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Magnus Orly Fula Gamla Gubbar 0	Posted - 2013.07.08 14:39:00 - [1] - Quote Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself...
Scarlett LaBlanc Midnight Savran Industries 6	Posted - 2013.07.08 14:45:00 - [2] - Quote Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 399	Posted - 2013.07.08 14:46:00 - [3] - Quote Scarlett LaBlanc wrote: Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. This. Just like the real police, their purpose is as a deterrent and as punishment, not as prevention. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2820	Posted - 2013.07.08 14:49:00 - [4] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Scarlett LaBlanc wrote: Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. This. Just like the real police, their purpose is as a deterrent and as punishment, not as prevention. When seconds count, Concord is only minutes away. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Rico Minali The Straw Men 1298	Posted - 2013.07.08 14:50:00 - [5] - Quote Scarlett LaBlanc wrote: Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. This. You are as likely to die in 0.9 as 0.5 if someone decides to gank you. Concord will assplode the aggressor just the same. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Karsa Egivand Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 235	Posted - 2013.07.08 14:51:00 - [6] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... The differences between 1.0 and 0.5 are rather small. Bad guy dies both times. Only difference is how many tier 3 battlecruisers or dessies they need to kill you first.
Six Six Six Blood and Decay 183	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:00:00 - [7] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... Your logic is flawed. I doubt you are a new player as you would more than likely be asking for CONCORD to be more effective in 0.5 systems. Instead your post comes over more like a tantrum. Yet the title of the thread sounds more like you're a low-sec gate-camper.
Kult Altol Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet 563	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:05:00 - [8] - Quote I think all space should be hi sec. One can dream. Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium. WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't pay for a product, you ARE the product.
Jarod Garamonde Action Bastards 288	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:21:00 - [9] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... Yeah? And Jove should be a player race, and they should look like "greys"... I guess "should" doesn't always work out, huh? HTFU, dude... you started your account in 2012. It's time to accept things, or give your toon and assets to someone else who can appreciate them. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 157	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:21:00 - [10] - Quote Only takes a quick scan of eve-kill to see he lost a Retriever in Saatuban, Pod too. So yes, this is a tantrum post rather than a well thought out idea. Magnus, don't take it so hard. EVE is a pretty unforgiving game, and you will get killed, a lot. The trick is, just don't worry so much about stuff. You get stuff, you lose stuff, that's EVE. If you find that you are getting ganked a lot, and moving to a different system doesn't help, then a different ship might. The Procurer is only a little less m3/hour but the mid slots mean it can be shield tanked out a lot more, making you a less attractive target. Only downside is you have to take more regular trips to the station to haul. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
Hessian Arcturus S.W.O.R.D. Navy 258	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:28:00 - [11] - Quote Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!! You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank... EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Elizabeth Aideron GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 65	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:47:00 - [12] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Only takes a quick scan of eve-kill to see he lost a Retriever in Saatuban, Pod too. So yes, this is a tantrum post rather than a well thought out idea. Magnus, don't take it so hard. EVE is a pretty unforgiving game, and you will get killed, a lot. The trick is, just don't worry so much about stuff. You get stuff, you lose stuff, that's EVE. If you find that you are getting ganked a lot, and moving to a different system doesn't help, then a different ship might. The Procurer is only a little less m3/hour but the mid slots mean it can be shield tanked out a lot more, making you a less attractive target. Only downside is you have to take more regular trips to the station to haul. all the rig slots were empty :cripes:
Felicity Love Interstellar Booty Hunters 728	Posted - 2013.07.08 15:52:00 - [13] - Quote Hey, took 4-5 years for rockets to be fixed... you better not be holding you breath until your face turns blue. But if you are, post pics. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Pitrolo Orti Caldari Provisions Caldari State 78	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:06:00 - [14] - Quote I can bath in these tasty tears for eternityy! Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Magnus Orly Fula Gamla Gubbar 0	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:09:00 - [15] - Quote Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires....
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 19204	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:11:00 - [16] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... This makes no sense. You want CONCORD. CONCORD is not in Low at all. Just what do you want ?
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 19204	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:12:00 - [17] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires.... Show me a T1 Rig appropriate for an Exhumer that costs more than 25,000,000..................... Stop exaggerating your situation and play the game, get a life, or go away.
Elizabeth Aideron GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 65	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:15:00 - [18] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires.... your strip miners were more expensive than most t1 rigs
Q 5 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 101	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:36:00 - [19] - Quote Ehm, carebear here, suggest you stay in 1.0 to 0.9 systems for faster Concord response AND fly a procurer (TANK IT)!!!! and you'll never have to be worried about getting ganked cause frankly if they do gank you they either dislike you or are looking for lol's cause I can tell you a tanked procurer (or even not) is not worth their time, me thinks it was for lol's AND you were hanging out in a system with sssssllllllllow Concorddonkin response time. Three words for you; Procurer Procurer Procurer
brinelan The Flying Dead Insidious Empire 51	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:00:00 - [20] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires.... Don't need to be a billionaire to buy a rig that is somewhere less then 25m each. Also, fit your mids with tank mods. Shield booster, resistance mods etc. Don't make yourself a target and most gankers will leave you alone and look for soft targets. and ya the other poster that said skiff is spot on. They are much tougher then a mack and while they mine less, its better then having to keep replacing expensive mackinaws because youre a soft target.
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 32	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:04:00 - [21] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires.... Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny.
Anke Eyrou Hades Sisters 27	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:11:00 - [22] - Quote If we change 0.5 to lowsec where do we stop then at 09 because that is what you are proposing I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
Magnus Orly Fula Gamla Gubbar 0	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote Manfred Hideous wrote: [quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Elizabeth Aideron] Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny. ...and takes two years to research? Anyway....what is MAPC and MSEII? ....you're virtually talking to a n00b here....at least from a fighting point of view....I tend to stay out of it....in-game at least....
brinelan The Flying Dead Insidious Empire 52	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:13:00 - [24] - Quote you could have trained for an extender rig in the time between you starting this post and now.
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 32	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:15:00 - [25] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Manfred Hideous wrote: [quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Elizabeth Aideron] Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny. ...and takes two years to research? Anyway....what is MAPC and MSEII? ....you're virtually talking to a n00b here....at least from a fighting point of view....I tend to stay out of it....in-game at least.... Research for what? You go to your local market, open ship modifications - rigs - shield - medium and buy the T1 core field extenders. No research involved but there is a little (really not much) training needed.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 19239	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:18:00 - [26] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: ...and takes two years to research? lol wut? Perhaps you should actually finish the tutorials and do a lot of reading up before continuing the game.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 19239	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:19:00 - [27] - Quote Manfred Hideous wrote: Magnus Orly wrote: Manfred Hideous wrote: [quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Elizabeth Aideron] Extender rigs run about 4Mil each (last time I checked a few weeks ago) MAPC and MSEII will set you back a few more. Worth every penny. ...and takes two years to research? Anyway....what is MAPC and MSEII? ....you're virtually talking to a n00b here....at least from a fighting point of view....I tend to stay out of it....in-game at least.... Research for what? You go to your local market, open ship modifications - rigs - shield - medium and buy the T1 core field extenders. No research involved but there is a little (really not much) training needed. ... and (IIRC) you can buy a rigged ship from someone else and the rigs would still work even if you can't fit them yourself. That's from my terrible memory, though so hopefully someone will help me out by confirming (or not). You can't stay out of fighting in Eve. Non Consensual PVP is at the very foundation of this game. No, they won't work without the training, but they will not 'evaporate' or anything.
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 33	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:23:00 - [28] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: [quote=Manfred Hideous][quote=Magnus Orly][quote=Manfred Hideous] No, they won't work without the training, but they will not 'evaporate' or anything. Thanks. I knew my crap memory would dunk me.
Sakiya Shiratori Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:23:00 - [29] - Quote Fit a damage control + tank rigs and you can survive a single T1 destroyer. Two destroyers will always kill a retriever though. Still, you are flying a 40m ship. Every haul gives you 5m worth of ore. You have to be ganked pretty often for it to start hurting. Just accept that you will be ganked for every 300-400m or so you earn. Or get a procurer/skiff, but I still belive it to be more economicly to just use a retriever/mach and accept the losses. It's your choice though.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 745	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:55:00 - [30] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... read the freaking wiki, there is nothing misleading and HTFU "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 955	Posted - 2013.07.08 18:05:00 - [31] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... Yeah they should also change everything lower than -3 to null space, low sec is a wasteland anyway no one would ever notice while what op is asking, yes. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band 725	Posted - 2013.07.08 18:27:00 - [32] - Quote Hessian Arcturus wrote: Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!! You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank... EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill... 1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit) if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary it's a specialised ship hull it's specialised in a non combat orientated role the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabisers that are fitted to combat role ships lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it.
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 33	Posted - 2013.07.08 18:41:00 - [33] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: Hessian Arcturus wrote: Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!! You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank... EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill... 1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit) if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary it's a specialised ship hull it's specialised in a non combat orientated role the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabilisers that are fitted to combat role ships lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it. Gotta disagree with you. I put a decent alt (not level 5's with imps) in a reti and asked one of the resident gankers to come by and blow it up in a .5 system. I was just curious if an MSEII and 3X extenders would survive in armor or structure. I did warn him I was testing tank, so he knew to bring the faction ammo and Meta4 guns. While I was hoping to get through in structure, he died while I was still in shields. I didn't even have repair costs. Of course, two cats would have nuked me but there were plenty of untanked retrievers in the area and no reason to gank the guy who bothered to make it less convenient. The retriever is SUPPOSED to be paper thin in the tradeoff with a large ore hold. That said, you can do plenty to make it more survivable.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK 22	Posted - 2013.07.08 18:47:00 - [34] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: When seconds count, Concord is only minutes away. Awesome! lol +1
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 4932	Posted - 2013.07.08 19:58:00 - [35] - Quote Stealth 'make areas between empire spaces lowsec' thread. Also potential 'make it easier to gank freighters going between market hubs' thread. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Setaceous Nexus Prima 170	Posted - 2013.07.08 20:29:00 - [36] - Quote A low skilled newbie in a Retriever in Lowsec? That's asking to be blown up, with minimal skills the Retriever takes forever to align, is slow (even by barge standards), has no tank and doesn't have the power to jump all the way across a large system. My advice; practice spamming the jump button once you hear the structure alarm and you might get away with your pod.
Daisai The Riot Formation Unclaimed. 114	Posted - 2013.07.08 20:37:00 - [37] - Quote http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18615045 Found it ^^
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 315	Posted - 2013.07.08 20:46:00 - [38] - Quote Wow, three destroyers + rats. Those 'Gankers' should feel bad for needing that many to gank a max yield retriever.
Plastic Psycho Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 57	Posted - 2013.07.08 20:53:00 - [39] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires.... Doesn't take billions. Takes thinking. I didn't gank you, but I can tell you if I'd been in local, I would've. Your fitting screams "Burn Me!" So start thinking. Start with a Procurer, and tank it like a be-yotch. Enjoy your relative freedom from ganks. You're still vulnerable, but there will most likely be tastier targets around. Open your eyes. Observe ganker behavior. Learn how to predict attacks. Learn how to not be there when the gank lands on-grid. IOW: Think, Du. It's not so hard as it sounds.
Obunagawe 174	Posted - 2013.07.08 21:30:00 - [40] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires.... Actually on the forums we kinda are.
Inokuma Yawara University of Caille Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.07.08 22:28:00 - [41] - Quote "They should change 0.5 to lowsec" NO Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development.
EvEa Deva State War Academy Caldari State 348	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:22:00 - [42] - Quote Just like real life Guy with a gun, cops take 20 mins to show up. Naked super model running around drunk, 30 seconds and they all show up.
WonkySplitDemon Red Dawn Mercenaries 20	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:30:00 - [43] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Scarlett LaBlanc wrote: Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. This. Just like the real police, their purpose is as a deterrent and as punishment, not as prevention. This isn't strictly true, a large part of policing is focused on crime prevention. The police do not provide consequences, that is for the courts to decide. Its far more cost efficient and better for society as a whole to prevent a crime before it has been committed than to punish the criminal after he has done his dirty deeds. In this respect one shouldn't think of CONCORD as the police at all, because they behave nothing like the real police. CONCORD are more of a militia group. Regardless, the OP lost a barge to gankers and is all pissy about it. Protip: Fit a tank, although this wont stop you being ganked (its entirely possible to gank a well tanked mack in 0.5 for example) It will lower the risk significantly especially if the system is full of other miners without one.
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 9852	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:36:00 - [44] - Quote WonkySplitDemon wrote: Regardless, the OP lost a barge to gankers and is all pissy about it. Protip: Fit a tank, although this wont stop you being ganked (its entirely possible to gank a well tanked mack in 0.5 for example) It will lower the risk significantly especially if the system is full of other miners without one. Good advice. If you make yourself hard to gank, you'll probably be passed over for those that haven't bothered. Unless of course you've made yourself a target by doing something daft. Why shouldn't we be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?
Carribean Queen Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty 20	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:41:00 - [45] - Quote http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330 you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it. ...End of line...
Hessian Arcturus S.W.O.R.D. Navy 258	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:42:00 - [46] - Quote Manfred Hideous wrote: Kitty Bear wrote: Hessian Arcturus wrote: Here's a thought...FIT...A...TANK!!! You carebears never learn from your mistakes do you? I bet you've bought a new ship, a new mining ship and are mining away. And I bet you still haven't fit a tank... EDIT: And don't say "I had a tank". Because I've seen the retriever and pod kill... 1 mid doesn't offer much in the way of tanking options if you put 1 med extender & 2 screen reinforcers in the rig slots, the tank is still pathetic (and only really any good against belt rats, and even then it's of dubious/negligable benefit) if you put a DCU & 2 Bulkheads into the lows, you still have a pathetic tank it doesn't have the capacitor for a shield booster it doesn't have the capacitor for an armour/hull repair module it doesn't have the cargo space for cap boosters to run an ancillary it's a specialised ship hull it's specialised in a non combat orientated role the mining laser upgrades are no different to heatsinks or gyrostabilisers that are fitted to combat role ships lets be honest ... if you saw a combat based fit that had no weapon upgrades fitted, you would call it a 'fail fit' and laugh at the person flying it. Gotta disagree with you. I put a decent alt (not level 5's with imps) in a reti and asked one of the resident gankers to come by and blow it up in a .5 system. I was just curious if an MSEII and 3X extenders would survive in armor or structure. I did warn him I was testing tank, so he knew to bring the faction ammo and Meta4 guns. While I was hoping to get through in structure, he died while I was still in shields. I didn't even have repair costs. Of course, two cats would have nuked me but there were plenty of untanked retrievers in the area and no reason to gank the guy who bothered to make it less convenient. The retriever is SUPPOSED to be paper thin in the tradeoff with a large ore hold. That said, you can do plenty to make it more survivable. I also disagree with you Kitty... Manfred is right but also not to mention, rig slots can help boost a tank which was empty. Plus implants you get implants that can also help boost a tank... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 33	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:45:00 - [47] - Quote Carribean Queen wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330 you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it. ...End of line... You seriously used that killmail to say tanking won't help? Did you even look at that fit?
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 9853	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:50:00 - [48] - Quote Carribean Queen wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330 you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it. ...End of line... That's not a tank, it was a killmail waiting to happen. Why shouldn't we be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 15408	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:53:00 - [49] - Quote Carribean Queen wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330 Not so much a suicide gank as euthanasia. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Elliavir Kid's Logistics Inc 39	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:57:00 - [50] - Quote I've been mining in a 0.5 system for a couple of years now... right next door to a high-traffic low-sec system full of folks who love to blow up miners. I've lost zero mining ships to date. Fly a Procurer. Tank it. Be the least attractive target in the belt.
Carribean Queen Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty 20	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:26:00 - [51] - Quote Manfred Hideous wrote: Carribean Queen wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330 you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it. ...End of line... You seriously used that killmail to say tanking won't help? Did you even look at that fit? That ship was afire long before the gankers showed. Compared to this - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17019363 that is what miners consider a 'tank'. The other Mack took 12k of damage, EHP as listed in the fitting window isn't accurate by any stretch. Actually reinforced bulkheads and a DCU2 would probably be the best tank for a mining barge. structure tank with 60% resists. The hull tanked one was burning down quite fast until we hit structure... it still died, but we had quite a few people too. The typical magic number is 7 to gank a 'tanked' Mackinaw. Hulk is 2. Retriever is 1 catalyst.
Elizabeth Aideron GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 71	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:34:00 - [52] - Quote Carribean Queen wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18596330 you can tank a Mackinaw, and it will still die in a fire. your best bet is going to be a procurer and tank the crap out of it. you can easily get one up over 50k EHP. Procurer/Skiff isn't anywhere near as squishy as the Mack/Ret/Hulk/Cov. So either find someplace safer to mine, or get a ship that has a real tank on it. ...End of line... all that and its ehp is still lower than an untanked skiff
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1987	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:39:00 - [53] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: No, they won't work without the training, but they will not 'evaporate' or anything. Correction: To install rigs requires appropriate skill. To benefit from installed rigs doesn't require any skill. You get the full bonus without any skill. However, you suffer the full amount of any drawback if you don't have the skill. Rigs that only require Rigging skill don't have any drawbacks.
Daimon Kaiera Kraken. 372	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:46:00 - [54] - Quote The system in which the OP was originally ganked made me curious and I decided to head out there. In the first belt to which I went, I noticed that Concord was already pre-spawned; being that this was a 0.5 system, the time I was given to gank would be the maximum possible. I barely got this kill. By barely, just as I got my last shot off I was blapped by Concord. I don't have the best skills for gunnery, and less so with the small hybrids, by I can be expected to get a maximum of ~6800 damage solo in a 0.5 system. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20063701 .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.
Trudeaux Margaret Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 14	Posted - 2013.07.09 01:54:00 - [55] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Elizabeth Aideron wrote: all the rig slots were empty :cripes: Well, we are not all billionaires.... Oh my god. Please. Look, you fly a Retriever. Retrievers are gank magnets because a) they are very un-tanky and b) unfortunately, a lot of miners who fly them seem to be like you, and by that, I mean, "free kill". May I give you a bit of advice? In future, do not mine in 0.5 systems. At all. Ever. The same rocks spawn in 0.6 systems so you have absolutely no reason to go to any 0.5 system. Leave the 0.5 systems to miners who know what they're doing.
Short Stack122 Knights Of The Chloroform 5	Posted - 2013.07.09 02:21:00 - [56] - Quote We should just make ALL of eve nullsec
Malcolm Shinhwa Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 74	Posted - 2013.07.09 03:11:00 - [57] - Quote A Retriever, regardless of how you tank it, will die in a 0.5 system if someone wants it dead. A max tank Retriever can't beat a single T2 catalyst. It can't beat 2 meta cats. Its my opinion, shared by almost no one if the systems and belts are consulted, that a Retriever has no business outside of 0.8 - 1.0 systems. OP would like to take any ship to .5 and have it survive a gank which is just silly. Thats why systems have different security levels in hisec: to tell you what the risks and rewards are likely to be. RISKS should be capitalized, so there, I just capitalized it. If you want to mine in a 0.5 system, use a Procurer. Fit the lows with the mining laser upgades. Fit the mids with shield extenders and invluns. Put shield extender rigs in. Make sure you turn the invuln(s) on when you undock. Mine all you like with no fear of being ganked. If you're heart is set on a Retriever and its mighty ore bay, then max yield it and hope you can make more isk between ganks to make it worth it; no amount of 'tank' will save it. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea.
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 682	Posted - 2013.07.09 03:19:00 - [58] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Scarlett LaBlanc wrote: Concord does NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. This. Just like the real police, their purpose is as a deterrent and as punishment, not as prevention. Err, what messed up country do you live in? I think you have been watching too much Judge Dredd. US police provide enforcement of the law, not punishment. Judges and juries dole out punishment. And a deterrent is a form of prevention. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Short Stack122 Knights Of The Chloroform 5	Posted - 2013.07.09 04:20:00 - [59] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: A Retriever, regardless of how you tank it, will die in a 0.5 system if someone wants it dead. A max tank Retriever can't beat a single T2 catalyst. It can't beat 2 meta cats. Its my opinion, shared by almost no one if the systems and belts are consulted, that a Retriever has no business outside of 0.8 - 1.0 systems. OP would like to take any ship to .5 and have it survive a gank which is just silly. Thats why systems have different security levels in hisec: to tell you what the risks and rewards are likely to be. RISKS should be capitalized, so there, I just capitalized it. If you want to mine in a 0.5 system, use a Procurer. Fit the lows with the mining laser upgades. Fit the mids with shield extenders and invluns. Put shield extender rigs in. Make sure you turn the invuln(s) on when you undock. Mine all you like with no fear of being ganked. If you're heart is set on a Retriever and its mighty ore bay, then max yield it and hope you can make more isk between ganks to make it worth it; no amount of 'tank' will save it. i havent been ganked all month... confirming that .5 systems dont = 100% gank rate daily....
BoSau Hotim Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 6096	Posted - 2013.07.09 04:32:00 - [60] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... My goodness, just WHAT did that Concord officer tell you when you joined EvE that he didn't tell me? Seems he must have mislead you when he said they were there just for you in high sec and that they would park their ships right next to yours to make sure it did not get hurt. This can happen in 1.0 space also - just to let you know. The best thing you can do for yourself right now is to learn that EvE is a harsh environment no matter what sec status you live in. IMO this is a PVP game first and foremost. PVP will come to you whether you want it to or not in many instances. It's a good thing to think of when you undock, and learn how to protect yourself. Learning about this game can be hard, but there are lots of places to get advice and help from. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken?
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 518	Posted - 2013.07.09 04:50:00 - [61] - Quote Here you go, OP. I'll spoon feed you. [Retriever, New Setup 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I It's cheap. It's low skill. It's 19k EHP Omni with Hull/Shield/Armor HP skills to V. It's not gank proof; nothing is, if it's wanted dead badly enough. It is, however, completely unattractive as a target compared to the untanked Retriever sitting next to you. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 9881	Posted - 2013.07.09 07:02:00 - [62] - Quote Domanique Altares wrote: A fit that turns your retriever into the ugly friend Just like in real life, the ugly friend gets hit on a lot less than the pretty one. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Jarod Garamonde Action Bastards 288	Posted - 2013.07.09 07:31:00 - [63] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... Yeah? And Jove should be a player race, and they should look like "greys"... I guess "should" doesn't always work out, huh? HTFU, dude... you started your account in 2012. It's time to accept things, or give your toon and assets to someone else who can appreciate them. ^ the only worthwhile post in this thread, except for people telling him to fit a tank. Also, aligning to something whilst you are murdering space rocks is always a good idea. That way the moment something starts targeting you, you're gone. But, I digress.... CCP seriously missed the boat when they didn't make Jove a straight-up alien race from the get-go, and attempt to subtly explain away "flying saucer" sightings on Earth for hundreds of years (Visitant, anyone?) Also, OP really does need to fit a tank, or at least point his spacerock killer at something that isn't rife with gankers out to kill you. I mean.... what miner hasn't heard of New Order? "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II
Atlantis Fuanan Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed 17	Posted - 2013.07.09 07:44:00 - [64] - Quote Kult Altol wrote: I think all space should be hi sec. One can dream. shiver What a nightmare that dream is
BoSau Hotim Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 6097	Posted - 2013.07.09 08:13:00 - [65] - Quote Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... Whoaaa there big fella.... You call yourself new when you've been in game over 1 year? ...and you whine and complain that you've been mislead? ...who mislead you? I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken?
Manfred Hideous TOHOKU 9.0 35	Posted - 2013.07.09 11:26:00 - [66] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: Jarod Garamonde wrote: Magnus Orly wrote: Concord is absolutely useless there and it is misleading to new players like myself... Yeah? And Jove should be a player race, and they should look like "greys"... I guess "should" doesn't always work out, huh? HTFU, dude... you started your account in 2012. It's time to accept things, or give your toon and assets to someone else who can appreciate them. ^ the only worthwhile post in this thread, except for people telling him to fit a tank. Also, aligning to something whilst you are murdering space rocks is always a good idea. That way the moment something starts targeting you, you're gone. But, I digress.... CCP seriously missed the boat when they didn't make Jove a straight-up alien race from the get-go, and attempt to subtly explain away "flying saucer" sightings on Earth for hundreds of years (Visitant, anyone?) Also, OP really does need to fit a tank, or at least point his spacerock killer at something that isn't rife with gankers out to kill you. I mean.... what miner hasn't heard of New Order? Honestly, threads like this make me wonder if I shouldn't take up killing clueless miners who fit no tank. There seem to be quite a few people that think bitching in forums is better than making themselves less a target.

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