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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:06:00 -
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I am a solo miner (real life consraints and all that) but I do have the ability to get to New Eden a couple of times a day for small stints. At the moment mining suits this because of the very nature of my free time and I can't be relied on to join a Corp because I can't guarantee to on at any particular time.
So, rather than having to endure the brain numbing 'excitement' (it says here on the Come Mining! recruitment leaflet that I have) I wonder if Planetary Interaction is still valid and whether a solo pilot could get on with PI in HiSec.
If so, does anyone know if the Eve University wiki is up to date and how much can a pilot expect to earn in HiSec space?
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥
- Nicholas Culpeper |
Q 5
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:24:00 -
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It is an ok source of income, the best way to maximize that passive income is to train all your alts in PI as well and train them all to atleast to lvl 4, having them all running PI at the same time but only problem is you have to log out to do the next alt when you go collect your PI material. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.10 16:29:00 -
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Thanks for the reply. So having three lots of PI going on...
That makes sense because if I can't find time to use my other pilots for exploration or PvP then use them all for PI.
I shall start reading some guides and then work out where to go.
Thanks once again.
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥
- Nicholas Culpeper |
Govind
Parity Labs
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:05:00 -
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By the way, doing PI in low-sec for a solo player with limited time is viable as well. If you are super paranoid or need to AFK unexpectedly a covert ops cloaked transport ship like the Viator makes low-sec travel safe from all but the most dense gate camps. Using roughly 24 hour extraction programs you'll probably only need to physically visit the customs offices once a week or so. |
F0X 2
Armistice Frankologies
0
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:16:00 -
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How do you only physically visit them once a week? Do you just keep launching into the PI stuff into the customs office and scoop it at the end of the week? |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:20:00 -
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My question as well; I had the impression that the pilot has to be there to do the launching and stuff.
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥
- Nicholas Culpeper |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
450
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:26:00 -
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The command centre has a decent storage. Depending on how much you extract, what level you make it up to, that storage may be enough for several days, if you add a storage facility or two, then you can store all that much more between pickups. Does depend on the volumes you're processing though.
To launch to a customs office, you have to be undocked in system. You don't have to be on-grid with the customs office, just in the same system. Obviously you have to be at the customs office to pick the stuff up. |
Govind
Parity Labs
18
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:16:00 -
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(Hopefully I have my terminology correct. I'm treating P0 as the raw material that gets extracted.)
On a given planet I'm generally producing one or two P2 goods to help compress things. If I'm making two P2 goods then both will have a P1 good in common. My extractors feed into a launchpad or silo which supplies the P1 factories the output of which goes back into the silo. From there the P1 is manufactured into P2 and placed into a separate launchpad.
If you are doing programs a lot shorter than 24 hours obviously your volumes could be high enough to make this impractical.
Every week I haul from my P2 planets to my manufacturing planet with makes a single P2 product as well as combine everything into P4 that I ship back home to sell.
It's also possible that I am not doing this efficiently or have terrible planets and don't realize my volume of goods is terrible lol. My original goal when I set up my planets was to see if a single character could make P4 from scratch. It could be more efficient to dedicate a single planet to a single P2 product as that would reduce the overhead of having so many factory and extractor types. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
14
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Posted - 2013.07.12 06:46:00 -
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Even in a WH (which have great PI) if you are doing P2 efficiently you can go for a fair while without having to launch stuff.
One launch pad can hold about 6000 P2 I believe and 3 advanced factories (6 basic to keep them fed) can produce 360 units per day so in principle you can go for 16days without picking it up. In reality you need space for P0 and P1 but a week is pretty realistic.
Also to be very efficient you need your own customs offices or at least access to ones with a very low tax. I often more excess P0 and P1 from great planets to the worse planets in my WH to keep all the factories going but this is a bad idea in HS or with high tax as you might as well sell the stuff and not pay tax 3 times (export - import - export). |
Eric Raeder
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
48
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Posted - 2013.07.12 07:04:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
If so, does anyone know if the Eve University wiki is up to date and how much can a pilot expect to earn in HiSec space?
The Eve University wiki is up to date. A couple of pages have notes about needing cleanup or improvement, don't let them throw you, the information is accurate. I consider the Eve Uni wiki my PI bible.
I also like to use http://www.hst-soft.de/korai/Eve_PI_Diagrams_v1_4.pdf, a nice PDF with a series of charts that show the relationship between higher order products and the lower order materials needed to make them.
There are youtube videos out there if you want to google them, but I am an old fart who prefers to get information via reading rather than watching videos.
How much you can earn in PI varies a lot, depending what you are making, how well optimized your system is, how much time you spend at it, and where your planets are. Highsec has relatively poor extractor draw rates and hefty taxes at the concord customs offices. However, within highsec, draw rates average a little higher at the lower sec status systems, i.e. 0.5 and 0.6 rather than 0.8 and 0.9 . If you have a good setup and update things often, you can make around 0.5-0.75 million isk per planet per day in highsec. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
293
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:04:00 -
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Thanks for all the kind replies.
I too am a person who loves to read information, scribble notes onto printouts rather than listen to YouTube videos.
Time to do some more reading and even if the amount generated in HiSec isn't great I may do one planet to get to grips with it and then look for somewhere more, er, interesting.
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥
- Nicholas Culpeper |
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:14:00 -
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For me personally in high sec I use pure factory planets. I can get 18-20 factories to make P2/P3 items on (small worlds are best but also better ot be all in 1 or 2 systems next to eachother).
Personally I make between 1.5 - 2.4 million ISK per planet depending on what that planet is making (I have them spread to cover several products to make sale easier and for personal use/construction for more profit). Having one character working like this with 5 planets (you need IC 4 and CCU4 to do this usually) making 2 million per day you will earn 300 million a month. now that's not entirely realistic as PI materials are expensive, sometimes the markets crash out and you have to sit on products etc, so I personally bank on 200 mill per 5 planet character per month.
now all my characters on my accounts can do this, but I am usually lazy and forget them for a few days or cannot be bothered etc but it's a pretty decent income once set up. Setting it up is a pain though, very click intensive. |
Felicity Love
Interstellar Booty Hunters
745
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:47:00 -
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Once you've got the knack of it in High Sec, you should consider doing PI in low-end Low Sec (0.1's, 0.2's) or joining a corp that has WH access.
Hi Sec planets are, by design and working as intended, very low income for PI. Aka, "crap".
A little more risk in more dangerous space will improve your PI revenues significantly.
It's your choice.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
20790
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:22:00 -
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Descent income from PI doesn't really happen unless done in .2 systems and below.
Use Blockade Runners for pickup, and never get caught. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
Black Core Alliance
1054
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:34:00 -
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I would also suggest low sec if you can get good offices. High sec returns and taxes make it not worth the trouble for me. I do all my pi in null but on my hi sec alts I dropped it altogether.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
293
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:03:00 -
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Thanks ever so much. I have tried shoving down my first colony and this is going to be a HiSec test. I expect that this will be deleted when I learn more.
But at the moment I have found somewhere which has two R0 resources which each can make P1 and then can be merged into P2.
I have two pairs of extractors now and I will see what happens. I will see if my routing is set up right. I had tried to set up more extractors but I ran out of Control Centre resources, so for the time being I am going to see what happens and learn how to make the outpost more efficient.
If I may be so bold, it's like making a Brio railway network, isn't it?
One question, if I may, how do I determine what planets are in the system and which is which? And if I may be permitted a further question; can one land Products onto a planet so that I can make some P2 on Plugh-1, some other P2 on Plugh-2 and then merge them on Foobar-3?
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥
- Nicholas Culpeper |
Eric Raeder
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
51
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Posted - 2013.07.14 21:14:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
One question, if I may, how do I determine what planets are in the system and which is which? And if I may be permitted a further question; can one land Products onto a planet so that I can make some P2 on Plugh-1, some other P2 on Plugh-2 and then merge them on Foobar-3?
I like to use http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ to locate planets. If you open a region map in dotlan, you can set up a filter that shows all the planets of a specific type within a region. Or if you click on a system and click celestials it shows you all the planets in the system. But details matter. Once I decide on an approximate location for a colony I fly there and run scans of all the nearby planets (within 1 jump more or less) that can provide the raw material I am interested in, and put my colony(s) down on the one(s) with the longest bar(s) in the scan display. I also look for low tax customs offices, I have not yet found a way to examine a customs office's tax rate without visiting the system.
Extracting raw materials on some planets, processing them up to P1 or P2 and then transferring them to a specialist factory planet for final assembly is a common tactic. To import materials to a factory planet the colony must have a lauchpad and the planet must have a customs office in orbit. Exporting materials from an extraction planet is generally also best done through a launchpad/customs office combination, but if you have a lot of time and patience you can launch stuff off-planet with your command center. |
Govind
Parity Labs
18
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Posted - 2013.07.16 17:10:00 -
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Eric Raeder wrote:I like to use http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ to locate planets. If you open a region map in dotlan, you can set up a filter that shows all the planets of a specific type within a region.
There is also a filter in the in-game star map that lets you show systems by the type of planet you are interested in. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
295
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Posted - 2013.07.20 11:10:00 -
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Thanks for the messages.
I have been bashing spreadsheets this morning and yesterday and have decided that PI in HiSec is only viable is one is running a series of factory planets. But they are quite viable indeed if one chooses the right product.
Otherwise it will be LoSec stuff which is only viable from lower taxes.
I've worked out my HiSec angles and can work on them for the next month or two and then push on with the LoSec stuff.
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥
- Nicholas Culpeper |
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