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Soldier 001
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Posted - 2005.12.04 13:59:00 -
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Moving from one ship class to another is meant to be hard I get that.. but rewards are just a tad stupid in ISK terms. The following are based on 'ideal' circumstances and include bonus's
Lvl 1s, 60k
Lvl 2s, 120k
Lvl 3s, 400-600k average (Max of 1.4 million on extravaganza's etc)
Lvl 4s, 2-3million (5-7 million on extravaganzas)
So where's the balance? A jump from a frigate to destroyer is roughly 600k-750k, from destroyer to cruiser, 4.5mil-7mil, cruiser to BC, you need another 19 million minimum. BC to BS is another 30 million difference (IF this isn't making sense I'm just saying how much extra you gotta pay go from ship a to ship b). And that's only the 'crap' version.
Now ships are meant to be hard to get into, they're meant to take time effort and blah blah blah etc. But the rewards in missions is just screwed IMO. Lvl 4's can be solo'd sure but sometimes you want back-up which means that those missions are a bit (Excuse the CS terms here but it applies oh so nicely) zOMGWTFBBQHAX'ish.
Thoughts? Comments?
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MWEI
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Posted - 2005.12.04 16:10:00 -
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I think most money in missions come from loyality points
But yes lv4 profit should be boosted, atm its risk/difficulty to profit ratio is a bit off.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.04 16:12:00 -
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Rewards are just part of the package.
You have loot, bounties, reward, time bonus and LP.
Add it all up. A level 4 extrav will net you 30 mill.
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Soldier 001
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Posted - 2005.12.05 01:13:00 -
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True true, but the reward jump of 2-4 million (AE with bounties) to 30 million is a bit rich IMO
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mrg29
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Posted - 2005.12.05 02:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Soldier 001
True true, but the reward jump of 2-4 million (AE with bounties) to 30 million is a bit rich IMO
1 - i think u are underestimating the total a lvl3 AE will bring u if u r working in a low sec system with a high qual agents. which is the circumstances that deja has used to estimate the 30mill for a lvl4.
2 - the risk factor involved between the 2 missions is not really quantifiable in isk terms but if u have actually done both solo then u will know how big a jump this is.
3 - a lvl3 extravaganza can be done in around 30 minutes in a HAC, i would challenge anyone to complete the lvl4 solo in under 1 hour even with a faction outfitted BS.
4 - because of the aspects in 2 and 3 above and the fact that alot of less experienced pilots cant manage the lvl4 solo most tend to do it in a group, this still takes 45-60 minutes, and obviously means the bouties are shared.
5 - AE is only one mission and i dont think its really sensible to try and complain that the rewards jump between lvl3 and lvl4 is too big based on one mission.
for all of the above reasons i dont think many mission runners who are being honest would even attempt to say that lvl3 missions should be made more profitable compared to lvl4s.
i'm not really sure however what the point of your post is? are u suggesting lower lvl missions should pay more or that lvl4s should pay less? personally i think both are bad ideas.
paying more for lower lvl missions would make it even easier to make money and would remove the incentive for people to move up to lvl4s.
paying less for lvl4s would cause an uproar, bounties were reduced significantly in the last patch and at the same time missions were made to take longer for most peole because of the missile changes. in the forthcoming patch hps are being increased and npcs are getting limited EW which is likely to make missions even harder.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.05 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Soldier 001
True true, but the reward jump of 2-4 million (AE with bounties) to 30 million is a bit rich IMO
Sorry, I was talking about level 4.
4 mill reward + time bonus, +-18mill bounties and LP + Loot
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Hiccup
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Posted - 2005.12.05 12:06:00 -
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I still don't think a level IV AE is worth it for the 5 hours it takes to kill everything. I can make more than that in a harpy jumping from system to system doing 4/10 complexes.
I did get a gun (150mm prototype gauss) worth around 9 mil on a level 3 extrav by killing the bonus installation. The next time I got a 300k 150mm carbide gun.
If the installation always holds 150 mm guns then it's worth it to set drones and go watch a TV show because they are prime for my harpy.
I've never done the level IV Angel Bonus...in fact I just got a diamond tag a few days ago.
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