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Sarrena	Posted - 2005.12.05 04:50:00 - [31] Question: Why would an assult cruiser have a bigger dronebay (200) then the feddy drone spec (vex 150)? That makes sense like peanut butter on pizza. For the love of god, its 50% reduction to those who keep whining. 200 to 100, then 50 where ALL drone bays got halved.
Tadis	Posted - 2005.12.05 04:59:00 - [32] Basically atm Thorax is overpowered (Yes its my cruiser of choice yet I admit it as I fly it, I know its power compared to those ships that are "meant" to be equal to it). Basically as part of the balancing patch Thorax was brought down to 100m drone bay. Then in the RMR patch drone bays are being halved. Taking it down to 50. So Thorax drone bay - 200 > 100 > 50 Meaning it will prob use 5 mediums (or spec. variant drones) post patch, due to a limit on 5 drones at one time. This also means people will have to increase the DPS of their thorax to be competitive, meaning equiping medium guns like the thorax was designed to do (before some clever ******* thought of the small gun/1600 set-up) hehe. Thorax will become the ship it was meant to be, a gun boat, not the drone tech 1 cruiser win platform it currently is.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.12.05 05:19:00 - [33] Originally by: EwokPoacher Why in the hell is the thorax's drone bay being reduced by 75% instead of 50% like everyone else? Because all dronebays are being cut in half, and the Thorax had an oversized and overpowered bay? ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2005.12.05 05:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Tadis Basically atm Thorax is overpowered (Yes its my cruiser of choice yet I admit it as I fly it, I know its power compared to those ships that are "meant" to be equal to it). Basically as part of the balancing patch Thorax was brought down to 100m drone bay. Then in the RMR patch drone bays are being halved. Taking it down to 50. So Thorax drone bay - 200 > 100 > 50 Meaning it will prob use 5 mediums (or spec. variant drones) post patch, due to a limit on 5 drones at one time. This also means people will have to increase the DPS of their thorax to be competitive, meaning equiping medium guns like the thorax was designed to do (before some clever ******* thought of the small gun/1600 set-up) hehe. Thorax will become the ship it was meant to be, a gun boat, not the drone tech 1 cruiser win platform it currently is. Well put, a cruiser with as many heavy drones as most battleships was rather pushing it. Mind you the number of heavy drones you can use is becoming a semi-moot point anyway, since the heavy drones are getting a 125 signature resolution, meaning they won't hit much below a cruiser effectively and won't hit cruisers as well as they did before. (To be clear I mean being able to use 5 mediums in the new system is probably the most effective drone group anyhow for a cruiser) . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Ishmael Hansen	Posted - 2005.12.05 06:57:00 - [35] Yay man, you just need to start flyin caldari.
BlueOrca	Posted - 2005.12.05 07:56:00 - [36] The only thing that the new RMR Thorax needs a decrease in mass and some more agility. I know that another slot would be just grate but SantaTuxford will not bring that this Christmas.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.12.05 08:21:00 - [37] The thorax is hugely over powered. With the ability the hold 8 heavy drones it did enough dps to beat any other cruiser or bc's. One of the guys I know in E-R did a movie showing him taking on a npcing brutix one one holding him from ransom and chasing off his friends. Thorax was way to powerful for how little training it required.
Edhel	Posted - 2005.12.05 08:35:00 - [38] i'm a big fan of the thorax.. but seriously the dmg a thorax does with light blasters and heavy drones now is ridiculous and it's fast, i even prefer my thorax to a deimos and easily that.
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2005.12.05 10:50:00 - [39] 5 ion blasters mwd web scrabler t2 med armour rep 3 t2 adaptive nanos 1 t2 ms 5 med drones whats nerfed about that?
MOS DEF	Posted - 2005.12.05 10:56:00 - [40] As a gallente cruiser 5 Thorax pilot i can tell you one thing: It was needed. The thorax is NOT the gallente drone cruiser and never was. That's the vexor! The thorax was overpowered and everyone negating this is just fearing to loose his I WIN button. Yes the thorax wont be special anymore after the patch but it wont suck. 5 blasters plus a few drones (that got a boost) are still a threat to most cruiser.
Sendraks	Posted - 2005.12.05 11:33:00 - [41] Originally by: MOS DEF As a gallente cruiser 5 Thorax pilot i can tell you one thing: It was needed. The thorax is NOT the gallente drone cruiser and never was. That's the vexor! The thorax was overpowered and everyone negating this is just fearing to loose his I WIN button. Yes the thorax wont be special anymore after the patch but it wont suck. 5 blasters plus a few drones (that got a boost) are still a threat to most cruiser. Totally agree. I'm still relatively new to Eve, having only been playing a few months, but I do appreciate how good the rax is. I didn't actually know anything about it when I bought my first one, other than I liked the look. But I've read and I've learned and the reality is, the Thorax is currently easy mode for cruisers and more than a little one dimensional. Since I hear the changes were coming, I've been flying with less drones and relying on blasters more the way the rax was intended. I'm really looking to the RMR changes to the rax, especially the grid. It will still be a fun, great looking, ship to fly, but it will no longer be a case of "crapping drones ftw."
Butter Dog	Posted - 2005.12.05 12:03:00 - [42] Yeah, I fly my overpowered Thorax a lot (8 heavy drones, 1600mm, 5x150mm rails) and I love it. But I accept it was simply too powerful. I'm going to use a Domi instead. I do have one question though - what exactly is the 'slight' plate penalty being introduced with RMR and will you still be able to fit it on cruisers or not?
RedWyvern	Posted - 2005.12.05 13:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Chronus26 5 heavy Neutrons? Unfortunaly it can barely fit 5 heavy ions... Rather disapointing really, but i guess im just used to the current power of the plate/light neutron/ drones setup... Yeah, I was disappointed by this too. :( Testing it on sisi, the only way to fit 5 med neutrons + MWD and nothing else is by using two rcu's (My char has engineering 5/adv upgrades 4). I tested it against someone in another thorax using a plate and med electrons. I died before I got halfway through his armour. Imo, a good yardstick for ship fittings should be that any ship should be able to fulfil a sinlge function without the use of upgrade mods - an mwd, my best guns, but no tanking whatsoever. Seems reasonable to me at least. -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2005.12.05 13:33:00 - [44] I remember over a year ago I had been playing for about 4-6 months. Full Minmatar flying RUpture and all. I trained the Thorax for a few days because it was an uber miner with its drones and slots for so many guns. I never could do that .2 in my Rupture, so I heard about the blasterrax and kitted it up. Not only did I enter that .2 and slaughter those rats with ease, while I was into armor and grabbing my loot I was assaulted by some pirate in a Stabber. In my present half-whooped state, I handled him easily. Also note, Rupture can not fit full rack of 720s + kit without power modules. /me welcomes the Thorax back to reality. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Godless123	Posted - 2005.12.05 15:50:00 - [45] I'm both a caldari and gallente pilot and i must say that as support cruiser or in 1v1 rax is effective right now, but i musta say that after the patch the rax, according to me will be really nerfed. U have to think that a rax to be effective needs to stay close to a ship, to web and scramble it, and right now, vs a caracal or any other ship it's not effective unless u are so lucky that u jump out from warp onto ur enemy nose, so that u have not to turn on mwd and beeing slashed by heavy missiles or even better by torps or cruisers. After the patch all this will remain, but it won't have the vantage of the drone bay and the 1600 mm armor plating. That means that, compared to a caracal or a bb it's really useless both in pvp and pve. This is my opinion, maybe i am wrong but that't my pov ;)
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.12.05 16:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Also note, Rupture can not fit full rack of 720s + kit without power modules. It can in RMR with engi 4 :) p - l - u - r
Shadrin	Posted - 2005.12.05 20:32:00 - [47] I think I need to try doing some PVP soon with my Thorax I haven't used in a while. Wheni was using it, I never recall it being such a bad ass. I never ROCKED people and got owned by a Rupture a couple times. But then again, I don't PVP and probably need to learn a few things about it. ------------------------------------ Shadrin Gemini Investment and Trading Company Making your money work for you.
Rigsta	Posted - 2005.12.05 20:54:00 - [48] Edited by: Rigsta on 05/12/2005 20:54:07 I was flying this supposed uber cruiser today, with the small guns, big plate setup. I went up against a Caracel. According to common opinion I should wtfpwn him with my small guns and 8 heavy drones. But guess what? he kept out of range of my guns and drones while showering missiles on me. I must file a petition. He was obviously hacking. He should have been DEAD. ----------------------------------------------- My Ideas: Drones wish list <-- 2 years old :O
Arti K	Posted - 2005.12.05 22:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Rigsta Edited by: Rigsta on 05/12/2005 20:54:07 I was flying this supposed uber cruiser today, with the small guns, big plate setup. I went up against a Caracel. According to common opinion I should wtfpwn him with my small guns and 8 heavy drones. But guess what? he kept out of range of my guns and drones while showering missiles on me. I must file a petition. He was obviously hacking. He should have been DEAD. Drone carriers with small guns generally don't work at long range. It has nothing to do with the ship, you just used it in the worst possible way. Seriously -- nothing dies to caracals anymore, it's just a myth.
dantes inferno	Posted - 2005.12.05 22:39:00 - [50] Quote: I was flying this supposed uber cruiser today, with the small guns, big plate setup. I went up against a Caracel. According to common opinion I should wtfpwn him with my small guns and 8 heavy drones. But guess what? he kept out of range of my guns and drones while showering missiles on me. I must file a petition. He was obviously hacking. He should have been DEAD. Thats just superior tactics..if u had a MWD fitted (if u did..he must of had one to..otherwise there is no way he could keep out of range) and had MWD up to him then u would of fried him very quick. When i fly around in a harpy there are only two cruisers im generaly worried about 1) a carcaral with light missiles (but in this case hes fitting a frig class weapon anyhow) 2) a thorax with its 8 heavys which can destroy you in secnods. also there is only one cruiser i fly in pvp..the thorax for simple reason the cookie cutter 150mm rail plate rax is very very effective..its gives me the armour of a tier 1 bs, the fire power of a BC and the a very good speed (the MWD bonus on the rax is very handy with this) what other Tier 1 cruiser do you know which can offer you all those things at the same time? as previosly stated the people complaining about the balancing of the rax are afraid of loosing their win button..or are truely clueless _____
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:04:00 - [51] Well, a small point to the thred, first year and a half the Thorax WAS the drone cruiser. Actually, it was the ONLY drone cruiser in game. But that's just a point to anyone trying to argue that the Thorax never was a drone cruiser, since they probably weren't playing back when crusiers had only one ship bonus. In either case, I'm still hoping the Thorax'll get a bit of CPU so I can fit cruiser sized guns larger than electrons on it. Or that they cut CPU usage of blasters in half. Apparently, when there's new patch notes I sound like I'm 4 years old on christmas EVE on TS.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:06:00 - [52] Why not try 5 Mediums? You know, the cruiser sized drones. ~General Sobeseki Pawi, HFS Razor's Kiss Strategic Commander, ISC Highguard Fleet Biomass fears me.
Darpz	Posted - 2005.12.05 23:09:00 - [53] been playing on test server with the new thorax, and with the weak drone/hybrid skills I got on the char on that server it handles all cruisers fine, and its useually a toss up on a maller.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.12.06 00:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Rigsta Edited by: Rigsta on 05/12/2005 20:54:07 I was flying this supposed uber cruiser today, with the small guns, big plate setup. I went up against a Caracel. According to common opinion I should wtfpwn him with my small guns and 8 heavy drones. But guess what? he kept out of range of my guns and drones while showering missiles on me. I must file a petition. He was obviously hacking. He should have been DEAD. If you didn't use a MWD that's your own fault. ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
Gary Goat	Posted - 2005.12.06 03:01:00 - [55] I'm actually looking forwrds to this change. No need to fly a deimos any more as i can fit almost the exact same setup on the rax. The pg increase was a significant boost as it now has only 60pg less then the deimos but 2 less slots to fill. Sure it has crap resistances but when i can buy 20 rax's for 1 deimos it doesnt really matter
Bulletproof Cupid	Posted - 2005.12.06 08:42:00 - [56] im amarr pilot but atm i fly thorax with medium pulse lasers instead of a maller, much bettre damage. -------------------------------------------------- PLACEBO I've always been an introvert, happily bleeding.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.12.06 10:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Rigsta Edited by: Rigsta on 05/12/2005 20:54:07 I was flying this supposed uber cruiser today, with the small guns, big plate setup. I went up against a Caracel. According to common opinion I should wtfpwn him with my small guns and 8 heavy drones. But guess what? he kept out of range of my guns and drones while showering missiles on me. I must file a petition. He was obviously hacking. He should have been DEAD. Yes file a Darwin petition. Remember to explain why you didnt use an MWD to land your drones on him. - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:58:00 - [58] Originally by: BlueOrca The only thing that the new RMR Thorax needs a decrease in mass and some more agility. I know that another slot would be just grate but SantaTuxford will not bring that this Christmas. It's called the Vigilant and post RMR it will stop being at the bottom of the pile in 'rax variants and will fill the middle slot. El Presedente Anti Pirate? Tired of sec hits? Join us for free wars!
Mathias Orsen	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:12:00 - [59] I agree with Taurez on that. The thorax is nothing more that the ship that every pirate spent years on researching for fittings.. It went from thorax, to blasterax, to the current platerax. I do agree that it is no better than the moa, maller, or rupture.. It's just that people have come up with the perfect fitting for it. It takes out a moa with ease for one reason... rax is close range and noone uses a blastermoa. A platerax would not even have the slightest chance against a properly equipped blastermoa. I can already imagine the unexperienced flames on that one. Moa with 4500 shields and speedy drone killing blasters leaves a thorax just waiting for it's destruction. Second is speed... what good is a blastermoa when the moa is much slower than the thorax?... Umm I think the thorax will come to you. The final result is that it is fact that noone uses a moa in PVP because everyone knows how to set a rax for pvp. Boils down to "take what works and use it". I am 100% pure gallente when it comes to ships... I have never used a thorax for pvp just for the fact that everyone knows what it is and how it's equipped. It lacks any suprise. Now just wait till all those thorax pilots have to adapt to the new changes... Your not gonna see less thoraxes in the hands of pirates.. your just gonna see more blasters. The new rax will be able to pack a very nice blastery punch too. Drones could be killed, blasters cannot.... Just my pure gallente, non complaining, view on the matter.
MILF2	Posted - 2005.12.06 12:52:00 - [60] Hmmm i still think there's no point in reducing the rax drone bay that much. Gallente are the drone kings, and now the rax hasn't a real reason to exist in the gallente side. It's just a normal cruiser nuttin more.

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