I assume you aren't a software engineer. I am and the reality of the winter expansion is this.

There are only two choices.

1. CCP can do super human feats of software engineering and deliver in 90 days an entire expansion. If you believe that it means that everything CCP said they couldn't do, all the things we asked for in the past like fuel pellets, new ships, sov changes, FW updates, weapons balancing, skybox upgrade, engine trails, new cyno effect...... they were just lying to us while the developers spent their days sitting around playing Angry Birds at thier desks.

2. Most of this was well underway already and likely was going to be in the winter expansion from the start.

/snip

Issler

I think I'm done with this thread.

It's going around in circles, and both sides of the debate are doing nothing at this point but posting misconceptions and half truths.

We'll see what happens, and we'll also see who had their facts straight and who did not.

I think you'll be surprised.

the purpose of all the above activities is to enable fis-ing
to provide the supply to the demand of fis

if wis is not involved in supply demand circle of life, it has no reason to exist

Very much this.

On most computers the CQ ate more resources than your average fast paced shooter, racing or whatever game while still having horrible shader effects in some areas.
The step towards smooth player socialization would have been enormous and requiring a lot of debugging resources, which CCP doesn't have. Or wants to spend time and money on, since their WoD game - one of the reasons Incarna was finally given a go - also was planned to use that engine.

Now WoD is on hold that situation isn't that way anymore and the (internal, CCP) incentive to make WiS a lot weaker. CCP subsequently, and very conveniently, used some forum posts and protests to say "the players don't want WiS anyway, let's postpone it!!". And so Incarna is shelved for now. Till .. ?

And so it is.

again explain to me how /emotes enhances gameplay?

"not a peep", as in not a single post by a dev? Is that why there's a big fat blue dev arrow pointing towards this thread?

The problem is not with the CSMs, the problem is CCP seems to have neither a long term vision or the courage of their own convictions.

They seem to blow in the customer wind. The problem with that is customers don't look out 2-5 years, they look at the next content patch, and if in 2-5 years the game sucks, they will just quit and play something else.

In 1 years WiS should be complete
In 2-3 years we should be on planets as well, not just "dust like", but also exploring, arial pew pew and so forth
In 3-5 years we should be walking in and manning multi player ships


If in 5 years, 10 content patches, we have 20 new ships and some other half finished stuff, this game is dead.

Are you talking about the concept of WiS, or what WiS is at this point in time? Because I think even mittens is absolutely fine, and probably even supports, the concept of WiS, what he definitely seemed annoyed with was the actual implementation.

my hatred of wis is that it is the first step in the koreanization of ccp and eve online

I'm giving Dust514 about 6-7 months of moderate success on the PS3 then it will start to decline. I don't believe it will see any true success until it is on the PC where it will grow in a similar fashion to how EVE has over the years.

The "WiS haters" (who are really just pro spaceship content) aren't whining. We won.

oh god the ambulation trailers, have you ever seen a trailer thought yeah it looks good, saw the movie then it sucked balls?
stop being so gullible and basing faith on trailers

Which is why we must be vigilant and make sure that CCP doesn't stray again.

WiS isn't a feature that is relevant to internet spaceships.

And how did that work out for the game?

I bet the employees that lost their job would agree with you.

.....and all your moronic arguments amount to...." please CCP, abandon everything that made EVE online the great game it is, for a wildly unpopular and unproven system that will allow me to play space dress ups with my friends...even though this has caused many job losses, many people to quit the game, the first decline in numbers ever at expansion time...i dont care about that...I WANNA DRESS UP MY AVATAR !!!!!!!! "

I don't want this thread to end. I like having the handful of pro-Barbie people all in one location.

naw dawg i am liking crucible just fine

yeah i am also happy that ccp is on the right track now,
putting out the awsome crucible, with wis shitcanned, i get all giddy thinking how great the next pure unadulterated fis expansion will be

I certainly hope they keep releasing these WiS expansions.

hey barbie lovers, while you wait for wis why don't you consider swtor:
a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 wis dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar,
all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
/lol

...


I think CCP has said they're continuing to work on Incarna I'd like for them to expatiate on it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49692&p=5
can some one count how many barbie lovers?

Actually, there is a handful of them but that thread is a good read for all you WiS advocates - it shows what players really cares about in EVE.

o7o7o7m8m8m8m8
can we just keep the discussions civil and do without all the
please

you accuse ignorance, bigotry
when you said yourself, wis is nothing important
what is important is the scarcity of dev resources, and you barbie lover's denial and ignorance of that reality
you can't have both fis and wis, but you can have fis on focus and wis on backburner

I've been involved with the thread since the beginning. If you read all of it you'll see a pattern where there a couple of people crying about not having enough dresses and then a rotating stable of characters in newbie corps who write *exactly* the same way as the first set of WiS whiners.

And yes, if somebody is upset that CCP saved their game by putting roleplaying microtransaction nonsense on the backburner and are demanding an answer to when CCP will reverse that deserves to be labeled as a space barbie fetishist.

This thread implies that CCP will not implement WiS at all, did they ever state that they won't, or...?

OK now go and dress up sheesh someone kill this thread already.

Congratulations on this huge Thread.

Also: Congratulations to everybody who still denies reality.

All of you people thinking this is a huge thread are silly. Here is a thread that reached over 400 pages filled with people who didn't want any more WiS nonsense and wanted CCP to work on actual Eve content. Sadly the author of the thread is no longer with CCP because her job was cut when the company lost a ton of money by focusing on WiS.

No matter how many times you say this it's never going to be true.

as a person of high moral fiber, i take offense at the op's rancorous calling out on ccp staff,
calling them shameless, cowardly, along with an assortment of fist shaking, mark my words and other unseemly begging
so i am here to rebuke you lot, for whining over something so frivolous as the ability to /emote with an avatar,
the term space barbies dressup is not derogatory, it is a description, what else would you call it.

hey you know in 1 year swtor will be shitcanned, f2p, dying on life support
and ccp would look at it and "phew glad we didn't faggle up our game with that bullshit"

No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.


Deal with it.

P.S.
lol space role players

P.P.S.
lol role player

3 new cqs, the bone ccp threw at you beggers, and the last of it oh and maybe some new clothes that you can buy if you're dumb

Just let us see each others clothes, at least! it's a multiplayer game

So you must be new around here...haven't read even one bit of the lore right? You know we're commanding the ships with our friggin' brains right? This is just...ugh...

I remember reading that ships used to have a crew, before the game came out in 2003. But that is hardly relevant anymore.

Learn the difference between a wild concept and what actually is implemented in the game. Crews aren't one of them.

Not even close to the 440+ page thread I linked a few pages ago of people who wanted CCP to focus on real EvE content and all that was posted in two or three days. This thread has been limping along for weeks and you look silly for 'demanding' an answer even though CCP has already answered you.

I'm very happy. I'm happy that CCP realized the mistake they were making and turned things around before the game completely imploded. Everybody who posts in this thread should be happy because if CCP had continued to focus on space barbie crap we might not still have an awesome internet spaceship game to play anymore.

Also, for the record there are lots of things I wish for in the game. The difference is that the tings I wish for wouldn't kill the game if CCP spent time working on them.

The people who cry about WiS never actually understood the problems that Incarna represented. They just got caught up in the mob, saw avatars and figured this was the new cool thing to complain about.

Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Mittani nerdraging about Fis.

When my arguments are so effective there's no need to change them. I guess it's a benefit of being right all the time.

Possibly because they are not real spaceships, ergo they are fake.

These forums have gone to ****.

I can't believe the crap that is being permited.

CCP has lost all control of it's game and it's forums.

In all the time since WiS was announced I have yet to see anyone say exactly what there would be to do that would add anything to the game.

Normally I get mumbles about smuggling, gambling etc, which are minigames at best and so far Ive heard nothing suggested that warranted all of the work involved in getting it workng.

When someone tells me of something interesting that it will do, other than an Eve Ironforge where you /dance I may change my mind, but at the moment see no purpose in it.