learning curves that will attract and keep new players. Ambulation can be a big part of that. CCP needs to keep ambulation as a serious part of their plans and I think that means a bigger team. WIS (or Ambulation) could definitely be a big part of that. But, not until CCP has a tangible, workable, deliverable plan they can execute that provides meaningful and compelling gameplay affecting the entire player base. Until then, there is no need whatsoever to put more Devs or resources into WIS then we have now. Mini-games, clothes, and bars are not meaningful or compelling content, and that is the majority of what is being proposed here. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 536	Posted - 2012.03.16 20:03:00 - [112] - Quote Ai Shun wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: as long option C doesn,t have aurum or other failNEX payment and doesn,t cost me extra money ,bc CCP made that promise along with a great Vid back then ,you got +1 I think they need to plan it carefully. I would hope they have some F2P component to help build new customers for that aspect of the game (Similar to Dust) but I would also expect that existing EVE subscribers should either get a free amount of credit per month in the store (If they have one) or should just have full access to the game. It would be much simpler if ARUM (in EVE) just went away, and we could directly use ISK instead. We already have an available means for CCP to get MT cash in EVE, it's called PLEX, and CCP sells metric ass-loads of them, and players convert the same amount to ISK every day. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 552	Posted - 2012.03.19 05:46:00 - [113] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: I knew about entropia, it is heavily MT-ed. why do you bring that up? are you whining about NEX? dude if you don't feel like it's worth your money, don't buy it, in entropia you have stuff to do ie gameplay Enropia is not heavily MT-ed. It's 100% MT and you can definitely P2W. You cannot do anything in that game other than socialize without getting out your credit card. You can spend $15 the first hour you start trying to skill-up and then you are done unless you drop-in some more dosh. Almost all social activity heavily revolves around emoting and dressup, and the PVP (what very little there is) is completely laughable. Ai Shun wrote: Project Entropia and it's success Entropia can hardly be used as a "success" model IMHO given it's already changed hands 3 times and when they **-up an expansion or upgrade (see: VU 10) it makes CCP's past failures in those areas seem completely insignificant. It's more of a niche game then EVE ever has been, and probably enjoys only a few thousand concurrent players at peaks because the game play is actually very limited and very grind-oriented and considering you have to pay RL cash just to grind-up, it is no wonder its not very popular. Ai Shun wrote:** I pointed out that gameplay like Entropia could be appealing. Maybe some style elements or a few basic concepts, but everything in that game is an expensive chanced-based grind with the odds favoring the house in all things. If you just want to chill out, there is no real content beyond emoting/dancing. The crafting and player run services could be borrowed from certainly if we are going to continue to be saddled with the NeX. I think a better successful game to glean gameplay elements and style from would be Mass Effect. /I really hate Entropia //there are some very cool people who play it however and a few general ideas that could be borrowed. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 553	Posted - 2012.03.19 17:39:00 - [114] - Quote Guttripper wrote: oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know. There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize. So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off). ^^This, I believe you you nailed it, at least for me. I bolded the key bits. WIS needs to contain the same potential for risk and consequences FIS has. Otherwise, as has already been suggested, WIS should just be a separate game altogether like DUST, marketed specifically to PVE and social media types of players. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 555	Posted - 2012.03.20 14:52:00 - [115] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Taiwanistan wrote: Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform. http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w The emoter freaks have infested CCP. Face the facts: when you meet face to face it would be nice to be able to set your stance, pose, and maybe wave/shake hands/flip the bird. After that comes the throwing Aurum at strippers, betting battleships on a Go game, or staking a PLEX on poker. If you want Counterstrike in space, you might want to check up this new Playstation persistent world shooter title being put together by some obscure group in Shanghai. Doh, for a second, that vid sent a chill down my spine... so much potential, so much wasted... Potential for what exactly? Night at the Roxbury in space? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 558	Posted - 2012.03.21 00:10:00 - [116] - Quote bornaa wrote: Here is OP from one thread that is close to describing why more then few ppl that i know left EVE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971172#post971172 Nazzer Dawk wrote: Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list. But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters". Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal. Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued. Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday. Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome. Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel. Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet. Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station. And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport. Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way. This definitely proves that CCP should never advertise a feature before it is available. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 566	Posted - 2012.03.25 17:59:00 - [117] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Liu Ellens wrote: Out-Of-Pod Gameplay: CCP has taken two steps back and they are now prototyping on gameplay, using quick prototypes that can be created and thrown away in a matter of days or few weeks. Message: "Instead of creating art as early as possible and see what we can do with it, we first iterate on gameplay ideas and add art later". Whatever it will be, it is meant to do or be something 'additional' - not 'instead' of the current experience Prototyping is done with the Unity engine We were shown a 'playable' prototype of gray boxes running around in similar gray corridors Current prominent idea: Be the explorer type, fly to some scanned site, get out of pod and run through corridors of an abandoned station. (Side question: what happens when blown up - Mind transfer? Answer: Think DUST mercenary tech, also available for capsuleers) Kicked off into discussion about boarding POS. Question for thoughts was raised: When you allow a capsuleer to mess with the station someone is in - how can (should be) the one in station be able to mess the capsuleer up? (I am most probably not using the same words to recite, but hopefully the idea) Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I can't say I'm surprised to hear that basically nothing will be done with walk in stations but that doesn't stop me from being disappointed. What makes things worse is that CCP are continuing to release CGI trailers that do not represent the game. The latest on looks amazing but that isn't the game we all know. I mean, why drum up excitement by showing us videos of pilots leaving their ships and exploring sleeper sites if that type of gamplay is so far off?! Then when people buy into the idea and want to know how it's coming along, we're told that the feature only has a skeleton crew working on pointless thinks like sleeve tattoos at the moment... I give up. If your possessions could somehow find their way to my hangar before you leave, that would be muchly appreciated. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 567	Posted - 2012.03.26 02:16:00 - [118] - Quote Taiwanistan wrote: that new trailer btw, is not about wis or incarna or even new exploration gameplay, it is just a short dramatization of the recent eve novel Templar One which introduces the lore-justification of Dust soldier clones. Not empty quoting. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 567	Posted - 2012.03.26 02:46:00 - [119] - Quote Gevlin wrote: We cannot oh and as I have been saying : then Steal all the Stuff from WOD. There is nothing to steal from WoD but art assets. All of WoD's tech comes from EVE (Carbon). /Unless you want some fangs on your avatar maybe, or a cape. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 596	Posted - 2012.03.29 01:51:00 - [120] - Quote Soulpirate wrote: Can you give us an idea of when something might "come out of" your current prototyping work? Soon(TM) The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 647	Posted - 2012.03.30 20:13:00 - [121] - Quote CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations. See where I am going? Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 647	Posted - 2012.03.30 20:52:00 - [122] - Quote Severian Carnifex wrote: Doc Fury wrote: CCP removes posts when enough people report them. Some goonies recently got forum banned for forum rule violations. See where I am going? Most of you should also know CCP will not discuss forum moderation. I don't dispute that. I ask why that posts were not problem in the past when they were actual, and are problem today (and got deleted today)? Probably because CCP's forum moderation is abysmal even on good days. Threads that should not last 10 minutes on a properly monitored forum can last 2 or more days here before CCP gets around to removing or moderating them. EXCEPT when there is a huge scandal. A player or two probably went through and reported posts in this thread, and because CCP was doing a lot of moderation the last couple of days they got around to reviewing and removing them. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 737	Posted - 2012.04.04 21:14:00 - [123] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: CCP RedDawn wrote: Hi all, This is just a small update to say that we (Team Avatar) are still monitoring this thread for WiS feedback, and we are not just a "PR" stunt. :) Those of you who attended the Avatar round table at Fanfest got a small glimpse of one of the WiS gameplay prototypes that we are working on. So we are progressing. As for other implementations that we are working on, Tattoo's, NeX items, etc, these are all mid-progress work that we have the opportunity to finalise and get out to you, but these are not our main priority. You also know that CCP Karkur on Team Avatar is also working on constantly improving the UI experience via small, but highly useful changes. I would also like to point out that she also works on her weekends to incorporate as many of these as she can, and also work on the character creator as well as she is very passionate about it, so yes the team is doing other things as well, but our ultimate focus is most definitely on WiS gameplay. Finally, as this post has somehow turned into a mini novel, we want WiS to work as much as most of the people in this thread and have collated a ton of ideas from here and Fanfest. But lets all be realistic and honest, it's not going to appear overnight as we are a small team, but saying that, there will be enough new FiS content to almost make a bittervet smile coming your way as well, so you should have plenty to so in the interim. PS: Fanfest was great and I hope to meet more of you next year, although the round table was a little too early after the dev pub crawl the night before. Fly reckless till then. CCP RedDawn. Frankly, CCP RedDawn, CCP about WiS is like the guy who swears to run a marathon sometime in the future but meanwhile won't walk to the store around the corner. It requires faith to take that seriously, you know. Mitanidrama aside, the two longer threads in the forums are about avatars. And one of them is not even a feature: "rate the avatar above" is emergent social gameplay, based upon the character creator. There si no way to knwo what peope would do if you as much as allowed them to be together in a CQ, let aloen provide them some avatar interaction tools. "Gameplay first, social later" is completely wrong; it's the completely opposite order of "achievability". And I don't really think CCP is so thick as to not get where the bigger bang-per-buck is, or what people are asking. You (CCP hf) are pretty aware that social gameplay is the thing you could deliver right here, right now, but also you (Team Avatar) won't agree that your company merely doesn't haves the commitment to do so. 5 developers part time is no commitment, is a PR stunt. A good willed one, but come on, we all know there's a store around the corner and all you do is to stay home planning about having a plan. Where will you go this way? Nowhere. I'm sure the Devs really appreciate you telling them what to do, and that they're doing it wrong, and how EVE is going to fail if they don't do what you say. Passively insinuating CCP might be "thick" and not committed is also just so darn motivational to people (Devs) that are simply working with the resources they have! Wasn't your account supposed to expire already? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 738	Posted - 2012.04.05 17:32:00 - [124] - Quote So, to sum us the last couple of pages: CCP, giev WIS now, or RAGE! Some of you need to get some realistic expectations or you are really gonna' be raging when WIS gets iterated next. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 740	Posted - 2012.04.06 19:14:00 - [125] - Quote HELIC0N ONE wrote: lots of stuff Well said. The goon definitely understands how this is going to go down folks, read his post again very carefully and then you might too. Anyone claiming that "if CCP would just build it, the players will come running" is being ridiculous, and selfish. If you just want WIS to socialize, I would suggest getting on teamspeak/skype/EVE Voice or etc, and not insist that CCP waste a crap-ton of resources again just so you can do it while also showing-off some space pants. Anyone who thinks they smell a rat in the direction of team Avatar, should probably shower more often. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 741	Posted - 2012.04.07 01:42:00 - [126] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Wait... Racist? What? That word...I don't it means what you think it means. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 743	Posted - 2012.04.07 16:39:00 - [127] - Quote HELIC0N ONE wrote: DeMichael Cartman wrote: Your insistence that CCP should exclude WiS content that benefits and helps expand game play for role-players is not only biased, it's prejudiced, racist and narrow-minded as well. Not to mention you're also a hypocrite. WiS content should have aspects that appeal to all styles of game play. Your shrieking and random name-calling aside, its amazing and hilarious that you should state that WiS should 'appeal to all styles of gameplay' whilst simultaneously advocating that WiS development focus on zero-gameplay establishments and graphical style-over-content rather than features with actual things for players to do. Unfortunately for you and luckily for Eve, Torfi clearly stated in the keynote they're working on adding substantial meaningful gameplay and that establishments were no longer the focus of WiS. I read DMC's posts in this thread in Cartman's voice, so whenever he comes unhinged with his personal attacks and threatening to report posts it's actually quite hilarious. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 777	Posted - 2012.04.17 02:20:00 - [128] - Quote DeMichael Cartman wrote: Now I'm telling you to stop spreading lies about me, my intentions or my viewpoints pertaining to WiS. This new redirection ploy of yours with misinformation and false accusations won't work and needs to stop now. Continuing to post such blatant falsehoods will only force escalation. Look out people! Cartman is about to "force escalation"! Do we need to link-up the thread where you melted down and started hurling insults when you got called out for making a sweeping generalization and were simply asked (politely) to back it up with factual evidence? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 779	Posted - 2012.04.17 03:17:00 - [129] - Quote A few highlights: http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15 DeMichael Cartman wrote: lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts. The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#30 Doc Fury wrote: Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#53 Ai Shun wrote: Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims. DeMichael Cartman wrote: http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#38 Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#41 Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you. Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU. http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/3#62 Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements. Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research. This, folks is why I will always read DMC's posts in Cartman's voice. There's more of the same if you go read this very thread over on EVE Search, there's a good reason so many DMC posts have been removed from this thread. I am guessing "forced escalation" means he's going to report these posts to CCP (mommy) just like he does whenever other players don't agree with him or point out when he makes stuff up (lies) to suit his position. Can't wait to see how he spins this again, it's always entertaining. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 779	Posted - 2012.04.17 04:00:00 - [130] - Quote DeMichael Cartman wrote: I see someone who is suffering from a Pee Wee Herman mentality. I did a GIS for "Pee Wee Herman mentality" but didn't get any hits. I guess that condition must only exist in your mind. DeMichael Cartman wrote: Oh, by the way, you're still a troll which is all that thread you linked proves. I provided proof which backed up my statement and you still can't link anything to disprove that statement. If it is trolling to ask you to prove what you declare is factual while you chide others for "posting incorrect statements without checking the facts", then I am guilty as charged. The "proof" you provided is a thread from 2006 where maybe 100-200 unique players voiced opinions one way or another about ambulation, it does not contain any relevant statistical information or corroboration by CCP that a "majority of players want WIS". FYI, the forums represent probably less than 10% of the total number of players and that is being generous, so using the forums to gauge the desires of EVE's entire player-base is entirely disingenuous . If you can produce tangible and verifiable evidence to back up your assertions, I and others would still like to see it instead of your tiresome "no you" retorts. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 824	Posted - 2012.04.18 20:11:00 - [131] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: It still stands though, that a fair majority of the playerbase would like to see some good WiS content. Where did you obtain this information? I would like to review it assuming that CCP has released statistics supporting your statement. Or is this just your impression or feeling? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 841	Posted - 2012.04.20 02:29:00 - [132] - Quote DeMichael Cartman wrote: Tin foil conspiracy theories Dude, really? ***** is a helluva drug. You blame others for attempting to derail this thread yet there you go again. DeMichael Cartman wrote: STOP IT. Maybe if you didn't sperge personal attacks and insults and/or threaten to report players to CCP (mommy) whenever someone simply asked you a question you didn't like, or whenever others here disagree with your position, you might** just garner some respect. /confirming I am the alt of every player who has ever disagreed with Cartman. //confirming I devote 110% of my waking hours to making sure WiS does not happen. ///confirming I also kidnapped the Lindbergh baby. //// slashies! The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'

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