For missions, I have always used T1 ammo. My drones kill the small stuff and my missiles do the rest.

Rigors or Target Painter (or both) help close the gap with 'applied' damage.

Your question makes no sense when you can use all.

Depending on the situation it can add up in reload time.

Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye

Once you're using a CNR, it's T1 for everything up to the BCs, T2 Fury for the BS.

It is not what I said. There is a difference between "can" and "have to". You are wrong when you say it "can add up". Switching ammo "does add up".

Tip of the Day: Get your grammar right and with it will your reading comprehension improve.

You switch missiles to a matching damage type and the range and the target's hull size. For example, when you are shooting at a shield-tanked frigate might you want to use Inferno Precision, when the target is big and uses an armor tank might you want to use Nova Rage. If you are uncertain and have a bonus to Kinetic damage then CN Scourge might be best. When you want to use Precision, but the target is out of range for Precision do you use Faction missiles. ...

That is what you said.

And there is nothing wrong with it. It is a good advise.

Anything you want to ask me before I move on again?

I never asked anything but thanks. And I was not "correcting" your statement, I was clarifying it. Someone who is very new might take it literally to think they need to OMG change ammo for every type of rat they shoot, and it is important to understand all of the variables when deciding which ammo to load when.

Someone very new will not be thinking about T2 ammo, but I do get your point. Good catch. Someone with OCD might try and relapse.

Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye

Cruise Missiles were 'buffed' with Odyssey: so before you take advise from anyone find out if they have used them since those changes.

With good skills, a painter and T2 rigs... (against NPCs)

All type of Cruise Missiles will apply full damage to Battleships and Battle Cruisers. This makes the choice easy Fury as their damage is +20% greater than any other choice. Destroyers are very weak and are destroyed in one shot with Fury missiles.

For Frigates Precision will apply the most damage as both Fury and Faction missiles have significantly worse Explosion velocity and radius.

That leaves Cruisers which are mixed bag: some are slow and big while other are small and fast. Which missiles is best is really based on the individual type of ship and not the class.

So...
Battleships, Battle Cruisers, and Destroyer... use Fury.
Frigate... use Precision
Cruisers.... it depends.

Note: if you obtain a Raven Navy Issue then Fury Missiles are used for all ship classes accept Frigates. It is now that good.

Waste of isk.

Why is that?

You will find out when you check your wallet.

... Fury will do zip against anything other than battleships....

ok thanks for all the advice, but:
if you can choose only 1 type of ammo for belt ratting in 0.0 what would you use at the end? i have understand that 2 are better then faction right?
And about the price ? ar t2 more expensive then faction?
Thanks again
o7

That really isn't true.

My Navy Raven is setting right now with Fury that do 521.72 Damage per missile with an Explosion Radius of 108 m and a Explosion Velocity of 156.87 m/sec.

I still have a painter that can target the NPCs



Dire Guristas Inferno (Cruiser)
Orbit velocity: 160 m/s
Signature radius: 145 m

Hate to say this, but you... lied.

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How well do you think Furies will hit 100m sig 450 m/s speed Angel cruisers?

Did you count implants?

I run Angel Extravaganza including the bonus room with no issues. Are you having problems?

Which super implant reduces 173.5 m exp radius to 108, and where can I get some?]

Most of us don't hit cruisers with Furies.

Why not if it is the best choice?

Why not if it is the best choice?

How is hitting 100 m sig cruisers with 200 m exp radius Furies the best choice?

would use t1 or faction novas

I'm not even sure how you got your numbers....

Which Cruiser is that?

What missile would you choose? Also include a target painter for increase signature radius.

Big and slow
Arch Angel Centurion
Signature radius: 150 m
Orbit velocity: 200 m/s

Gistum Depredator
Sig: 100 m
Speed: 450 m/s

Gistum Marauder
Sig: 120
Speed: 450 m/s

Gistum Liquidator
Sig: 120
Speed: 450 m/s

etc... you know, common mission rats. A lot smaller than 200 m, don't you think? And they might... you know, move. Some ppl might even consider Precision or CN.

Even if you had one or more target painters?

Furies do 40% more raw damage than T1s, so wouldn't there have to be at a minimum a 40% reduction in Fury applied damage before T1s were the correct choice?

Aren't those max velocities and not orbital velocities? Does that make a difference?

Gistum Depredator
Signature radius: 100 m
Orbit velocity: 225 m/s

625 Shield 20% Resist
625 Armor 20% Resist
625 Hull

Note: this Cruiser is so weak that it is a one shot with any missile type.

On a ship that is already bonused for explosion radius I feel target painters are NOT worth the hassle just so you can make fury cruises hit for insignificantly more damage than regular cruise missiles even without a painter.

The 20% is only to Explosive. It's an Angel rat, it has weak explosive resist. The other 2 has 26% and 27%, what about them?

These are speeds. Or do you wait until they settle into 3km orbit to hit them?

I Going against the grain isn't "cool" it just makes you look dumb when someone else is doing it correctly and doing it better.

Depend on the situation. With Sansha Forlorn Hubs I generally concentrate on the Battleships and Battle Cruises first... by that time the little guys are close.

Angel Liquidator
Signature radius: 120 m
Orbit velocity: 225 m/s
Shield: 1700 27%
Armor: 1200 27%
Hull: 1300

5272 Effective (?)

I am looking at a Navy Raven volley strength of 8080 with Fury or 5776 with Precision.


Using a Target Painter... I am unsure but think the Precision would be one shot... the Fury not sure.

... it will pull away at normal speed until it reaches 40km. If you're on the move yourself, the rat will never settle down.

"Orbit Velocity" is a paper stat. When you hit any rat larger than frig, chances are, it will be moving at normal speed, not orbit velocity.

Well target painter on Navy Raven and Scorpions have been used by many for a long while.

To each his own.

Yeah and I don't understand it.

That is cool.

I don't see a normal speed. Are you saying this Cruiser will be traveling at its max speed? Missile select becomes moot at that speed.

Angel Marauder
Orbit velocity: 225 m/s
Max. Velocity: 1800 m/s

To give a practical example: with TWO target painters on that 120m sig radius cruiser....

Cruisers are interesting the bigger ones can be hit better with Fury while the smaller one less so. Destroyers are easy because even those they are smaller and faster than cruisers in most cases they are to weak to with stand one volley of Fury.

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=16896

It's 450 m/s. You should look in mission rats, not mwding belt rats.

By "bigger ones" I can only assume you're referring to BC rats instead of cruisers...

why do something worse when there's the option to do it better =S?

Hello guys,
i'm training for T2 cruise missile launcher but i don't know if is better to use faction cruise missile or t2 cruise missile on a raven with rigor rigs....
Let me know
Thanks
Bye

Your contention is they almost always travel at max speed? Not just when the approach? What I see in belt rats is the come in at max speed and the go to orbit speed... whether they are in orbit or not.

I am not sure, but in anomalies, Sansha Battleships, Battle Cruisers and Cruisers can't keep up with my Raven (afterburner). Even if they are 70-80 away.

In L4s spider Drones move very rapidly until they are close then slow down dramatically. It seems to me that Max Velocity is some type of approach speed that is turned of after... something... and then not turned back on. I could be wrong though.

Orbit Velocity: 225.0 m/s
Orbit Range: 17,625 m
Max. Velocity: 450 m/s

[ I don't know what's there to not understand.

You believe your way is better... good. Enjoy. If you don't like painters you don't have to use them... Eve is great.

Tell me, how much DPS your target painters add while shooting that BS rat?

Let us give the thread back to the OP.

Ok so people are talking about target painters which is something I would also like to clear up.

A PWNAGE painter has a cycle time of 10 seconds.

It has an optimal range of 45km.

A Navy raven is most likely going to be quite far away from it's targets, but for the sake of this particular point let's say all targets are within 45km.

another question:
Can i use 2 target painters at the same time on the same npc?

Why is that?

another question:
Can i use 2 target painters at the same time on the same npc?